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[Gneckes]

Hmmm, two AAMs on the strike loadout?

[kevinkins]

Thanks for the clarification Mike. It gave me a chance to look into the Gefest SVP-24, its stated cost advantages and possible targeting issues.

[Gneckes]

Am I right to assume the SVP-24 is a GPS/INS navigation system similar to what's been in use aboard US aircraft for a while?

[mikmykWS]

ORIGINAL: Gneckes

Am I right to assume the SVP-24 is a GPS/INS navigation system similar to what's been in use aboard US aircraft for a while?

Yeah to some extent. This was a way of making a pure fighter into a relatively accurate bomber with unguided weapons.

The US mostly relies on precision weapons these days.

Mike

[ExNusquam]

Am I right to assume the SVP-24 is a GPS/INS navigation system similar to what's been in use aboard US aircraft for a while?

I mean technically, the US has been doing INS deliveries of dumb weapons since the late 60's with the F-111 and F-4E. The SVP-24 isn't even that new to the Russians - it's been used on the FENCER series for a while. Source.

The US mostly relies on precision weapons these days.

Because after Desert Storm the US discovered that even using GPS/INS aided delivery systems (F-16 and F/A-18), dumb bombs just can't match PGMs in terms of killing targets efficiently.

[kevinkins]

The thing I read is that the system is tied to the specific a/c so if that platform is put out of action all the dumb bombs in storage are back to square one. In low intensity combat that seems OK. But munition storage is less vulnerable than the platforms themselves since the a/c are technically operating in the threat zone. Oh, believing these weapons are sniper-like (Hellfire) with minimal collateral damage seems misguided (pun intended) and full of political consequences on the ground.

[mikmykWS]

ORIGINAL: kevinkin

The thing I read is that the system is tied to the specific a/c so if that platform is put out of action all the dumb bombs in storage are back to square one. In low intensity combat that seems OK. But munition storage is less vulnerable than the platforms themselves since the a/c are technically operating in the threat zone. Oh, believing these weapons are sniper-like (Hellfire) with minimal collateral damage seems misguided (pun intended) and full of political consequences on the ground.

I think its just a bombing computer. Bombs aren't really tied to anything.

Honestly I'm not so sure why the Russians are using the carrier this way. They could get more bang for their buck with the AF.

Mike

[kevinkins]

No, not physically tied, but tied with an operational expectation of the availability of their cache of dumb bombs having more precision.

[Gunner98]

Honestly I'm not so sure why the Russians are using the carrier this way.

The have at least three embedded news camera teams on board, lots of great footage, I'm sure the real target is not in Syria.

B

[mikmykWS]

ORIGINAL: Gunner98

Honestly I'm not so sure why the Russians are using the carrier this way.

The have at least three embedded news camera teams on board, lots of great footage, I'm sure the real target is not in Syria.

B

Agreed[:)]

Mike

[altipueri]

ORIGINAL: Zaslon

ORIGINAL: AlGrant

There is very little I can say about this that wouldn't sound like a rant! [:@]

http://www.janes.com/article/65445/uk-to-retire-gws60-harpoon-at-end-of-2018

"The retirement of Harpoon will leave RN warships without a heavyweight surface-to-surface guided weapon (SSGW), opening up a gap in over-the-horizon anti-surface warfare capability.
Furthermore, with the helicopter-launched Sea Skua missile going out of service (OSD) at the end of March 2017, the RN will be devoid of any anti-surface guided weapon for about two years pending the introduction of the Sea Venom/ANL lightweight anti-ship missile on the Wildcat HMA.2 helicopter in late 2020."

Oh my God! [X(]

Would some clever chaps please make scenarios to show how British Sea Power (a pop band, formerly the Royal Navy) take on the Chinese now that we have only 4.5 inch guns and aircraft carriers without aircraft. Actually, taking on Belgium might do.

[AlGrant]

ORIGINAL: altipueri

ORIGINAL: Zaslon

ORIGINAL: AlGrant

There is very little I can say about this that wouldn't sound like a rant! [:@]

http://www.janes.com/article/65445/uk-to-retire-gws60-harpoon-at-end-of-2018

"The retirement of Harpoon will leave RN warships without a heavyweight surface-to-surface guided weapon (SSGW), opening up a gap in over-the-horizon anti-surface warfare capability.
Furthermore, with the helicopter-launched Sea Skua missile going out of service (OSD) at the end of March 2017, the RN will be devoid of any anti-surface guided weapon for about two years pending the introduction of the Sea Venom/ANL lightweight anti-ship missile on the Wildcat HMA.2 helicopter in late 2020."

Oh my God! [X(]

Would some clever chaps please make scenarios to show how British Sea Power (a pop band, formerly the Royal Navy) take on the Chinese now that we have only 4.5 inch guns and aircraft carriers without aircraft. Actually, taking on Belgium might do.

Well here's one solution [:D]
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11/17/solution_to_navy_harpoon_missile_withdrawal_problem/?mt=1479396463310

[Gneckes]

I wonder.. how could we all have missed that solution? It's so magnificent in its simplicity!

[mikmykWS]

My guess is this is a move to force a decision.

Mike

[Gneckes]

Decision on what?

[mikmykWS]

ORIGINAL: Gneckes

Decision on what?

A replacement.Now that its out there and there is outrage it tends to get folks moving.
Mike

[Gneckes]

Makes sense. I guess that's one way to do it.

[kevinkins]

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/lo ... l-a-secret

Lt. Leslie Hubbell, who is the assistant public affairs officer for Commander Naval Air Forces, confirmed IRON99's identity is a Navy E-6B Mercury, created by Boeing at a cost of $141.7 million per unit.

The unit's overall mission is classified, Hubbell said, but did confirm the mission of the plane's class.

"The overall mission of the E-6B is command, control and communications abilities to direct and employ strategic resources," Hubbell said.

[Bert Blitzkrieg]

Another view on the reason why the Dutch (?) submarine was detected by th erUssinas in the Mediterranean:
http://tass.com/world/911375

[Cik]

ORIGINAL: AlGrant

ORIGINAL: altipueri

ORIGINAL: Zaslon



Oh my God! [X(]

Would some clever chaps please make scenarios to show how British Sea Power (a pop band, formerly the Royal Navy) take on the Chinese now that we have only 4.5 inch guns and aircraft carriers without aircraft. Actually, taking on Belgium might do.

Well here's one solution [:D]
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11/17/solution_to_navy_harpoon_missile_withdrawal_problem/?mt=1479396463310

well it's probably slow enough to disappear into the radar notch while flying front aspect so there's an advantage

who needs stealth? all you have to do is stand still relative to the defending platform and you're invisible :^)