playable yet? Part II

[borner]

I will say it again...... there are threads to talk about how to improve the game, report bugs, ect...........   This was to allow those of us who were upset about the game, and those that still are, a place to vent and such with like minded people. Those that see the world as the cup half-full, well, thre are other threads. 

[borner]

maybe this is a better choice.....    

[Thresh]

Question:

How long do you need to vent?

Is once not enough?

Or must an opinion be expressed multiple times before people get the gist?

Todd

ORIGINAL: borner

I will say it again...... there are threads to talk about how to improve the game, report bugs, ect...........   This was to allow those of us who were upset about the game, and those that still are, a place to vent and such with like minded people. Those that see the world as the cup half-full, well, thre are other threads. 

[borner]

Answer: depends on how many times I am told not to! The real question is how many time you feel you have to post to this thread telling us not to. Actually, I do think it's playable, but until Matrix shuts this down, I am going to continue expressing my opinion on this thread, as well as others.

[NeverMan]

It's unfortunate that this thread has derailed from it's original intention and a lot of the VERY GOOD content of this thread has been lost between the bad posts. This thread could have served as a place for newcomers to read about the game and see what people think.

I think that Thresh and Pzngdr and the others have accomplished their goal... .the hijacking and derailing of this thread. Well done you guys!

I guess there will have to be a "Is this game playable III"!? [X(]

[pzgndr]

This thread could have served as a place for newcomers to read about the game and see what people think.

As if newcomers really need a thread dominated by such negative thinking. "Do not buy this game." "This game will never be playable." Yeah, that's really helpful. [8|]

Despite all of the insulting remarks about the game and its design and its marketing, we continue to see newcomers buying the game, playing the game, and enjoying the game to the current extent possible. There continues to be optimism for the future planned improvements and enhancements. The negative comments should eventually fade into irrelevancy, hopefully sooner rather than later. [:)]

I guess Attempt Informal Peace failed this Diplomacy Phase. Tsk Tsk.

[Thresh]

Well Borner, that strikes me as they type of behavior most people grow out of by the time they turn six, plus or minus a couple...

Honestly, if you, Neverman and others think that just posting your opinions, repeatedly, is going to work, by all means don't stop. However,please don't change tactics to holding your breath, throwing yourself to the floor and kicking until you get your way, because I am pretty sure you'll pass out.



Todd

ORIGINAL: borner

Answer: depends on how many times I am told not to! The real question is how many time you feel you have to post to this thread telling us not to. Actually, I do think it's playable, but until Matrix shuts this down, I am going to continue expressing my opinion on this thread, as well as others.

[Thresh]

Refuting and/or disagreeing with your point of view with a differing opinion is threadjacking?

Whats the web coming to these days...

Todd

ORIGINAL: NeverMan

It's unfortunate that this thread has derailed from it's original intention and a lot of the VERY GOOD content of this thread has been lost between the bad posts. This thread could have served as a place for newcomers to read about the game and see what people think.

I think that Thresh and Pzngdr and the others have accomplished their goal... .the hijacking and derailing of this thread. Well done you guys!

I guess there will have to be a "Is this game playable III"!? [X(]

[Tarleton]

ORIGINAL: Thresh
Refuting and/or disagreeing with your point of view with a differing opinion is threadjacking?

ORIGINAL: NeverMan
I guess there will have to be a "Is this game playable III"!? [X(]

Frankly I think the new thread should be titled "Thread for Those whom the Matrix PC version of EiA will Never (or Darn Near Close to Never) Satisfy".

Playable III? (or Son of Playable?, or Battle for the Planet of Playable?) is just false advertising.

One sees the thread, sees 150+ replies, things, "Yegods, the game must be the worst game since wargames came out on PC".

Then you log on and the "5 Balding, Mom's basement guys"- factor in the thread becomes apparant. That and the "Psycho 4 AM Girl Logic"-Factor as well.

[NeverMan]

Pzgndr - Newcomers need opinions. It's their money and they should have a right to know what they are buying with their $70... or do you disagree with that?

Thresh - again with the insults, nice, really showing your age. You are not disagreeing with my point of view on the game in this thread, you are insulting me constantly in an attempt to hijack and derail this thread.

Turtleton - Maybe this is the worst PC wargame ever!! If not, it's got to be the worst adaptation of a wargame to PC. Is there an award for that? Other than that, your post was actually funny.

[pzgndr]

Pzgndr - Newcomers need opinions. It's their money and they should have a right to know what they are buying with their $70... or do you disagree with that?

I would recommend they read my game review at Wargamer.com, read other game reviews, read the other forum threads with real discussion going on, and make up their own mind. I am not going to presume to tell others what they should do or what game they should play or how they should play it. You, however, have very much the My-Way-Or-The-Highway attitude and act as some sort of self-appointed Walmart greeter of doom and gloom here.

Speaking of what to do with one's money, you have been no newcomer to the Matrix forums. You knew EXACTLY what the game development was looking like and you knew EXACTLY what the situation was when the game was released, warts and all. One must wonder why you would be so stupid to spend money on something you knew for a fact was not what you wanted and would be very long if ever in getting to what you wanted, and then spend over a year complaining about it. There's more than just your "opinion" going on here. There's downright hostility towards the design decisions that went into the game and the blasphemous fact that Matrix Games would market such a game contrary to your desires. Poor you! And you just will not let go of that!!! And all for a $70 toy. Or do you disagree with that??

