I hope Matrix doesnt make us use STEAM to buy games in the future

[Alchenar]

ORIGINAL: Missouri_Rebel

As I stated previously, I was late to the party with Steam, but I have bought several in the past year, 2 this past week. I bought 2 huge games with tons of content for $40.

Again, if they gave me the executable I'd be much happier to spend my money there.

I used to feel this way, but then looking back on it there was a tipping point (probably around a Christmas sale where I got something like 5 games for £20) where suddenly a majority of the games I was actively playing were through Steam and then using anything else just becomes a (minor) hassle.

It's just like moving your music collection from stacks of dozens of CDs/records to a huge portion of your hard-drive to Spotify. Every time you make that leap you get the sense of losing your grip on 'owning' something tangible but actually once you get over it you realise the massive convenience is worth it.

[histgamer]

Yes and no, it's certainly true in the short term. The interesting thing will be how consumers react to the inevitable closing of one of the larger streaming services where customers have built up a library that would vanish in an instant. That's something that's really yet to happen but at some point it will.

ORIGINAL: Alchenar

ORIGINAL: Missouri_Rebel

As I stated previously, I was late to the party with Steam, but I have bought several in the past year, 2 this past week. I bought 2 huge games with tons of content for $40.

Again, if they gave me the executable I'd be much happier to spend my money there.

I used to feel this way, but then looking back on it there was a tipping point (probably around a Christmas sale where I got something like 5 games for £20) where suddenly a majority of the games I was actively playing were through Steam and then using anything else just becomes a (minor) hassle.

It's just like moving your music collection from stacks of dozens of CDs/records to a huge portion of your hard-drive to Spotify. Every time you make that leap you get the sense of losing your grip on 'owning' something tangible but actually once you get over it you realise the massive convenience is worth it.

[aaatoysandmore]

ORIGINAL: Missouri_Rebel

(which is incidentally more than I can say for Matrix's system)

You clearly don't know what you are talking about. There are no such restrictions on any Matrix games.

He's talking baloney as these games though they exist are ancient games of the past or 3rd party indie games that nobody's heard of or better yet.... wants. Certainly no AAA titles or more recent mainstream games. Plus he's talking about Matrix's games drm which they do have and these no name games or ancient rejects don't have any cd code to put in.

[aaatoysandmore]

ORIGINAL: Missouri_Rebel

As I stated previously, I was late to the party with Steam, but I have bought several in the past year, 2 this past week. I bought 2 huge games with tons of content for $40.

Again, if they gave me the executable I'd be much happier to spend my money there.

What you bought was merely a license to play a game, if you had actually bought the game you would have the right an ability to sell it. If you read the EULA of Steam you do not have that right or ownership of the game. Most people don't read the fine print and that is why they praise steam so. You have a library of licenses, but you do not have a library of owned games. Steam can take them away from you at any time and there's nothing you can do about it.

[t001001001]

Steam is convenient. You don't have to run the steam client... - unless ur using it to install a game u bought onto another computer. Or something crazy like that....

Anyway. When I see a game I want, I search first to see if it's on steam. It's so easy to buy from them and every game I ever bought is on file and downloadable to any PC I own.


I will not buy a single game that requires steam

You prolly will eventually [8D] And then you'll realize it's nothing but a convenient store of gaming [8D]

[bean5671]

ORIGINAL: t001001001

Steam is convenient. You don't have to run the steam client... - unless ur using it to install a game u bought onto another computer. Or something crazy like that....

Anyway. When I see a game I want, I search first to see if it's on steam. It's so easy to buy from them and every game I ever bought is on file and downloadable to any PC I own.


I will not buy a single game that requires steam

You prolly will eventually [8D] And then you'll realize it's nothing but a convenient store of gaming [8D]

no i will not, steam = DRM to me!!
i got stung by starforce years ago and will not buy anything that has DRM
this coming from a guy that works for Autodesk is a bit hypocritical i know lol
take CIV 5 and homefront I have both paid for both but run them without steam it takes a little work but it can be done i will not install DRM of anytype on my system i will buy the game and crack it myself or find a cracked version to run

[gradenko2k]

ORIGINAL: Missouri_Rebel

(which is incidentally more than I can say for Matrix's system)

You clearly don't know what you are talking about. There are no such restrictions on any Matrix games.

I was really hoping I was wrong on this, so I tested it: I copied my Decisive Campaigns Warsaw to Paris and War in the East folders from my desktop to a thumbdrive, plugged the thumbdrive into my laptop, and tried to run the executables directly. The games would refuse to run, citing a "problem with your serial number", ostensibly because the serial doesn't exist yet on the laptop's registry because I didn't install it.

Doing the same to my Steam copy of DEFCON worked.

http://steam.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games

[dublish]

ORIGINAL: aaatoysandmore

What you bought was merely a license to play a game, if you had actually bought the game you would have the right an ability to sell it. If you read the EULA of Steam you do not have that right or ownership of the game. Most people don't read the fine print and that is why they praise steam so. You have a library of licenses, but you do not have a library of owned games. Steam can take them away from you at any time and there's nothing you can do about it.

First, Steam's EULA (steam_install_agreement.rtf in your Steam folder if you need help finding it) applies only to the Steam program, and not to any software purchased or downloaded through Steam. Those have their own license agreements.

Second:

ORIGINAL: Slitherine End User's Agreement

SINGLE USE SOFTWARE LICENSE AGREEMENT
SINGLE USE SOFTWARE LICENSE AGREEMENT
READ THIS SOFTWARE LICENSE AGREEMENT ("LICENSE") CAREFULLY BEFORE
PROCEEDING TO INSTALL THE SOFTWARE. BY PRESSING "AGREE," YOU AGREE TO
BE BOUND BY THE TERMS OF THIS LICENSE. IF YOU DO NOT AGREE TO THE TERMS
OF THIS LICENSE, PRESS "DISAGREE". THIS LICENSE AGREEMENT IS A LEGALLY
BINDING CONTRACT BETWEEN YOU AND SLITHERINE LTD. AND/OR ITS
SUBSIDIARIES, AFFILIATES OR SUB LICENSEES.
1. General. This software product in its entirety is copyrighted and is
protected by international law. The software and any accompanying
documentation or media including this License whether on disk, in
read only memory, or in any other form is licensed, not sold, to you by
Slitherine Ltd. and is for use only under the terms of this License.
Slitherine reserve all rights not expressly granted to you. The rights
granted herein are limited and do not include any patents or
intellectual property rights. Slitherine expressly retains ownership of
the Software itself.

I've bolded the relevant sentence there. All you're getting from Slitherine (or Paradox, CA, EA, and every other software publisher in the world) is merely a license.

Third, the right to sell used software licenses is still in a legal grey area. The European Court of Justice ruled last year that first acquirers, second acquirers, and any subsequent acquirers of a license retain the right to sell it (unfortunately I'm not allowed to link to the text of the decision, the case was UsedSoft GmbH v Oracle International Corp.). I'm not aware of any similar legal decisions in the US or UK, but it's certainly not definitively settled.

[IainMcNeil]

This is getting way off track guys and getting very personal so I am going to lock it up before someone says something they get regret.