Naval and Defense News

[Triode]

First three new jammers Il-22PP "Porubschik" based on Il-18

[Triode]

oops repost , sorry

[Hongjian]

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... -soon.html

China to Start Construction on 1st Type 075 LHD Amphibious Assault Ship for PLAN Soon

[Hongjian]

PLA Army took the FK-3 SAM and now named it HQ-22

HQ-22 medium range SAM displays on Zhuhai Airshow 2016. When a system receives the "HQ" ("Hong Qi" = Red Flag) designation, it is officially a deployed system.

As I understand, the evolution was basically like: HQ-2 (S-75 Dvina) -> HQ-12 -> HQ-22

Why would the PLA want a 2nd medium range SAM when they already have the HQ-16/B? Because of the ceiling of 27km. The HQ-16/B has 18k-20km ceiling. Also, range increase from 50/70km to 100km.




stats:

[Hongjian]

J-20 is now officially declassified [:D]

http://www.china.org.cn/china/2016-10/2 ... 588563.htm

J-20 stealth fighter confirmed for China air show

The People's Liberation Army Air Force will demonstrate its latest J-20 stealth fighter jet at an arms show next week, Senior Colonel Shen Jinke, PLA Air Force spokesman, said at a news conference on Friday morning.

"The J-20 was designed by our aircraft researchers for future aerial combat. Test pilots from the Air Force will use it to perform at the 11th China International Aviation and Aerospace Exhibition," Shen said.

The biennial six-day event, commonly known as the Zhuhai Air Show, starts on Tuesday in the coastal city of Zhuhai, in South China's Guangdong province.

China conducted the maiden flight of the J-20 in January 2011 and has produced 10 prototypes. It is believed to be the third stealth fighter jet to enter service following the United States' F-22 Raptor and F-35 Lightning II stealth warplanes.

This is the first time the Chinese military has confirmed the existence of the J-20, which was developed and made by Aviation Industry Corp of China.

[Hongjian]

YJ-12 for export, designated CM-302.

CM-302 seems to be different from the YJ-12 in as much that its booster stage is integrated/non-removable, bringing the missile's length to well over 8m. The YJ-12 deployed by the PLA is estimated to be 6.3 meters, with the booster-stage removable.

Thrust-vectoring-control is now confirmed (which is a rare thing for a cruise missile), that would support the rumored high-G evasive capability of the YJ-12/CM-302.




PLAN deployed YJ-12 for comparisson; no integrated booster:

[Gneckes]

What might be the reason for integrating the booster on the export version? Easier maintenance for foreign customers maybe?

[Hongjian]

ORIGINAL: Gneckes

What might be the reason for integrating the booster on the export version? Easier maintenance for foreign customers maybe?

Good ideas. I would think so too.

Have to wait for the info in the placard to be revealed.

[Hongjian]

M-20/DF-12 "Sino-Iskander" at the Airshow.

Finally a clear look at that weapon.

Suppossedly, it can perform evasive maneuvers (pull up maneuvers) to defeat ABM:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40hMBjle9WU

[Hongjian]

New long range naval SAM successfully tested onboard a PLAn test ship. Seems to be cold-launched.
From a recent TV news report:
http://tv.cctv.com/2016/10/27/VIDE6Kr4Y ... 1027.shtml






It is said that this SAM will be equipped on the Type 055 Cruiser only, as it needs the full 9m deep VLS variant.

Seeing the fuzzy pictures; it makes sense. The booster-stage looks big. Bigger in relation to the missile's body than it is even on the SM-3...

Shape wise, I can make out some sort of mid-body fins that makes it look like the USN Standard Missile series.

Could be the long rumored HQ-8 ultra long range SAM, which was only known from papers so far...

[Broncepulido]

What's in the images the test-launching ship launching suppossed HQ-8?

[Hongjian]

ORIGINAL: Broncepulido

What's in the images the test-launching ship launching suppossed HQ-8?