[Thresh]

If not, it's got to be the worst adaptation of a wargame to PC

You've obviously never seen AH's attempted port of Civil War to the computer.

As for insulting, lets see:

This thread is pointless.
Matrix really doesn't care, that's the bottom line.
I will not playtest for this horrible company or report any bugs I find or give any feedback in any way simply because I don't believe that this company listens.
Actually, only your post is pointless.
I also disagree that no matter what Matrix does some people won't be happy. This is just lazy thinking, IMO. If Matrix could fix this game so that it was EiA and THEN add all the extras as options I think that could make everyone happy. NOW, the fact that Matrix has gotten so far into this game and refuse to do this is another story altogether.
This game is not playable because it's simply too easy to cheat in this game.
ps. Stop calling this thing EiA please, it's just not right.
This game is NOT playable, at least not in any enjoyable manner. It's slow slow slow and still buggy buggy buggy.
I have stopped joining or starting games and am eagerly waiting for the last game I am in to die (probably from some bug).
I'm sure I will get all kinds of crap for this but whatever. BUYER BEWARE!!!
For all those complaining about my posts, why don't you take your OWN advice and STOP READING THIS THREAD THEN!!!! WOW, what a concept!!
Fasicst pigs!!

Pot, I have a collect call from Kettle...

Look familiar?  And that's just from this thread. Many of us don;t find those comments to be helpful, or constructive.  Although I must admit the fascist pig part did make me smile some, a flashback to my college dyas when the professor couldn't refute me unless she lowered herself to name calling those who didn't agree with her...anyways...

I've had said before that the game has its problems and issues and I am doing what I can to help resolve them.

What are you  doing other than posting?  By your own admission: NOTHING! Its allright there, in 1's and 0's.

You obviously don't care. 
Wait, I take that back.  You care enough to complain and then do little else.  Despite the fact that others, including Matrix, have refuted many of your claims (mostly by continuing to enjoy playing the game and working to fix it so its better product), they are all wrong, and you alone stand in the right.  You hate this game so much rather than kill any game your in by leaving, your going to avoidthe responsibility and let something or someone else kill it for you.  Thats, well, IMO thats not exactly admirable or standup.  YMMV...

You want a better game, help those of us wanting a better game work towards one.  If your idea of help is complaining from the sidelines and refusing to otherwise get involved, then your going to get ignored eventually by those of us actually expending more effort than is required by complaining to accomplish something.


Todd

[AresMars]

And yet the back and forth continues.....

[I want to thank you all for the entertainment....passes the time when I am really bored....]

[Thresh]

Just remember to tip your waitress Ares!

[;)]

[AresMars]

TIP: Don't start a land war in Russia during the Winter....

TIP2: Always avoid wars on two fronts....

and now, back to our regularly schedule entertainment.....

[pzgndr]

I want to thank you all for the entertainment

Hopefully there is a higher purpose being served with all this silly nonsense. On the one hand folks can see a large number of passionate and enthusiastic players who actually support the game and are playing the game, despite the acknowledged shortcomings, and remain steadfastly optimistic that the remaining issues will be resolved and the game will be great. On the other hand folks can see a few disgruntled outliers with a chip on their shoulders. In the great scheme of things, it should be apparent even to newcomers who the winners are and who the losers are in these altercations.

What is amazing is why the losing side keeps coming back to get their butt whooped again and again, like Prussian landwehr repeatedly assaulting the French Old Guard, uphill and in the mud. Too funny! [:D]

[Tarleton]

ORIGINAL: pzgndr
On the other hand folks can see a few disgruntled outliers with a chip on their shoulders. In the great scheme of things, it should be apparent even to newcomers who the winners are and who the losers are in these altercations.

I have created a place for them here:

tm.asp?m=2016393

Call it "St. Helena"

[fvianello]

ORIGINAL: Tarleton

Then you log on and the "5 Balding, Mom's basement guys"- factor in the thread becomes apparant. That and the "Psycho 4 AM Girl Logic"-Factor as well.

ahahahah I love that! so true!

[borner]

NO... the tips were never get involved in a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well known... never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line!!!!!!

[iamspamus]

Both sides have been insulting. Maybe we all should stop that...[:-]

I know you have given tons of constructive criticism. Thanks. That has helped.

I have only been here since 2006. OH well. I still like the game (board and computer) and want to make it better. Do you want it to be better?

In my opinion, the game is playable, but not perfect. You may say that it is not playable. That's ok. Disagreement is fine.

Please, continue with your constructive criticism. It helps to make the game better (for me[:D]).

Jason

ORIGINAL: NeverMan

That's fair yes, but being insulting is not, which pzndgr has been time and time again.

On top of that, I have given TONS of constructive criticism to this game over the last FOUR YEARS, which most of you weren't even here for, so I'm not sure where that comes from but whatever.

THIS thread is about whether the game is playable and I STILL don't think it is. Everytime a new version comes out I am going to post here.