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[Dixie]

ORIGINAL: Apollo11

Hi all,

“Protection of civilians

“4. Authorizes Member States that have notified the Secretary-General, acting nationally or through regional organizations or arrangements, and acting in cooperation with the Secretary-General, to take all necessary measures, notwithstanding paragraph 9 of resolution 1970 (2011), to protect civilians and civilian populated areas under threat of attack in the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, including Benghazi, while excluding a foreign occupation force of any form on any part of Libyan territory, and requests the Member States concerned to inform the Secretary-General immediately of the measures they take pursuant to the authorization conferred by this paragraph which shall be immediately reported to the Security Council;

Leo "Apollo11"

In effect we're going to be providing airstrikes for the rebels and stopping the Libyan government from doing the same. It's not UN action, it's getting fully involved IMO.

[stuman]

ORIGINAL: sprior

Okay, so who ordered a copy of this?

Or this?

Thank you for pointing those out. I will get right on it.

[stuman]

ORIGINAL: Grollub

[chuckle] Swedish commercial; "Looking for a new job?" [:D]

[:D]

[stuman]

ORIGINAL: bradfordkay

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

Cultural curiosity: what do you guys put on your pancakes?

ETA: butter and maple syrup would be the most common here. Fruit, jam or fruit compote would also be rather common.

I prefer butter and cane syrup, but the latter is hard to find around here.

+1

http://www.steensyrup.com/Merchant2/products.html

[stuman]

ORIGINAL: Grollub

ORIGINAL: Terminus

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

Unlikely that fixed-wing FBs will challenge NATO-enforced no fly zones.  Now, rotary wing ground support will be a bit more challenging to interdict...

I think this no-fly zone is a poor idea, arrived at too late. The Colonel can just keep his planes on the ground while his soldiers roll into Benghazi and Tobruk and kill the population off. What are we going to do then?

Airstrikes don't win a war, and since the UN resolution doesn't allow for ground troops, and the rebels are not powerful enough to go on the offensive and win for months (if not years), what is to be gained from intervening?

It's a bad idea.

Agreed. As usual with the UN - Too little, too late and the wrong setup. It's a political alibi, nothing else.

I tend to agree here.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: Dixie

ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund

ORIGINAL: Dixie
So once again we're involved in someone else's war.

It's a bad idea, badly thought out.

What is the alternative? Just let all those people die?

We are talking about a rebellion against one of the worst dictators in the world. If we dont help, then who will? And more importantly, if we dont help, then what have we become?

Yes. That's the alternative and it's one I'd take. The West isn't welcome in the Arab world, all we're doing is sticking our noses into the internal affairs of another nation. In the worst case scenario, I don't believe that any number of rebel lives are worth the loss of a single NATO pilot. Why isn't the UN getting involved in Bahrain? Are they less deserving of our protection?

The resolution isn't about saving the civilians. It's about having a ready-made excuse to get involved and overthrow the Colonel. We had our chance years ago and didn't take it when we reasonably could have.

Speaking from a UK viewpoint, we don't have the assets to do this. The forces are being cut and now we're wading into another scrap half cocked and with no loing term plans.

Warspite1

+1

......and for Bahrain, add the poor people of Zimbabwe etc etc.

[stuman]

Off to work, more tax returns calling my name.

[Terminus]

And what "signal" will we be sending to the Arab world once the bombs start going astray and killing the civilians this clusterf**k is supposed to protect? Because they will.

[stuman]

Because I want my Thread Brothers to live happier lives ( from an article I read concerning health tips ):

" 4. Have hotter sex

The researcher: Alan Hirsch, MD, director, Smell & Taste Treatment and Research Foundation

The lesson: Smelling popcorn can boost your sex life. "Our studies found that men respond to just about any scent with increased penile blood flow. Skip the pricey perfume—it upped blood flow by only 3%. The smell of cheese pizza increased it by 5%; buttered popcorn, by 9%; and the combined scent of lavender and pumpkin pie, a whopping 40%." "

I told my wife to go look for some lavendar flavored popcorn. I don't think she believed me.

[Onime No Kyo]

Morning tithe.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: stuman

Because I want my Thread Brothers to live happier lives ( from an article I read concerning health tips ):

" 4. Have hotter sex

The researcher: Alan Hirsch, MD, director, Smell & Taste Treatment and Research Foundation

The lesson: Smelling popcorn can boost your sex life. "Our studies found that men respond to just about any scent with increased penile blood flow. Skip the pricey perfume—it upped blood flow by only 3%. The smell of cheese pizza increased it by 5%; buttered popcorn, by 9%; and the combined scent of lavender and pumpkin pie, a whopping 40%." "

I told my wife to go look for some lavendar flavored popcorn. I don't think she believed me.

Warspite1

Just the smell of pumpkin makes me wretch and lavender is too sickly. Maybe I should visit the clinic for penile dysfunction?

[Onime No Kyo]

ORIGINAL: stuman

ORIGINAL: Grollub

[chuckle] Swedish commercial; "Looking for a new job?" [:D]

[:D]

Thats actually an American commercial, so there. [:'(]

[Grollub]

Ok, didn't know that. [:)]

[Terminus]

Well, the Libyan foreign minister just announced a unilateral cease-fire "to protect civilians". Funny, that...

[Hortlund]

Well, imagine that huh. But I suppose you guys think it would have happened without the UN-resolution anyway, right? Or perhaps you just dont care.

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: Grollub

ORIGINAL: Terminus

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

Unlikely that fixed-wing FBs will challenge NATO-enforced no fly zones.  Now, rotary wing ground support will be a bit more challenging to interdict...

I think this no-fly zone is a poor idea, arrived at too late. The Colonel can just keep his planes on the ground while his soldiers roll into Benghazi and Tobruk and kill the population off. What are we going to do then?

Airstrikes don't win a war, and since the UN resolution doesn't allow for ground troops, and the rebels are not powerful enough to go on the offensive and win for months (if not years), what is to be gained from intervening?

It's a bad idea.

Agreed. As usual with the UN - Too little, too late and the wrong setup. It's a political alibi, nothing else.

Being as we're not discussing politics on THE THREAD, I won't comment further. Except to say that I agree completely. [;)]

[Hortlund]

ORIGINAL: Dixie
Yes. That's the alternative and it's one I'd take. The West isn't welcome in the Arab world, all we're doing is sticking our noses into the internal affairs of another nation. In the worst case scenario, I don't believe that any number of rebel lives are worth the loss of a single NATO pilot.

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.

John Stuart Mill
English economist & philosopher (1806 - 1873)

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: warspite1
Maybe I should visit the clinic for penile dysfunction?

warspite1-I'll have you know that I positively shook whilest restraining myself from responding to this post. You're begging for a one-liner ala Onime with posts like this, dude. Of course, I'm above the fray and far too mature to do so...[:D]

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund

ORIGINAL: Dixie
Yes. That's the alternative and it's one I'd take. The West isn't welcome in the Arab world, all we're doing is sticking our noses into the internal affairs of another nation. In the worst case scenario, I don't believe that any number of rebel lives are worth the loss of a single NATO pilot.

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.

John Stuart Mill
English economist & philosopher (1806 - 1873)

"The entire Eastern Question is not worth the bones of one Pomeranian grenadier."-Bizmarck

[Terminus]

There's not one square centimeter of Libya that's worth one drop of European or American blood. So no, Hortlund, (you stuck-up, holier-than-thou git) I don't care.