Presidential Patch or Matrix Elections?

[fbastos]

Bumped to the Meathouse

[2ndACR]

Once again, lets move this to the Steakhouse. This is nuetral ground here. What is said over there about politics and other countries should not be brought back here.

This is for WITP not politics. Even though I am mighty tempted to start bashing.

http://prochelo.com/stl-web/bulletin/bb/index.php

[Tankerace]

Woo, a working link, thanks.

[Titanwarrior89]

The election will come first by a long shot.[:'(]

[Tankerace]

Yea, I am betting the election will come, then the patch, then the next president. In that order.

[2ndACR]

There is now a thread in the Steakhouse for any of you lefty's and euros that want to play.

Come to the lions den and spout this crap.

[Tankerace]

Shall we let loose the dogs o' war?

So, lets all go to the steakhouse, and end this thread. Let us continue to be friends and play Witp, regardless of Communist, leftist, right-wing, or whatever political views.

[fbastos]

Oh, **THAT** is the steakhouse..

I was wondering what that meant.

Okies, bumping last post.

[2ndACR]

Lets see how many really want to debate the crap they spew. Bring it on.

But be fore warned, you may get mauled.

[Reiryc]

ORIGINAL: forrange

Just one question in this context: Why is footage on returning coffins and badly injured soldiers from Iraq systematically suppressed? I know of no other example of such willing (self-)censorship in another free country. Is this a liberal attitude or does it benefit conservatives guessing that their reasons for this war were too weak for the public to support this mounting casualty list?

This policy was created under the clinton administration.

I for myself - believe it or not - am a big fan of the US of A, historical achievements, the American way of life. I'd even say most of the Europeans are. What is not realized by Americans is that over here most observers clearly divide between the American folks on the streets and their government.

Maybe some of you should realize that over here, quite a few of us don't take kindly to this view.

I'd sit together anytime with American tourists and have a good time. But it's hard to understand how blindly you follow your leadership, even more so since the circumstances how Bush became president were disgusting.

There is nothing disgusting about how he came to be president beyond Gore and the DNC injecting doubts into the american voting process. Bush has been shown, but many independent recounts after the whole fiasco, to be the winner. The LA Times, known for it's left wing views even declared bush the winner with it's own recount afterwards.

In Europe we had some utter bad experiences with leaders with absolute power, therefore it's hard to take for example how easy you can forgive to be lead into war with weak if not plain false reasons given.

Because there is no leader here with absolute power. It's comparisons such as these that go too far.

So my question to you: How do you cope with the fact that the arsenal of weapons of mass distruction in Iraq has turned out to be non-existent?

I cope with it the following way:

WMD's were a primary reason for going to war, but not the only reason. In bush's speech prior to the war he listed humanitarian reasons such as removing saddam from power.

I also deal with the fact that iraq was in violation of resolution 1441 by 'failing to declare weapons either by omission or deceit' in iraq's weapons declaration. As far as I'm concerned, we should have resumed the war upon the first transgression of the ceasefire treaty, not 12 years later.

Lastly, I'm pretty pleased that 25 million people no longer are ruled by such a megalomaniacal dictator.

And do you still believe that there was a link between Saddam and Al Qaida and 9/11?

I never thought there was. However he did support terrorist activities by providing money to the families of suicide bombers in israel. That kind of behavior and attitude needs to be stamped out in the middle east.

Are you happy with how things turned out in Iraq after the military victory?

For the most part, yes. We have done many many positive things in iraq, much more so than the negative. However, since it doesn't bleed, it doesn't lead.

Do you really think this has lead to more sympathy towards the US in the potential pool of terrorists? If not, how can you still support Bush with his war on terror strategy?

I realize that after the US started bombing germany that germany would create more fighter squadrons to defend against such an offensive. This doesn't mean that bombing the reich shouldn't have been done simply because it creates more resistance.

By the way: I'd never say Kerry is an ideal choice, but there's no other choice in my eyes to avoid the certainty of even more porcellain broken during a second Bush presidency.

I'd rather bush(although he isn't receiving my vote) to kerry any day. Kerry's activities after he came back from the vietnam war, specifically his direct support of our enemies peace proposal that was not favorable to the US smacks of treason to me... "giving aid and comfort". Add this to his yurupean socialist tendencies and he is wrong for america, much more so than bush is.

[fbastos]

Second bump

[Tophat]

hmmmn,
So far no takers in the steakhouse....dissapointing [:-] There is that nasty finger wag again......

[Tankerace]

Awww, the Liberals don't want a taste of their own medicine do they?

[Mr.Frag]

Die thread Die!

[Tankerace]

hahahahaha. No, we want 'em to come to the steakhouse. we do want this one to die.

[Mr.Frag]

Thats about the ONLY reason this thread still lives ... the nice link to elsewhere [:D]

[Tankerace]

[:D]

[fbastos]

Are you kidding? That place is scary!!

Look at someone's avatar there...

Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...



I'm kind of more comfortable with avatars like mine...

[2ndACR]

That would be Nefarious. Just stay out of the outhouse if you have a weak stomach.

[fbastos]

Me going there would be like Kennedy in his PT-109 running right into Tokyo Bay on 1942...

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