Moderators: wdolson, MOD_War-in-the-Pacific-Admirals-Edition
They provide Aviation Support that does not require he tender to be disbanded.
ORIGINAL: poodlebrain
An ancillary benefit of suppressing the airfield at Coal Harbor is it prevents expansion of the port. And a level 1 port is a rather severe limitation on Coal Harbor as a sustainable forward base of operations. If the KB returns to support Coal Harbor I would take it as a sign that Japan has plans for some sort of offensive operation on the West Coast. A level 1 port at Coal Harbor will make it useless as a staging base for any large scale operation.
I would presume that while suppressing the airfield that Joc would also bombard the port occasionally to reduce its cargo and fuel handling capacities. This would prolong the presence of any ships loading and/or unloading offering increased opportunities to attack them while they are most vulnerable. It would also limit the utility of the base for naval combatants as refueling and rearming would be a problem. Knowing Japanese surface combat capabilities are limited, I would create PT boats at Victoria to make nuisance raids on Coal Harbor and create some small fast SCTFs to make sorties against Victoria whenever shipping is detected at Coal Harbor. Without the KB to support Coal Harbor, it would become an extremely dangerous place for any assets the Japanese commit there.ORIGINAL: tiemanj
While suppression is never a bad idea... don't underestimate how much you can move through a small port given enough nav support. And enough is not all that much (at least not as far as the allies are concerned). 1 USN BF can make it viable, and 2, well, even better.
ORIGINAL: poodlebrain
I would presume that while suppressing the airfield that Joc would also bombard the port occasionally to reduce its cargo and fuel handling capacities. This would prolong the presence of any ships loading and/or unloading offering increased opportunities to attack them while they are most vulnerable. It would also limit the utility of the base for naval combatants as refueling and rearming would be a problem. Knowing Japanese surface combat capabilities are limited, I would create PT boats at Victoria to make nuisance raids on Coal Harbor and create some small fast SCTFs to make sorties against Victoria whenever shipping is detected at Coal Harbor. Without the KB to support Coal Harbor, it would become an extremely dangerous place for any assets the Japanese commit there.ORIGINAL: tiemanj
While suppression is never a bad idea... don't underestimate how much you can move through a small port given enough nav support. And enough is not all that much (at least not as far as the allies are concerned). 1 USN BF can make it viable, and 2, well, even better.
; Julia Child
Night Time Surface Combat, near Coal Harbour at 204,49, Range 2,000 Yards
Japanese Ships
DD Asagumo, Shell hits 3, heavy fires
DD Umikaze
DD Suzukaze
DD Shirayuki
E Kunashiri, Shell hits 1
AK Sado Maru, Shell hits 1
xAK Minryo Maru, Shell hits 6, on fire
Allied Ships
DD Farenholt
DD Caldwell
DD Dale, Shell hits 1
DD Worden
DD MacDonough, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Dewey, Shell hits 6, heavy fires
Afternoon Air attack on Coal Harbour , at 204,49
Weather in hex: Heavy rain
Raid spotted at 35 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 36
A6M2-N Rufe x 6
Allied aircraft
P-38E Lightning x 11
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
P-38E Lightning: 4 destroyed
Afternoon Air attack on Coal Harbour , at 204,49
Weather in hex: Heavy rain
Raid detected at 30 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 29
A6M2-N Rufe x 6
Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 25
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 1 destroyed on ground
Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 13 damaged
Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 3 [:(]
Afternoon Air attack on 8th Tank Regiment, at 53,28 , near Benares
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud
Raid spotted at 33 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 8
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 3
Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 14
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 2 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed
First all my DDs clashed with a small transport TF defended by some Japanese DDs. Results are...underwhelming.
ORIGINAL: RangerJoe
At Coal Harbor, would a SCTF, followed by DMS TF, a bombardment TF and then a DM or two laying mines be effective? Should the DMS go first, separately or be included in both the SCTF and the Bombardment group? If they went in at full speed, they should be able to get back under your CAP, correct? Close the port until your mines are cleared as well as doing damage to the port, airfield and airplanes as well destroying supplies.
ORIGINAL: Lokasenna
In my experience... that CAP still being up, even though it was relatively light (still 35 planes!), is what caused your bombers to miss. More so than heavy rain (which doesn't seem to have THAT much of an effect, unlike Thunderstorms) or the AA. The AA doesn't seem to mess with aim so much as cause damage. I'm sure it does affect hit rate, but I've noticed a far larger effect from 1) CAP, and 2) Thunderstorms. In that order.
Afternoon Air attack on Vancouver , at 209,49
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud
Raid detected at 19 NM, estimated altitude 22,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 7
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 42
No Japanese losses
Aircraft Attacking:
42 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 20000 feet
Afternoon Air attack on Vancouver , at 209,49
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud
Raid detected at 22 NM, estimated altitude 23,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 36
No Japanese losses
Aircraft Attacking:
36 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 20000 feet
; Julia Child
[/center]Not sure it is all going to be easier for the Allies. Lowpe is an experienced Japanese player and knows how to manage the industry to produce advanced fighters early. This may mean a counter to the P-40K is not far off.ORIGINAL: RangerJoe
Plus, if he is keeping his best pilots there with lots of planes, they aren't somewhere else. You only get better in pilots, airframes and anti-aircrafts. You get to use those permanently restricted air units for things other than ASW and training.
