When?

[oscar72se]

ORIGINAL: Joseignacio

http://www.vassalengine.org/community/index.php

I couldn't agree more.

[LordBeluga]

ORIGINAL: oscar72se

ORIGINAL: Joseignacio

http://www.vassalengine.org/community/index.php

I couldn't agree more.

This is a great module for an equally great engine. It's a shame no one plays it. [:(]

[BallyJ]

This is a great module for an equally great engine. It's a shame no one plays it. [:(]
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I never seem to be able to make it work!!
Probably becauce of my incompetence regarding computers.
Hence my interest in CWIFE??
LOL

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: LordBeluga

ORIGINAL: oscar72se

ORIGINAL: Joseignacio

http://www.vassalengine.org/community/index.php

I couldn't agree more.

This is a great module for an equally great engine. It's a shame no one plays it. [:(]

I don't know why you say that, there are a lot of players who use it.

[LordBeluga]

ORIGINAL: Froonp

ORIGINAL: LordBeluga

ORIGINAL: oscar72se



I couldn't agree more.

This is a great module for an equally great engine. It's a shame no one plays it. [:(]

I don't know why you say that, there are a lot of players who use it.

Really? Hmm.. whenever I load it up the main room is empty. I know it's not a connection problem since I play V40k and VASL regularly with no troubles.

It's a shame, too, 'cause I'd really like to get a game going. Perhaps there's a Vassal WiF gaming group I've yet to hear about.. ? [;)]


Also, what errors are you getting, BallyJ?

[micheljq]

The main room is often empty, it's normal. If you want to be sure, try to find someone who can connect same time as you, and verify if you see each other in the main room.

[lavisj]

ORIGINAL: LordBeluga


Really? Hmm.. whenever I load it up the main room is empty. I know it's not a connection problem since I play V40k and VASL regularly with no troubles.

It's a shame, too, 'cause I'd really like to get a game going. Perhaps there's a Vassal WiF gaming group I've yet to hear about.. ? [;)]


Also, what errors are you getting, BallyJ?

Well, people who play vassal play it like a regular face to face game (except for those who play it in a PBEM fashion). So they first find each other (forum, email..... any means necessary) and then they setup a times and days to play. So they will only connect for those times.
But I know that when we play, there often are other room playing. Actually, since I started using Vassal, I think the number of games has increased significantly.
If you want to play on vassal, I suggest you first find people to play with, and then setup a game. Otherwise, connect around 6-10pm EST, this is when I seem to see the most people on the server.

Jerome

[winky51]

So we got those that want it to play vs a human for X reason. Mine is because I moved and all my friends are in Florida and I am itching for a game... no gamers up here in NC for WIF for some strange reason.

Then those that only buy it with AI.

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Soooo I guess I dont see the problem with putting the non-AI now and updating the AI later. People like me will certainly buy it now. People that want AI will buy it later. Matrix makes money NOW to cover costs and via word of mouth will make money later too. Its not like they put out crap products. Its a good company. WW2 Road to Victory sold (it lacked as a game) and then they completely redid it again with a free upgrade for people like me who bought it. Im sure they sold more copies after the super update. Thats the sign of a good company that recognized the game lacks and redid it and put it out there. I always recommend their games to people. But I dont know marketing so maybe its different than how I see it.

BTW I got a solar powered clothes dryer Im selling for $99 and free shipping. Electric dryers cost waaay more. Anyone wanna buy it?

As for later programming AI being more difficult... isnt that the point of Object Oriented Programming? I come from a structured programming background which sure that would be more difficult but OOP shouldnt be. Shit what do I know.

BTW what is the new update for the game? When?

Also who do I contact to get on the BETA. I have time now unlike before.

[Cheesehead]

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ORIGINAL: oscar72se


quote:

ORIGINAL: Joseignacio

http://www.vassalengine.org/community/index.php

I couldn't agree more.


This is a great module for an equally great engine. It's a shame no one plays it.

Oh really? I''ve played around 20 different people from around the world using Vassal. I currently have 4 games going right now. One game that is towards the end of JA '44, another in JF '43, and two that are just getting started. I've been playing WiF through Vassal since 2005. I've played so many different people I've lost track of the number. Probably exceeding 20....

Cheers

John

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: LordBeluga

ORIGINAL: Froonp

ORIGINAL: LordBeluga




This is a great module for an equally great engine. It's a shame no one plays it. [:(]

I don't know why you say that, there are a lot of players who use it.

Really? Hmm.. whenever I load it up the main room is empty. I know it's not a connection problem since I play V40k and VASL regularly with no troubles.

It's a shame, too, 'cause I'd really like to get a game going. Perhaps there's a Vassal WiF gaming group I've yet to hear about.. ? [;)]


Also, what errors are you getting, BallyJ?

There are 2 reasons you see the main room empty.
1) People don't linger around here waiting for a game to happen. This is not a beer & bretzel game. People have appointments with their friends, and they only connect when it's time to play.
2) There are different versions of the gamebox, and I believe that you only see the people that have the same Gamebox as you have.

