NOT JUST Submarines in the Pacific: FDRLincoln (Japan) vs. Bakerman (Allies)

FDRLincoln · Post by **FDRLincoln** » Sat Mar 17, 2012 1:43 am

Shoho has been commissioned. As soon as a proper DD escort is in place, she will head south to Truk to join Zuiho, Taiyo, and Ruyjo as part of the Support Carrier Force (abbreviated SCF, colloquiually known as mini-KB). She will relieve Hosho, which is heading back to Japan for service as a training carrier, aircraft transport, and ASW platform. SCF will provide aircover for operations at Rabaul and the eastern tip of New Guinea.

KB is finishing up covering the Ambon operation. Depending on the state of the ships and fatigue level of the pilots and air frames, KB will either go hunting in the DEI or withdraw to a safe harbor for a few days before supporting the next stages of conquest.
 
 

obvert · Post by **obvert** » Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:51 pm

ORIGINAL: FDRLincoln

Shoho has been commissioned. As soon as a proper DD escort is in place, she will head south to Truk to join Zuiho, Taiyo, and Ruyjo as part of the Support Carrier Force (abbreviated SCF, colloquiually known as mini-KB). She will relieve Hosho, which is heading back to Japan for service as a training carrier, aircraft transport, and ASW platform. SCF will provide aircover for operations at Rabaul and the eastern tip of New Guinea.

Although this was a real war use of these small CVs and CVEs for the IJN, where do you feel you have need of ASW air that can't be reached from land, and couldn't an AV provide the same more effectively with a less important and useful asset?

As for training groups for CV use, I guess this could be useful, but it's so small that you'd almost have to split groups to do it.

FDRLincoln · Post by **FDRLincoln** » Sat Mar 17, 2012 2:14 pm

He has several submarines in the Yellow Sea and prowling around the Sea of Japan and the Fifth Fleet area in the Kuriles. Although I have land-based ASW air assets, I need some of these aircraft deployed forward as well...I don't seem to have enough light bombers and float planes to give all the coverage I want. I have some AVs in the build/convert queue.

I try to have a realistic style of play. In real life Hosho's small size made it very difficult for her to operate modern aircraft, so I don't plan to use her the same way I am using my other small carriers. I have her stocked with Claudes and Jeans right now. My plan to use her as a training carrier is to train individual pilots up to a decent level, then stick them in the Reserve and transfer them as individuals to carrier squadrons as needed.

obvert · Post by **obvert** » Sat Mar 17, 2012 2:46 pm

ORIGINAL: FDRLincoln

He has several submarines in the Yellow Sea and prowling around the Sea of Japan and the Fifth Fleet area in the Kuriles. Although I have land-based ASW air assets, I need some of these aircraft deployed forward as well...I don't seem to have enough light bombers and float planes to give all the coverage I want. I have some AVs in the build/convert queue.

I try to have a realistic style of play. In real life Hosho's small size made it very difficult for her to operate modern aircraft, so I don't plan to use her the same way I am using my other small carriers. I have her stocked with Claudes and Jeans right now. My plan to use her as a training carrier is to train individual pilots up to a decent level, then stick them in the Reserve and transfer them as individuals to carrier squadrons as needed.

For training I'm sure this will work fine for individual pilots, but you could just leave them on land as well. In terms of carrier skill this is a group skill feature only applicable if the group is on the carrier training. Sorry if you already were assuming this and just stating the other use of her as a simple airfield for training normally.

She'll be a target in the ASW role and will likely attract a full spread of torpedoes should she encounter subs. I feel at risk EVERY time I've moved CVs out of port in my game as I've already had about 7 attacks against CVs with 3 torpedoes taken in spite of the poor quality ordnance of early war US subs.

FDRLincoln · Post by **FDRLincoln** » Sat Mar 17, 2012 3:28 pm

That's a good point about her being a target. I don't mean to be complacent. Right now it is Jan 8th 1942 in our game and EVERY SINGLE US TORPEDO has been a dud or a miss, even from S-boats with the Mark 10 torps. There is no way that will last.

FDRLincoln · Post by **FDRLincoln** » Sun Mar 18, 2012 2:49 pm

Here is the situation near Ichang.

FDRLincoln · Post by **FDRLincoln** » Sun Mar 18, 2012 2:51 pm

Lots of maneuvering around Ichang and Hankow

obvert · Post by **obvert** » Sun Mar 18, 2012 3:18 pm

The troops in the clear between Sinyang and Hankow are dead meat if you bomb them extensively. And get some armor in there. Clear hexes and Chinese units don't mix well.

FDRLincoln · Post by **FDRLincoln** » Sun Mar 18, 2012 3:26 pm

Yeah I have been bombing them every day, and there is armor on the way. There are over 100,000 Chinese in that hex and I've only got about 20,000, however my troops are much better quality and are well-supplied.

aztez · Post by **aztez** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:38 pm

Good to see you back in the game! [:)]

I will follow this one surely and cheer for you!

