Women In the Infantry

[Missouri_Rebel]

Let me rephrase that. The push-back would have been so hard imo that he would have immediately rescinded the order.

Especially early to mid war.

Your thoughts?

Edit: Of course that really wasn't rephrased at all. Just thought out a little more.

Never really gave it much thought before.

[rodney727]

In the early part up to June 22nd 1941there was no need to deploy woman. By spring 1942 they would have made a difference on the eastern front. I think the nazis would have suppressed the causalties that went out to the public. I remember reading a soviet historian saying once that soviet woman equaled something like six army corps. They were mixed in with the men but no doubt helped defeat the nazies

[Missouri_Rebel]

Hmmm. Actually a very interesting question. I don't think you can hide those casualties for very long, especially when you are talking about the wives and daughters of the servicemen. Russia was fighting for their survival and the soviets considered their 'citizens' as mere cattle.

Just look how they treated their own POW's at the end of the war.

If America were invaded and the situation dire, well, I just don't know.

Would defeat be better or worse than the wholesale slaughter of our women citizens?

[rodney727]

True. Germany recovered her population quickly by keeping the woman at home. I don't think the soviets ever truly recovered hers.

[t001001001]

I've been outfought by women I'm not worried about their will.

I'm worried about logistics. Not in theater overall, but if a unit is cut off; how much shot and powder will be displaced by maxi pads. I'm thinking like an amateur.

[Missouri_Rebel]

ORIGINAL: t001001001

I've been outfought by women I'm not worried about their will.

I'm worried about logistics. Not in theater overall, but if a unit is cut off; how much shot and powder will be displaced by maxi pads. I'm thinking like an amateur.

Not knowing much about all that stuff I'd still have to say negligible. Is it worth it and is this what we want as a nation? Those are the questions.

Around here we still open the doors for women and the elderly. When I was in Chicago, I hurried and opened a door for a lady entering a convenience store. She thanked me with a dirty look and said 'My arms aren't broken'.

Her husband must be a lucky woman. [8|]

[rhondabrwn]

Guys, have I ever in this thread advocated weaker standards for women? I think I've been upfront that if a woman wants to be in combat they should meet all standards necessary to do the job. The standards should be relevant though and equally applied.

Someone commented about women just wanting to earn a Combat Infantry Badge... yea, the ticket to advancement if they want a military career. Can't blame them.

Sorry about the "baby machine" quote, it shouldn't have been a quote as no one said that, I think it was Steiner set me off on that one and I over-reacted with that response.

In the recent news... Minnesota woman goes to Canada to enlist, serving in the infantry in Afghanistan combat. In another case, American Jewish woman goes to Israel and is now serving in an all-female combat Battalion patrolling the Sinai border. Every other army in Europe except Britain allows women in combat units with no problems.

The logistics of tampons and maxi-pads can be resolved, I'm sure. All these other nations have managed and our Nato allies have been in combat with us in Afghanistan since the beginning so they aren't just a peacetime army with women.

Time will tell, but I think the Military seems to be taking this in stride from the articles I've read and aren't freaking out over it. It will be interesting to see how this works out. I salute those young women who want to take this final step towards equality in the military and wish them well. It's not something I would want to do though.

[rhondabrwn]

I think I'll shut up and go away for awhile now [:(]

[rodney727]

I have no doubt if America would be invaded that there would be a lot of very fine woman on the front lines. Remember 911 and the flight that crashed in Pennsylvania ? It was a woman leading the charge into the cockpit to down the plane. The voice recording still haunts me today.

ORIGINAL: Missouri_Rebel

Hmmm. Actually a very interesting question. I don't think you can hide those casualties for very long, especially when you are talking about the wives and daughters of the servicemen. Russia was fighting for their survival and the soviets considered their 'citizens' as mere cattle.

Just look how they treated their own POW's at the end of the war.

If America were invaded and the situation dire, well, I just don't know.

Would defeat be better or worse than the wholesale slaughter of our women citizens?

