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RE: Alternative Cruiser Design Theory

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ORIGINAL: Terminus

The Hawkins class was very much the red-headed stepchild of the interwar RN cruiser fleet. At the beginning of the war, their armament suites were all over the place, with only Frobisher having something resembling its original fit.

Hawkins had four single 4in guns (basically an oversized gunboat), Effingham had nine single 6in guns with 4 4in singles as secondaries (Hawkins' primaries) and Frobisher had the original five 7.5-inchers.
Hawkins had been decommisioned and her 7.5" guns removed pre war.
Due to lack of dock space and a war she never got her main guns back.
All of the class were armed with 7.5", but for various reasons some were removed and replaced with 6" as per Effingham.
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RE: Alternative Cruiser Design Theory

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Correct, which is why I said "at the beginning of the war".
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RE: Alternative Cruiser Design Theory

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So if the Germans had developed a carrier force, how would this plane look as the German version of the SBD Dauntless? Basically an Ar-196 minus the floats.

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Here are a couple improved versions.


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Experimenting with a new preview method here. Might be kind of fun:

Here are some of the German ships I've been working on.



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RE: Alternative Cruiser Design Theory

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New toys for the Kriegsmarine. Good work!
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RE: Plan 8-8-8 From Outerspace!

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ORIGINAL: Gary Childress

[center]Just when you thought it was safe to go swimming in the Pacific! [/center]

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[center]THAT'S RIGHT FOLKS, THIS MOD IS BRAVE! IT'S DARING! IT'S SIMPLE AND............................[/center]

[center] IT'S HISTORICALLY COMPLETE DONKEY EXCREMENT![/center]

[center]THE ALTERNATIVE HISTORY OF WW 2: [/center]

[center]A LONG TIME AGO... IN A GALAXY FAR FAR AWAY...[/center]
Queen Amadala...err...The roaring twenties almost collapse into a horrific Great Depression. State socialism begins to take root in much of the civilized world and thanks to massive government intervention in the world economies, the nations of the world manage to pull out of an economic nose dive. With greatly increased spending on their war machines, an artificial boom is created in the late 1920s through 1930s, leading up to a turbulent future. Attempts are made to stem the tide of militarism but none of the participant nations are able to come to any arms limitation agreements. In 1922 The Washington Treaty falls dead on its inception. A second attempt in London in 1930 fails as well.

A new age of naval experimentalism begins to take shape. Without treaties limiting their size and guns, the line between cruisers and capital ships slowly begins to fade as newer and heavier cruisers, mounting larger and larger guns and armor begin to appear. In 1932, after reviving the German economy Hitler and the National Socialist party begin a massive rearmament of Germany. Almost immediately the Z plan is put into effect to rebuild the German navy to make it once again a contender for world domination of the ocean.

Meanwhile Japan's 8-8-8 plan takes on a life of its own with the design in 1930 of the Yamato class 18" super Battleship. A new type of warship has also begun to emerge. The aircraft carrier begins to take shape. Immediately the navies of the world begin to see its potential.

In September 1939 Germany invades Poland. The next spring, France falls. Fortunately this time the French colonies doggedly resist German occupation of their homeland and continue on helping in the Allied war effort to liberate France. The remnants of the French Navy seek shelter in the Caribbean and Pacific from the German juggernaut. Hitler wisely decides not to invade the USSR and the USSR stays neutral for the entire war. Instead Hitler decides to concentrate his efforts on conquering the oil rich Middle East. After taking Malta, and Gibraltar the Africa Corps defeat Montgomery and the 8th Army. In the ensuing rout of the British army Germany takes control of the Middle East and India. The British Isles remarkably hang on and defeat operation Sea Lion in 1940 and again in 1941. However, the British Empire is in ruins. By August 1942, all that remains of the commonwealth are the home Isles, British Africa, Australia, Canada and Malaysia.

In the fall of 1942 things quiet down as Hitler contemplates his next moves. The British are in no position to move against Fortress Europe and the Soviets seem content to sit back and watch as the Western powers destroy each other. But to play it safe Hitler diverts substantial resources from fortress France to fortify Eastern Europe to ensure Stalin’s neutrality.

Unfortunately for the Japanese, Germany’s control of the Middle East doesn’t do Japan a whole of good. China, French Indochina and British Malaysia stand in the way to stop precious German oil from reaching them and there is only one logical course of action left. The Japanese must seize control of the supply lines from the Middle East to the homeland. Everyone knows this so no one is caught off guard on December 6th 1942 when the Japanese finally declare war on the Allies and the US.