FDRLincoln · Post by **FDRLincoln** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:44 pm

Hey Aztez! Good to see you. Thanks for the support.

obvert · Post by **obvert** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 7:45 pm

ORIGINAL: FDRLincoln

Yeah I have been bombing them every day, and there is armor on the way. There are over 100,000 Chinese in that hex and I've only got about 20,000, however my troops are much better quality and are well-supplied.

I bet you'll be fine. I would welcome an attack if his troops are even slightly disabled by the air strikes.

FDRLincoln · Post by **FDRLincoln** » Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:21 pm

Nothing submariny happened last turn and not much happening in China last turn, although my campaign to dislodge some Chinese units off a northern railline in the mountains made some progress.

The big news was an inconclusive cruiser battle near Kavieng. I lost a destroyer and he (reportedly) lost the cruiser Perth. More details later.

Haruna reached Hong Kong, where the shipyard reports it will take three months to restore her to fully operational status. It's OK...she sank the Prince of Wales.  

FDRLincoln · Post by **FDRLincoln** » Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:28 pm

The captain of USS Sealion gets sick of duds and deactivates his magnetic exploder.

Submarine attack near Hakodate at 121,54

Japanese Ships
xAK Dainiti Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Sealion

xAK Dainiti Maru is sighted by SS Sealion
SS Sealion launches 2 torpedoes at xAK Dainiti Maru
Dainiti Maru sunk, 2750 tons.
She was empty at least. No cargo or supplies lost.

FDRLincoln · Post by **FDRLincoln** » Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:31 pm

A cruiser battle near Kavieng results in the loss of IJN destroyer Kisaragi and Australian CL Perth (confirmed by my opponent)

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Jan 08, 42
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Kavieng at 106,123, Range 11,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Aoba, Shell hits 2, on fire
CA Kinugasa, Shell hits 4, on fire
CA Furutaka
CA Kako, Shell hits 2, on fire
CL Tenryu, Shell hits 1
DD Kisaragi
DD Yayoi
DD Uzuki
DD Oite
DD Hayate

Allied Ships
CA Louisville, Shell hits 1
CA Pensacola
CA Australia
CA Canberra
CL Leander, Shell hits 2, on fire
CL Achilles
CL Perth, Shell hits 1
DD Stuart
DD Voyager
DD Le Triomphant, Shell hits 2

Maximum visibility in Clear Conditions and 64% moonlight: 12,000 yards
Range closes to 17,000 yards...
Range closes to 11,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 11,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 11,000 yards
Dechaineaux, E.F.V. crosses the 'T'
CA Louisville engages CA Furutaka at 11,000 yards
CA Kinugasa engages CA Louisville at 11,000 yards
CA Furutaka engages CA Louisville at 11,000 yards
CL Perth engages CL Tenryu at 11,000 yards
CL Tenryu engages CL Achilles at 11,000 yards
CL Tenryu engages CL Leander at 11,000 yards
DD Yayoi engages DD Le Triomphant at 11,000 yards
Range closes to 7,000 yards
CA Kako engages CL Leander at 7,000 yards
CA Furutaka engages CA Australia at 7,000 yards
CA Pensacola engages CA Kinugasa at 7,000 yards
CA Aoba engages CL Leander at 7,000 yards
CL Perth engages CL Tenryu at 7,000 yards
DD Le Triomphant engages DD Hayate at 7,000 yards
DD Oite engages CL Leander at 7,000 yards
DD Le Triomphant engages DD Uzuki at 7,000 yards
DD Yayoi engages DD Le Triomphant at 7,000 yards
DD Stuart engages DD Kisaragi at 7,000 yards
Range closes to 3,000 yards
CA Louisville engages CA Kako at 3,000 yards
CA Kinugasa engages CA Australia at 3,000 yards
CA Pensacola engages CA Kinugasa at 3,000 yards
CA Louisville engages CA Aoba at 3,000 yards
CL Perth engages CL Tenryu at 3,000 yards
CL Achilles engages CA Aoba at 3,000 yards
CA Kinugasa engages CL Leander at 3,000 yards
DD Le Triomphant engages DD Hayate at 3,000 yards
DD Voyager engages DD Kisaragi at 3,000 yards
DD Kisaragi engages DD Le Triomphant at 3,000 yards
Range increases to 6,000 yards
CA Kako engages CA Canberra at 6,000 yards
CL Perth engages CA Furutaka at 6,000 yards
CA Aoba engages CA Pensacola at 6,000 yards
CA Kako engages CA Louisville at 6,000 yards
CL Perth engages CA Kinugasa at 6,000 yards
CL Achilles engages CA Aoba at 6,000 yards
DD Le Triomphant engages DD Uzuki at 6,000 yards
DD Stuart engages DD Yayoi at 6,000 yards
Range increases to 12,000 yards
CA Kako engages CA Pensacola at 12,000 yards
CA Louisville engages CA Furutaka at 12,000 yards
CA Pensacola engages CA Kinugasa at 12,000 yards
CA Louisville engages CL Tenryu at 12,000 yards
CA Kako engages CL Perth at 12,000 yards
DD Hayate engages DD Le Triomphant at 12,000 yards
DD Oite engages DD Stuart at 12,000 yards
DD Uzuki engages DD Le Triomphant at 12,000 yards
DD Yayoi engages DD Voyager at 12,000 yards
DD Kisaragi engages DD Stuart at 12,000 yards
Task forces break off...