[Titanwarrior89]

Well, well I would just have to say, well huh....hmmm I("cough")would agree with you. I think we were little hard on you.........OK Everybody........Group Hug with Rhonda.[;)][:)]

ORIGINAL: rhondabrwn

Guys, have I ever in this thread advocated weaker standards for women? I think I've been upfront that if a woman wants to be in combat they should meet all standards necessary to do the job. The standards should be relevant though and equally applied.

Someone commented about women just wanting to earn a Combat Infantry Badge... yea, the ticket to advancement if they want a military career. Can't blame them.

Sorry about the "baby machine" quote, it shouldn't have been a quote as no one said that, I think it was Steiner set me off on that one and I over-reacted with that response.

In the recent news... Minnesota woman goes to Canada to enlist, serving in the infantry in Afghanistan combat. In another case, American Jewish woman goes to Israel and is now serving in an all-female combat Battalion patrolling the Sinai border. Every other army in Europe except Britain allows women in combat units with no problems.

The logistics of tampons and maxi-pads can be resolved, I'm sure. All these other nations have managed and our Nato allies have been in combat with us in Afghanistan since the beginning so they aren't just a peacetime army with women.

Time will tell, but I think the Military seems to be taking this in stride from the articles I've read and aren't freaking out over it. It will be interesting to see how this works out. I salute those young women who want to take this final step towards equality in the military and wish them well. It's not something I would want to do though.

[rhondabrwn]

ORIGINAL: Titanwarrior89

Well, well I would just have to say, well huh....hmmm I("cough")would agree with you. I think we were little hard on you.........OK Everybody........Group Hug with Rhonda.[;)][:)]

ORIGINAL: rhondabrwn

Guys, have I ever in this thread advocated weaker standards for women? I think I've been upfront that if a woman wants to be in combat they should meet all standards necessary to do the job. The standards should be relevant though and equally applied.

Someone commented about women just wanting to earn a Combat Infantry Badge... yea, the ticket to advancement if they want a military career. Can't blame them.

Sorry about the "baby machine" quote, it shouldn't have been a quote as no one said that, I think it was Steiner set me off on that one and I over-reacted with that response.

In the recent news... Minnesota woman goes to Canada to enlist, serving in the infantry in Afghanistan combat. In another case, American Jewish woman goes to Israel and is now serving in an all-female combat Battalion patrolling the Sinai border. Every other army in Europe except Britain allows women in combat units with no problems.

The logistics of tampons and maxi-pads can be resolved, I'm sure. All these other nations have managed and our Nato allies have been in combat with us in Afghanistan since the beginning so they aren't just a peacetime army with women.

Time will tell, but I think the Military seems to be taking this in stride from the articles I've read and aren't freaking out over it. It will be interesting to see how this works out. I salute those young women who want to take this final step towards equality in the military and wish them well. It's not something I would want to do though.

And a BIG HUG right back at ya {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ Forum Buddies }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

[GaryChildress]

ORIGINAL: rhondabrwn

Guys, have I ever in this thread advocated weaker standards for women? I think I've been upfront that if a woman wants to be in combat they should meet all standards necessary to do the job. The standards should be relevant though and equally applied.

Someone commented about women just wanting to earn a Combat Infantry Badge... yea, the ticket to advancement if they want a military career. Can't blame them.

Sorry about the "baby machine" quote, it shouldn't have been a quote as no one said that, I think it was Steiner set me off on that one and I over-reacted with that response.

In the recent news... Minnesota woman goes to Canada to enlist, serving in the infantry in Afghanistan combat. In another case, American Jewish woman goes to Israel and is now serving in an all-female combat Battalion patrolling the Sinai border. Every other army in Europe except Britain allows women in combat units with no problems.

The logistics of tampons and maxi-pads can be resolved, I'm sure. All these other nations have managed and our Nato allies have been in combat with us in Afghanistan since the beginning so they aren't just a peacetime army with women.

Time will tell, but I think the Military seems to be taking this in stride from the articles I've read and aren't freaking out over it. It will be interesting to see how this works out. I salute those young women who want to take this final step towards equality in the military and wish them well. It's not something I would want to do though.