It’s December 7th 1942, Admiral, the fate of the world hangs in the balance.



[center]Plan 8-8-8 Light has been posted to my website: https://sites.google.com/site/garyswitpsite/[/center]
Plan 8-8-8 Light is simply the addition of numerous extra battleships to the stock game and was simply a quick and easy mod to incorporate some new art. Plan 8-8-8 Deluxe will feature an almost complete reworking of the entire WITP database.

CREDITS: Big B, Tomlabel and JWE are mostly to thank for the ship art in this mod, most of the ships are simply reworks of their magnificent art for AE.
Thank you Cathartes for the wonderful plane tops as well as all the stock AE plane sides (except for the Germans and Italians which are my doing). German and Italian plane sides are here thanks to all the wonderful and talented artists on the Internet who have posted their art, which I've combed through and resized and brushed up for my own uses. I wish I knew who the artists were but I have no idea. I've just collected a lot of sides in my scouring of the Internet over the years.
Gary -I never said so (I don't think) - but I love your thread and title [:)]
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RE: Plan 8-8-8 From Outerspace!

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ORIGINAL: Big B
Gary -I never said so (I don't think) - but I love your thread and title [:)]

Many thanks Big B! It's great to see you're still around the forums! [:)]
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RE: Alternative Cruiser Design Theory

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ORIGINAL: Gary Childress

Experimenting with a new preview method here. Might be kind of fun:

Here are some of the German ships I've been working on.



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When we will see the art of this ? [;)][:D][:D]
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RE: Alternative Cruiser Design Theory

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ORIGINAL: traskott

ORIGINAL: Gary Childress

Experimenting with a new preview method here. Might be kind of fun:

Here are some of the German ships I've been working on.



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When we will see the art of this ? [;)][:D][:D]

Hopefully if my mod ever gets completed. [:D]
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RE: Alternative Cruiser Design Theory

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ever? What means "ever"?

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Now seriously, I will be very grateful if u make more ship art of the new ships you and the other guys are talking about.

Thanks [:)]
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RE: Alternative Cruiser Design Theory

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Hmmm. Been doing a little toying around with a slightly smaller scenario. Maybe I'll call this one Plan 8-8-8: Express. I'm thinking a smaller scenario will be easier to finish than this humungus thing I've been toying around with. Scenario length could be maybe 365 days with the following boundaries. This will be the island hopping version of Plan 8-8-8.

Now I just need ideas for how to do the scoring for this. I've split developed bases up evenly so each side has 57 developed bases. Both sides will also have a plethora of dot bases for potential development.

EDIT: Basically I'm giving the Germans French Polynesia, the commonwealth gets NZ and its protectorate. Each side will get most of it's supplies from their northern bases. Most Allied supply will come in San Francisco and most axis will come in Tokyo. A relatively small amount of supply will also trickle into NZ for the Allies and Tahiti for Axis.

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RE: Alternative Cruiser Design Theory

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Conceivably this would make a nice 4 player map with one player for each nationality, the Commonwealth Player would also get a small contingent of Free French in New Caledonia.

Basically this would be like WITP chess. I'd design it so that the sides are fairly even, and then have them fight over the bases to win via scoring the most points.

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RE: Alternative Cruiser Design Theory

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LOL, PanzerGrenadien at Noumea !!!??
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Noumea is on the other side of the map from the Germans. But yes, there could ultimately be Germans in Noumea.
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Noumea is on the other side of the map from the Germans. But yes, there could ultimately be Germans in Noumea.

THAT'S the point [:D].

Tigers on the beach... hummmmm...
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RE: Alternative Cruiser Design Theory

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ORIGINAL: traskott

ORIGINAL: Gary Childress

Noumea is on the other side of the map from the Germans. But yes, there could ultimately be Germans in Noumea.

THAT'S the point [:D].

Tigers on the beach... hummmmm...

There could be Tigers in Pago Pago too.
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RE: Alternative Cruiser Design Theory

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So should I ditch the Germans and just stick with the Japanese? Or is this scenario just hopeless from the outset?
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RE: Alternative Cruiser Design Theory

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Well, the "Germans" will be Japanese either way.
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RE: Alternative Cruiser Design Theory

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And Belushi would be right about the Germans attacking Pearl Harbor.
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