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Kavieng at 106,122, Range 23,000 Yards

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
Seagull V: 1 destroyed

Japanese Ships
CA Aoba, Shell hits 7, heavy fires
CA Kinugasa, Shell hits 2
CA Furutaka, Shell hits 1
CA Kako
CL Tenryu
DD Kisaragi, Shell hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Yayoi, Shell hits 1
DD Uzuki
DD Oite, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Hayate, Shell hits 1, on fire

Allied Ships
CA Louisville, Shell hits 1, on fire
CA Pensacola, Shell hits 1
CA Australia, Shell hits 1
CA Canberra
CL Leander, Shell hits 1
CL Achilles
CL Perth, Shell hits 8, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Stuart
DD Voyager, Shell hits 1
DD Le Triomphant, Shell hits 1, on fire

Maximum visibility in Clear Conditions: 30,000 yards
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 23,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 23,000 yards
CA Furutaka engages CL Achilles at 23,000 yards
CA Pensacola engages CA Furutaka at 23,000 yards
CA Pensacola engages CA Aoba at 23,000 yards
CL Perth engages CA Furutaka at 23,000 yards
CA Furutaka engages CL Leander at 23,000 yards
CL Perth engages DD Yayoi at 23,000 yards
Range closes to 17,000 yards
CA Furutaka engages CA Canberra at 17,000 yards
CA Furutaka engages CA Pensacola at 17,000 yards
CA Furutaka engages CA Louisville at 17,000 yards
CL Tenryu engages CL Perth at 17,000 yards
CA Furutaka engages CL Leander at 17,000 yards
DD Yayoi engages DD Le Triomphant at 17,000 yards
DD Kisaragi engages DD Le Triomphant at 17,000 yards
Range closes to 13,000 yards
CA Canberra engages CA Furutaka at 13,000 yards
CA Kinugasa engages CL Perth at 13,000 yards
CA Kinugasa engages CL Perth at 13,000 yards
DD Le Triomphant engages DD Hayate at 13,000 yards
DD Oite engages DD Le Triomphant at 13,000 yards
DD Uzuki engages DD Le Triomphant at 13,000 yards
DD Yayoi engages DD Le Triomphant at 13,000 yards
DD Kisaragi engages DD Stuart at 13,000 yards
Range closes to 8,000 yards
CL Perth engages CA Furutaka at 8,000 yards
CL Leander engages CA Kinugasa at 8,000 yards
CA Pensacola engages CA Aoba at 8,000 yards
CL Perth engages CA Kinugasa at 8,000 yards
CA Kinugasa engages CL Achilles at 8,000 yards
CL Leander engages DD Oite at 8,000 yards
DD Uzuki engages DD Le Triomphant at 8,000 yards
CL Perth engages DD Yayoi at 8,000 yards
CL Perth engages DD Kisaragi at 8,000 yards
Sawa, Masao orders Japanese TF to disengage
Range increases to 10,000 yards
CA Kinugasa engages CA Canberra at 10,000 yards
CA Aoba engages CA Louisville at 10,000 yards
CL Perth engages CA Furutaka at 10,000 yards
CL Achilles engages DD Hayate at 10,000 yards
DD Le Triomphant engages DD Oite at 10,000 yards
DD Yayoi engages DD Le Triomphant at 10,000 yards
DD Yayoi engages DD Stuart at 10,000 yards
Range increases to 12,000 yards
CA Aoba engages CA Canberra at 12,000 yards
CA Australia engages CA Aoba at 12,000 yards
CA Kinugasa engages CL Perth at 12,000 yards
CA Louisville engages CA Aoba at 12,000 yards
CA Pensacola engages CL Tenryu at 12,000 yards
DD Hayate engages DD Le Triomphant at 12,000 yards
CL Leander engages CA Kinugasa at 12,000 yards
DD Hayate engages DD Le Triomphant at 12,000 yards
DD Voyager engages DD Oite at 12,000 yards
DD Kisaragi engages DD Le Triomphant at 12,000 yards
Range increases to 15,000 yards
CA Canberra engages CA Aoba at 15,000 yards
CA Canberra engages CA Furutaka at 15,000 yards
CA Aoba engages CA Louisville at 15,000 yards
DD Hayate engages DD Voyager at 15,000 yards
DD Voyager engages DD Oite at 15,000 yards
DD Le Triomphant engages DD Yayoi at 15,000 yards
DD Yayoi engages DD Voyager at 15,000 yards
DD Yayoi engages DD Stuart at 15,000 yards
Range increases to 18,000 yards
CA Furutaka engages CA Australia at 18,000 yards
CA Pensacola engages CA Furutaka at 18,000 yards
CA Aoba engages CL Achilles at 18,000 yards
CA Aoba engages CL Perth at 18,000 yards
CL Achilles engages CL Tenryu at 18,000 yards
DD Le Triomphant engages DD Uzuki at 18,000 yards
DD Le Triomphant engages DD Yayoi at 18,000 yards
DD Voyager engages DD Kisaragi at 18,000 yards
Range increases to 22,000 yards
CA Louisville engages CA Kinugasa at 22,000 yards
CA Pensacola engages CA Aoba at 22,000 yards
CL Perth engages CA Furutaka at 22,000 yards
CA Louisville engages DD Hayate at 22,000 yards
CA Australia engages DD Oite at 22,000 yards
CA Louisville engages DD Uzuki at 22,000 yards
CA Canberra engages DD Kisaragi at 22,000 yards
Range increases to 27,000 yards
CA Canberra engages CL Tenryu at 27,000 yards
CA Pensacola engages CL Tenryu at 27,000 yards
CA Pensacola engages CA Aoba at 27,000 yards
CA Pensacola engages DD Uzuki at 27,000 yards
CA Canberra engages DD Yayoi at 27,000 yards
CA Canberra engages DD Kisaragi at 27,000 yards
Range increases to 28,000 yards
CA Australia engages CA Aoba at 28,000 yards
CA Aoba engages CA Pensacola at 28,000 yards
CL Tenryu engages CA Louisville at 28,000 yards
CA Australia engages DD Oite at 28,000 yards
Task forces break off...

