Andy Mac v PZB This time India will Stand !!!!

[Heeward]

"Next time I attack I am spreading out I will put pressure on in Burma in Sumatra, in DEI, in NG, in CENTPAC but I am not committing to a fight with KB unless I have 3:1 advantage given what happened to my CAP I have zero faith in it"

How long will it take you to build this superiority? Meanwhile what can your opponent be doing?
How are you going to put pressure on Sumatra / DEI / CENTPAC without commiting your fleet?

When I finally looked at the map - I immediately thought Boyo Andy has his fangs out and throat extended on the block. And PZB brought out his axe, as well as his sword, mace and pocket guillotine. Then I saw your land battle - He had six and a third divisions there - literally a reinforced army. You landed elements of six divisions - without significant armored support. Not even 1 to 1 odds and your coming across the beach on surf boards and rubber duckies. I suspect that if had done a shock attack on the second day you would have lost the lot. Can you say tip over the foogas and drop the match?

Your foe has four mobile tools - How are you going to render them ineffective
1. CV force and /or trained pilot pool.
2. Land Base Air and/ or trained pilot pool.
3. Surface Combat Forces - I cringed at your cruiser vs his battleships engagements.
4. Air Transport of Land Forces.

Burma gives you an Air / Land battle - directly targeting number 2 on the list, and with poor planning on his part #4.
Your Naval Forces must be committed only under the protection and reconnaissance of Land Based Air, or in short term smash and grab operations with the objective of destroying enemy units.

Sit back and consider your strategic objective?
Operationally How are you going to accomplish this?

Last thoughts - before your garrison falls at Warangai - swap out the competent leaders.

[Andy Mac]

6 months or more - this is not going to be quick.

When all my cripples are repaired I will have carrier parity at about 900 aircraft

Over the next 6 months I recieve about 40 Escort Carriers (1200 aircraft)
Maybe 4 or 5 CV's - 450 Aircraft
Several CVL's say another 150.

So by mid 44 I will have about 2,700 carrier aircraft v maybe 1,300 of his.

My plan such as it is is to put pressure on him at Ramree Island on the burma coast, at Schwebo in North Burma, at Bhamo in north Burma and finaly if I see an opportunity at the Andaman Islands - altough this will be only considered if I see evidence of major committment to Pacific.

Did I make mistakes at Warangai - yes fully accept that but I was about to fix them by landing a lot of force on Roti and Koepang and my carriers were there to either pick of battleships or go toe to toe with KB in the prospect that I would win.

BUT it didnt happen cest la vie my pilots were ok my escorts were heavy no LBA intervened so it was a straight CV v CV battle and lost.

Fair play to PZB but when I lost I had to abandon the invasion of Koepang and Roti - I should have kept the carriers as close support for the invasion but chose not to and then we all know what happened

[traskott]

Well, although overall the campaign has been a fiasco, the chance of been able to pull out all those squads have been like Dunkirk to Churchill: You still have enough masse to be able to attack... 

[Andy Mac]

had a few weird ones last few days

Lost Barnes she had 28 Hellcats on board on CAP but LR Nells killed her with no cap not sure why

Warangai held on for two more days.

End result of my evac is I lost about 20,000 men.

2nd Aus (60%)
7th Aus (90%)
7th US (45%)
33rd US (52%)
11th East African (66%)
73rd Motorised Bde (64%)

Overall I got out about 2/3 of the combat troops with large numbers of disabled squads coming out on the last two days.

All formations will be ready in a few months so I ill prep them for somewhere in NG probably.

Not going to call the evac a susccess as the whole campaign has been a fiasco.

Next moves are firming up

1. Advance into NG Merauke/Terapo/PM probably
2. Start an attritional battle in Burma
3. Start hitting Ramree and Andaman Islands to make PZB think I am heading that way

[beppi]

ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

had a few weird ones last few days

Lost Barnes she had 28 Hellcats on board on CAP but LR Nells killed her with no cap not sure why

Warangai held on for two more days.

End result of my evac is I lost about 20,000 men.

2nd Aus (60%)
7th Aus (90%)
7th US (45%)
33rd US (52%)
11th East African (66%)
73rd Motorised Bde (64%)

Overall I got out about 2/3 of the combat troops with large numbers of disabled squads coming out on the last two days.

All formations will be ready in a few months so I ill prep them for somewhere in NG probably.

Not going to call the evac a susccess as the whole campaign has been a fiasco.

Next moves are firming up

1. Advance into NG Merauke/Terapo/PM probably
2. Start an attritional battle in Burma
3. Start hitting Ramree and Andaman Islands to make PZB think I am heading that way

28 looks like a replacement squad. Replacements squads do not fly CAP even if the CVE is not overloaded, if you want to use the replacement carriers in combat, remove the replacement squads and put marine fighter squads on the carriers.

[Andy Mac]

Hmm are you sure they flew CAP in stock WITP if not overloaded (yes it was a replacement group)

If they no longer fly CAP then it was my own fault as I assumed this was the same as stock

[beppi]

ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

Hmm are you sure they flew CAP in stock WITP if not overloaded (yes it was a replacement group)

If they no longer fly CAP then it was my own fault as I assumed this was the same as stock

No i am not 100% sure, would have to conduct some testing or if anyone knows for sure possible he can comment. I just remember i tried it a year or so ago and they failed to fly. Never tried it again since then.

[Andy Mac]

ouch ok then its my own fault waste of a CVE - in WITP they did fly CAP mission

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: beppi

ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

had a few weird ones last few days

Lost Barnes she had 28 Hellcats on board on CAP but LR Nells killed her with no cap not sure why

Warangai held on for two more days.