Well, the super large booster stage initially made me think that this could be the sea-borne ABM system that was rumored to be under development. But comparing it to the booster of the SM-3, which does not take almost 90% of the missile's size like that new mystery missile, makes me think that such a large booster might be excessive for an ABM missile - after all, the missile "only" needs to get into low earth orbit. Afterwards, you dont need boosters or traditional rocket engines anymore for exoatmospheric flight and intercept.

But such a super large booster might be useful if you want to have a really really long range for intercepts within the atmosphere... And the only project that we know that would fit the bill would be the HQ-8 ultra long range SAM, which is suppossed to have up to 500km range while maintaining an average speed of Mach 4 all around.

In the paper for the long range SAM, a graph describes that the missile utilizes a trajectory where it will first climb to 40km altitude before descending back into atmosphere to intercept some target that is 500km away flying at 15km altitude. For such a flight profile one probably need such a booster.

[Broncepulido]

Great explanation, thanks Hongjian.

[Broncepulido]

Interesting article in modern naval radars: http://www.academia.edu/20424662/Wavefo ... _the_Waves

[Hongjian]

Footage of the new SAM testing at 7:48

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3utQdH3JJB8

Also, it seems like a surface launched YJ-12 or CM-302 with added booster was tested in that same instance (7:50).

For that, a clearer picture exists:



EDIT:

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... ealed.html

Navy Reco has added it.

Looks like the surface launched YJ-12 is called YJ-12A.

They give the dimensions as following:

"Finally the missile would be about 6,3 meters long with a diameter below 0,756 meters."

Probably for the shorter air-launched one.

[mikmykWS]

We've gotten a flood of new things to add to the db as of late but will need to sort out the details.

Mike

[Hongjian]

ORIGINAL: mikmyk

We've gotten a flood of new things to add to the db as of late but will need to sort out the details.

Mike

Note that I'm not typically making requests in the Naval and Defense thread, as these are only news, clues and rumors.

When their deployment status have been confirmed in one form or another, I'd do a seperate request in the DB3000.

[Tailhook]

ATACMS to get anti-ship capabilities

WASHINGTON — The Strategic Capabilities Office believes it can upgrade the Army Tactical Missile System (ATACMS) weapon to allow it to strike moving targets on both land and water, Pentagon officials announced Friday.

The program is under the purview of the Strategic Capabilities Office (SCO), which has also apparently advanced swarming drone technologies for both the air and sea domains, although details on just what that advancement is remains unclear.

Speaking at the Center for Strategic and International Studies’ forum on the third offset, Secretary of Defense Ash Carter was the first to mention the ATACMS upgrade.

“By integrating an existing seeker onto the front of the missile, they’re enabling it to hit moving targets, both on land and at sea,” Carter said. “With this capability, what was previously an Army surface-to-surface missile system can project power from coastal locations up to 300 kilometers into the maritime domain.”

...

He added that the program has been underway for more than a year and is probably still a year away from testing. How much that testing costs will depend on how many live shots the Army desires, Roper noted. He also acknowledged that the idea for the program was partly related to concerns about using weapons in GPS-denied locations.

“Right now, GPS is a singular option for many of our weapons. In the future I want to try and make every weapon have multiple options to get to the end game, and having a seeker is a secondary way to do that aside from GPS,” he said.

...

“You just don’t talk about your best capabilities, plain and simple. So one of the things we have to remember, which we did well in the Cold War, is having a good balance about the capabilities we show to the world for deterrence” versus what is kept hidden, he said. “We are keeping our best ideas behind the door, and probably always will, because what we owe to our future operators is an unfair fight.”

That is in comparison for why Carter decided to bring the ATACMS program, still in a fairly early stage, to light. With the Army program, Roper noted that several top officials, including Chief of Staff Gen. Mark Milley and US Pacific Command head Adm. Harry Harris had expressed the belief that the Army need to be able to provide cross-domain fires in the future. "

[Hongjian]

Oh man.

Pretty ironical. Werent they suppossed to be a bad idea just yesterday?

[Dysta]

J-20 x2 acrobatics @ Zhuhai Air Show 2016

https://youtu.be/30uk2vDfaL0

Update: 720p footage by observers:

https://youtu.be/YluqLUJ1OmE