Agree 100% with you rhondabrwn. [:)]

[rhondabrwn]

ORIGINAL: Gary Childress

ORIGINAL: rhondabrwn

Guys, have I ever in this thread advocated weaker standards for women? I think I've been upfront that if a woman wants to be in combat they should meet all standards necessary to do the job. The standards should be relevant though and equally applied.

Someone commented about women just wanting to earn a Combat Infantry Badge... yea, the ticket to advancement if they want a military career. Can't blame them.

Sorry about the "baby machine" quote, it shouldn't have been a quote as no one said that, I think it was Steiner set me off on that one and I over-reacted with that response.

In the recent news... Minnesota woman goes to Canada to enlist, serving in the infantry in Afghanistan combat. In another case, American Jewish woman goes to Israel and is now serving in an all-female combat Battalion patrolling the Sinai border. Every other army in Europe except Britain allows women in combat units with no problems.

The logistics of tampons and maxi-pads can be resolved, I'm sure. All these other nations have managed and our Nato allies have been in combat with us in Afghanistan since the beginning so they aren't just a peacetime army with women.

Time will tell, but I think the Military seems to be taking this in stride from the articles I've read and aren't freaking out over it. It will be interesting to see how this works out. I salute those young women who want to take this final step towards equality in the military and wish them well. It's not something I would want to do though.

Agree 100% with you rhondabrwn. [:)]

Thanks Gary

[Jim D Burns]

Katie Petronio is a USMC captain with two combat deployments. Her words speak volumes about the differences between men and women that women activists simply don't want to admit. Of note listen to her comments at 5:02, it speaks to the need to 'protect' women due to their inability to cope with the job they so desperately think they can handle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FABcQRv2vQ

With just two women in the Platoon she managed to get herself and the other female through their tour, but both of them were very sick and worn down even though they stayed in the vehicles as much as possible. Now imagine the problems you'll have with 10 or more females in a platoon, no way you can safely hide them all in their vehicles and still manage to achieve your mission tasks. Not to mention how pissed the men will be having to do their own jobs and the jobs of the women who aren't capable of cutting it.

It's not sexism, it's a fact of life. Women cannot handle the same level of physical demands that men can handle in combat. There are plenty of jobs women can do and are currently doing in the military, combat duty is not one of them and should never be one. People are going to end up dying because of this political correctness crap.

Jim

[berto]

Katie Petronio's viewpoint closely matches my own. Good link, good woman, good Marine.

[GaryChildress]

Why is it then that the Isaeli Defense Force seems to think it OK for women to serve in frontline combat? Have women been a detriment to the IDF? [&:]

[berto]

Maybe because they're outnumbered by, what?, 20:1? Maybe they have no practical choice? We, however, do.

[GaryChildress]

ORIGINAL: berto


Maybe because they're outnumbered by, what?, 20:1? Maybe they have no practical choice? We, however, do.

Doesn't that serve as some proof, though, that women are capable of serving on the front line? And if they are capable and want to contribute to the defense of their country, shouldn't they be allowed to?

[berto]

ORIGINAL: Gary Childress

ORIGINAL: berto

Maybe because they're outnumbered by, what?, 20:1? Maybe they have no practical choice? We, however, do.

Doesn't that serve as some proof, though, that women are capable of serving on the front line? And if they are capable and want to contribute to the defense of their country, shouldn't they be allowed to?

No, maybe it just proves the Israelis are desperate.

I think that women should have nearly equal opportunity to serve in the military, not just "in the trenches" in the front-line infantry alongside the men.

[GaryChildress]

ORIGINAL: berto

ORIGINAL: Gary Childress

ORIGINAL: berto

Maybe because they're outnumbered by, what?, 20:1? Maybe they have no practical choice? We, however, do.

Doesn't that serve as some proof, though, that women are capable of serving on the front line? And if they are capable and want to contribute to the defense of their country, shouldn't they be allowed to?

No, maybe it just proves the Israelis are desperate.

So based on the fact that women serve in combat roles in the IDF doesn't prove that women are capable of doing so? Are women a detriment to the IDF? EDIT: And if they are a detriment then why would the IDF deploy them if they will reduce combat effectiveness of the IDF?