End result of my evac is I lost about 20,000 men.

2nd Aus (60%)
7th Aus (90%)
7th US (45%)
33rd US (52%)
11th East African (66%)
73rd Motorised Bde (64%)

Overall I got out about 2/3 of the combat troops with large numbers of disabled squads coming out on the last two days.

All formations will be ready in a few months so I ill prep them for somewhere in NG probably.

Not going to call the evac a susccess as the whole campaign has been a fiasco.

Next moves are firming up

1. Advance into NG Merauke/Terapo/PM probably
2. Start an attritional battle in Burma
3. Start hitting Ramree and Andaman Islands to make PZB think I am heading that way

28 looks like a replacement squad. Replacements squads do not fly CAP even if the CVE is not overloaded, if you want to use the replacement carriers in combat, remove the replacement squads and put marine fighter squads on the carriers.

replacement squads do fly CAP, escort, sweep just like every other squadron does. I´ve got plenty of VR squadrons in use and all of them work, so the same should apply for British squadrons. Didn´t even know they had replacement squadrons.

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

Hmm are you sure they flew CAP in stock WITP if not overloaded (yes it was a replacement group)

If they no longer fly CAP then it was my own fault as I assumed this was the same as stock

they fly just fine in my version of AE which is running the latest official patch. Either it was a bug or you have screwed up a setting. My AAR is full of combat reports that show VR squadrons on Cap. They also fly sweeps and escort missions.

edit:

here´s an example I found within a minute from my AAR, guess this says more than my words [;)]

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR May 26, 44
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Morning Air attack on Kudat , at 69,86

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 21 NM, estimated altitude 42,500 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 26



Allied aircraft
Hellcat I x 12
F6F-3 Hellcat x 126


Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 9 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hellcat I: 2 destroyed



CAP engaged:
No.1839 Sqn FAA with Hellcat I (0 airborne, 10 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 15000 and 38800.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 18 minutes
VC(F)-21 with F6F-3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 7 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 15000 and 38800.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 14 minutes
VC(F)-39 with F6F-3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 34000 and 35000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 35 minutes
VC(F)-41 with F6F-3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 15000 and 38800.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 16 minutes
VC(F)-65 with F6F-3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters to 38800.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 17 minutes
VOC(F)-1 with F6F-3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters to 38800.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 15 minutes
VC(F)-3 with F6F-3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 15000 and 38800.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 9 minutes
VC(F)-4 with F6F-3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 15000 and 38800.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 35 minutes
VC(F)-5 with F6F-3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters to 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 15 minutes
VRF-2F with F6F-3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 12 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 37000 and 38800.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 10 minutes
VRF-4F with F6F-3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 12 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 38000 and 38800.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 11 minutes
VRF-6F with F6F-3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 12 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 32000 and 38800.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 14 minutes
VRF-7F with F6F-3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 11 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 15000 and 38800.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 15 minutes

[traskott]

Andy, check in a previous save. Perhaps, as it was replacement sqn, you had filled it onto 54 warplanes, making the unit unable to fly.

[Andy Mac]

Nope it was at 28 I did check

[Andy Mac]

Thank Castor - I will put it down to the pilots all being hungover as the escort was three 'wet' RN ships cest la vie bad luck seems to be hitting me a lot.
But as my old pappy used to say the more you screw up the more bad luck you get

[Andy Mac]

Goin to need to stop posting for a little while I am so irritated

Read PZB's AAR to find out why.

2 turns from map edge in middle of nowhere far south off the perth to map edge PZB pops up with KB having waltzed past my sub and surface pickets undetected because of a pinpoint accurate sinking report for a BB that was undamaged led KB right to my TF.

PZB did nothing wrong I dont think I did anything wrong but it lost me 2 carriers and 3 BB's because the game pinpointed my location for PZB

[traskott]

Puffff........

Well... I have absoluty no words, but hurry up.

[GreyJoy]

Tide will change eventually. Luck cannot be one-sided forever.

keep it up

[beppi]

ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

Goin to need to stop posting for a little while I am so irritated

Read PZB's AAR to find out why.

2 turns from map edge in middle of nowhere far south off the perth to map edge PZB pops up with KB having waltzed past my sub and surface pickets undetected because of a pinpoint accurate sinking report for a BB that was undamaged led KB right to my TF.

PZB did nothing wrong I dont think I did anything wrong but it lost me 2 carriers and 3 BB's because the game pinpointed my location for PZB

Some things can be seen as bad play but this was a clear case of very bad luck. Hard to accept but sometimes the gods (or the engine) of war have their planning.

[Andy Mac]

Numerous small low risk attacks in preparation

[aprezto]

Andy;
 
Hats are off to you my partner-in-pain, he's giving me a nasty shallacking too. 4 allied CVs lost, NZ with bolstered land support lost. Fiji lost with 23 units on it - he landed with 145K men!!! Why did the allies wait so long for D-Day?? Japan could do it in late 42.
 
Anyway, the point is that it is painful playing him. He doesn't miss much, and seems to get a decent slice of luck with his endeavours. Despite the pain you are suffering I do admire your grit and it helps me continue to resist him. Keep on swinging.
 

[Andy Mac]

Ouch

Generally he had no luck against me in last game in this one he has had lots but defacto I messed up as well

Burma Corps 4 small operations are possible in Arakan/Assam both sides of the Chindwin and out of China
DEI attack NW or NE out of Darwin/Port Hedland but not deep strikes
East Austrlia into PM/NG
SOPAC into Solomons
SOPAC into small islands north of Fiji
CENTPAC into Marquesas/Line Ilsands or Midway

So lots of options