FDRLincoln · Post by **FDRLincoln** » Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:33 pm

A couple of my cruisers are beat up but will make it to Truk. Enemy reports cruiser Louisville is beat up but will survive.

FDRLincoln · Post by **FDRLincoln** » Tue Mar 20, 2012 3:10 pm

Observant readers may note that the IJN destroyers present in this battle were obsolete types, and the CAs were my four oldest/weakest. They acquitted themselves well considering the Allied force was somewhat stronger.

FDRLincoln · Post by **FDRLincoln** » Tue Mar 20, 2012 7:33 pm

Loss of US submarine Stingray just showed up in the sunk ship report. This would coincide with an apparently successful ASW attack in the shallow water of the Yellow Sea a few turns ago. It could be FOW, but the combat animation showed this submarine getting pounded pretty bad, and she's a long way from home.

FDRLincoln · Post by **FDRLincoln** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 3:27 pm

1/10/1942 was a very bloody day. First, a pair of submarine attacks.
Submarine attack near Toyama at 113,56

Japanese Ships
xAK Mantai Maru, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Salmon

xAK Mantai Maru is sighted by SS Salmon
SS Salmon launches 2 torpedoes at xAK Mantai Maru
This ship was carrying resources. It has 50 sys and float damage but is just one hex from harbor and may survive

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Sub attack near Milne Bay at 99,134

Japanese Ships
SS I-16

Allied Ships
xAKL Hamakua, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
PG Moresby

Massive explosion on xAKL Hamakua
SS I-16 launches 2 torpedoes at xAKL Hamakua
I-16 diving deep ....
PG Moresby attacking submerged sub ....
PG Moresby is out of ASW ammo
PG Moresby is out of ASW ammo
PG Moresby fails to find sub, continues to search...
PG Moresby fails to find sub, continues to search...
PG Moresby attacking submerged sub ....
PG Moresby is out of ASW ammo
PG Moresby is out of ASW ammo
PG Moresby is out of ASW ammo
PG Moresby attacking submerged sub ....
PG Moresby is out of ASW ammo
PG Moresby is out of ASW ammo
PG Moresby is out of ASW ammo
PG Moresby is out of ASW ammo
PG Moresby is out of ASW ammo
Escort abandons search for sub

No confirmation of a sinking here

FDRLincoln · Post by **FDRLincoln** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 3:30 pm

A squadron of old destroyers on a nighttime sweep destroys a tanker.

Night Time Surface Combat, near Palembang at 48,91, Range 11,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Minekaze
DD Asagao
DD Fuyo
DD Karukaya
DD Kuri

Allied Ships
TK Strix, Shell hits 26, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk

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us sub finally hits something

cruiser battle

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ASW effort bears fruit

A bloody day

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