[LordBeluga]

ORIGINAL: Froonp

ORIGINAL: LordBeluga

ORIGINAL: Froonp


I don't know why you say that, there are a lot of players who use it.

Really? Hmm.. whenever I load it up the main room is empty. I know it's not a connection problem since I play V40k and VASL regularly with no troubles.

It's a shame, too, 'cause I'd really like to get a game going. Perhaps there's a Vassal WiF gaming group I've yet to hear about.. ? [;)]


Also, what errors are you getting, BallyJ?

1) People don't linger around here waiting for a game to happen. This is not a beer & bretzel game. People have appointments with their friends, and they only connect when it's time to play.

Understandably so. I'm just used to hopping in V40k or VASL and setting up games then and there.

Any way, it appears I have been logging in at weak hours; early afternoon yesterday I seen 6 servers running and I am now looking at a game with yourself and several others playing.

It's good to see this module actually has an active player-base. [:D]

If any of you are looking for an additional player for your next game, feel free to PM me.

[Sarge]

lol

For thousands of years military collages from every conceivable civilization armed with immeasurable accumulative knowledge have utterly failed in producing a simplistic AI temp plate : if this happens do this!




So …………what’s the hold up ?

[DCWhitworth]

If the game is intended to have an AI it should have one on release.

I'm sure the developers genuinely intend to produce one in the future. However once the game is released they will be spending pretty much all their time fixing bugs which is 'essential' whereas producing an AI will be a 'nice to have' feature and will always take second place.

I can also bet they'll be fixing more bugs than they thought they would be.

[Hokum]

Now...
Developer: "X game will not have an AI in this current version but we will have one in a later patch. We have over the internet play, network play, PBEM.
User: "oh boy network play, too bad it doesnt have AI play so I better start getting some opponents."

That's quite true (I do not expect much from the AI, solitary game would probably more amusing), BUT it requires an infrastructure to help players finding partners.

[Joseignacio]

ORIGINAL: winky51



Soooo I guess I dont see the problem with putting the non-AI now and updating the AI later. People like me will certainly buy it now. People that want AI will buy it later. Matrix makes money NOW to cover costs and via word of mouth will make money later too. Its not like they put out crap products. Its a good company. WW2 Road to Victory sold (it lacked as a game) and then they completely redid it again with a free upgrade for people like me who bought it. Im sure they sold more copies after the super update. Thats the sign of a good company that recognized the game lacks and redid it and put it out there. I always recommend their games to people. But I dont know marketing so maybe its different than how I see it.

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Sorry to say I don't agree at all:

- If you build a game without AI only some of the fans of the board game will buy it, the amount of money is despicable and would probably not serve even to cover the expenses of Marketing.

- If you build a computer game, nowadays at least, it needs to have an AI, if it doesn't have, you can tell the possible clients (and very few will buy) or you can hide it and scam them.

- There are plenty of scams in the video games industry and peopel are fed up, the public knows well what Sh+ts are being sold nowadays, withuot competent AI and full of bugs, if they buy they want a game that works as promised.

- Because of this, the possible publicity word of mouth would be in any case, negative: scam or game without AI, just a PBEM like Cyberboard.

- Matrix is a good company but not a developer and cannot garantee the future patches or developements of a game, those will depend on the developer also.

- Even if Matrix and developer try to keep on improving the game, they will have to face the bugs, and a newer version improved, is usually sold, not for free, just like those versions you mentioned above, just that they may have been cheaper if the game was considered "not new" or evern more expensive if presented like "Gold Version" or a new game (a sequel).

[Joseignacio]

ORIGINAL: Sarge

lol

For thousands of years military collages from every conceivable civilization armed with immeasurable accumulative knowledge have utterly failed in producing a simplistic AI temp plate : if this happens do this!




So …………what’s the hold up ?

No, they succeeded from the first time they tried, it just happens that thos who need to do as the book says are humans, and with a different background and training, and sometimes it works, sometimes not.

[Joseignacio]

ORIGINAL: DCWhitworth

If the game is intended to have an AI it should have one on release.

I'm sure the developers genuinely intend to produce one in the future. However once the game is released they will be spending pretty much all their time fixing bugs which is 'essential' whereas producing an AI will be a 'nice to have' feature and will always take second place.

I can also bet they'll be fixing more bugs than they thought they would be.

As some other posters stated before " I couldn't agree more".

[alf16371]

Hi, I'm Federico from Italy and I'm waiting to...
Good work![;)]

[Caquineur]

ORIGINAL: alf16371

Hi, I'm Federico from Italy and I'm waiting to...
Good work![;)]

Buon Giorno Federico, and Welcome to the forum !

[Sarge]

ORIGINAL: Joseignacio

ORIGINAL: Sarge

lol

For thousands of years military collages from every conceivable civilization armed with immeasurable accumulative knowledge have utterly failed in producing a simplistic AI temp plate : if this happens do this!

So …………what’s the hold up ?

No, they succeeded from the first time they tried, it just happens that thos who need to do as the book says are humans, and with a different background and training, and sometimes it works, sometimes not.

Really,

What chapter is that nugget in ……………………….[8|]