CHS Pending Change List

[Lemurs!]

One American Artillery battalion from the pre war convoy that was supposed to go to the Phillipines ended up there, the 1/131st artillery.

Mike

[TIMJOT]

ORIGINAL: bstarr

Also . . .
The last few posts here have brought up a question that's been hounding me. What non-dutch units were involved in defending Java?

If I understand correctly there were two brit hurricane squadrons mentioned above & at least one US cat squadron from Phillipines. Were there any of the squadrons from Singapore as often happens in my games? Any land units?
bs

Some of the other Air units:

1)There were two other Hurricane Squadrons, NOs. 242. and 605 squadrons. Their Hurricanes however were not ferried but delivered crated and assembled on Java. Their personel were a mix bag of Brits, Aussies, Kiwis and even a few Yanks.

2)The remnants of the Singapore/Malaya fighter
squadrons were folded into 232 and 258 squadrons and fought in Sumatra and Java.

3)Nos. 84 & 211 Bomber Squadrons ( Blenheim Mk IVs ) via the Mideast. As with the fighters remnants from Malaya Bomber Squadrons were folded into these squadrons on Sumatra and Java.

4)An USAAF P-40E Squadron the 17th "Provisional" Pursuit Squadron, actually an amalgation of several Provisional squadrons that arrived on Java piecemeal.

5)Part of the USAAF 19th Bombardment group ( B-17D & E ) from the PI.

6)Part of the USAAF 7th Bombardment group ( B-17E and LB-30s ) via the So. America/Africa/India ferry route.

7)USAAF 91st Lt. Bombardment Squadron ( A-24s )

Other Land units.

An advance Squadron of Lt. Tanks from the 7th Arm. Bgd. and a Pioneer and MG Bn from the 7th Aus. Division became known as Blackforce

77th Heavy and 48th Lt AA Regts.

[TIMJOT]

ORIGINAL: Iron Duke


Also checked 'Bloody Shambles' and there appears to have been two 232 sqdns one operating out of Selatar on 25 jan 42 and the 2nd 232 sqdn onbourd Indomitable onroute for Java.

Yes 50 Crated Hurricanes were delivered to Singapore in January along with a mix bag of pilots and ground personel for 232 squadron. This adhoc unit was temporarily designated 232 squadron but eventually folded back into 232 squadron proper on Sumatra

The only thing i can definately state is ' I'm easily confused'

Yeah me too. You Brits sure dont make it easy. Shuffeling personel not to mention nationalities between squadrons, disbanding and reforming and renaming squadrons at the drop of a hat. Take No 258 squadron for example. Completely destroyed and disbanded on Java. A few surviing pilots escape to Ceylon were they are folded into K Squadron, renamed 131 Squadron and then re-renamed as a reborn 258 squadron all in a matter of days. WTF?

[Don Bowen]

It's not just the Brits. Here's a few days in the life of a U.S. Marine Squadron:

On September 13, 1942 was VMSB-244
On September 14, 1942 became VMSB-242
On September 15, 1942 became VMF-215

On June 1, 1943 a new VMSB-242 was created

[Tanaka]

ORIGINAL: Don Bowen


This is the change list for airgroups. In addition, all groups whose aircraft have been adjusted were refreshed to pick up the new aircraft data.

012: 12th Hvy.Sentai - mission changed to ground attack
013: 60th Hvy.Sentai - mission changed to ground attack
022: F2/64th Ftr.Chutai - Experience changed from 0 to 80, morale changed from 0 to 80
106: 82nd Lt. Chutai - New Unit at Canton with 12 Ki-30
109: 47th Ftr.Sentai - Experience changed from 75 to 80, morale changed from 75 to 80
110: 44th Lt.Sentai - Mission set to Port Attack, Experience changed from 0 to 80, morale changed from 0 to 80
138: 52nd Ftr.Sentai - Availability changed from 440415 to 440115
144: 30th Ftr.Sentai - Availability changed from 430615 to 430315
147: 45th Lt.Sentai - Moved from Osaka to Canton (400), aircraft changed from Ki-32 to Ki-36, Availability changed from 420115 to 411206, Mission set to Ground Attack and target set to Hong Kong (421)
163: 22nd Ftr.Sentai - Availability changed from 440315 to 430315
189: 13th Ftr.Sentai - Availability changed from 430415 to 430315
200: 4th Ftr.Sentai - Availability changed from 440415 to 440115
209: 51st Ftr.Sentai - Availability changed from 440415 to 440115
210: 55th Ftr.Sentai - Availability changed from 430515 to 430415
214: 19th Ftr.Sentai - Availability changed from 430215 to 430115
220: F1/Tainan Daitai - moved to new (combined) Takao (362)
221: F2/Tainan Daitai - moved to new (combined) Takao (362)
222: F3/Tainan Daitai - moved to new (combined) Takao (362)
223: R4/Tainan Chutai - moved to new (combined) Takao (362)
224: G1/1st Daitai - moved to new (combined) Takao (362)
225: G2/1st Chutai - moved to new (combined) Takao (362)
226: T1/21st Chutai - moved to new (combined) Takao (362)
275: G1/Chitose Daitai - Mission set to Airfield Attack, Target set to Wake Island (847)
276: G2/Chitose Daitai - Mission set to Airfield Attack, Target set to Wake Island (847)
311: B2/Yokosuka Chutai - Group Class changed to daitai (4), Max Aircraft changed to 27
346: A1/China Chutai - Mission set to Naval Interdiction
478: FF1/802nd Chutai - Max and Ready aircraft set to 27
507: DI-1 Daitai - Damaged aircraft changed from 0 to 2
508: DI-3 Daitai - Mission set to Port Attack
1766: S4/GVT-11 - Group deleted, Tromp did not carry an aircraft.

did u guys look into putting the 124: 71st Lt. Chutai and the 125: 73rd Lt. Chutai in China on ground attack missions as well???

as it is now they are on naval attack and they are way inland....

[Captain Cruft]

Pitcairn Island eh? Are we going to see HMS Bounty and Cpt Bligh I wonder ...

Love it BTW

[Don Bowen]

ORIGINAL: Tanaka

did u guys look into putting the 124: 71st Lt. Chutai and the 125: 73rd Lt. Chutai in China on ground attack missions as well???

as it is now they are on naval attack and they are way inland....

I'm showing the 71t Lt Chutai (#124) and 73rd Lt Chutai (#125) at Chengting as having no air mission assigned (available for AI to assign). Do you have something different in your copy??

[Captain Cruft]

If there is no mission assigned the AI will set it to Naval Attack primary Airfield Attack secondary.

[Tanaka]

ORIGINAL: Don Bowen

ORIGINAL: Tanaka

did u guys look into putting the 124: 71st Lt. Chutai and the 125: 73rd Lt. Chutai in China on ground attack missions as well???

as it is now they are on naval attack and they are way inland....

I'm showing the 71t Lt Chutai (#124) and 73rd Lt Chutai (#125) at Chengting as having no air mission assigned (available for AI to assign). Do you have something different in your copy??

sorry i wasnt looking in the editor but in the first turn in game....

[Don Bowen]

ORIGINAL: Captain Cruft

Pitcairn Island eh? Are we going to see HMS Bounty and Cpt Bligh I wonder ...

Love it BTW

Sounds good to me - can you get the canoe full of girls from LargeSlowTarget's avatar??

[EasilyConfused]

Not to be impatient or anything, but whats the rough timeframe for the upcoming release? I'm wondering if I should wait on starting a new game.

[Don Bowen]

ORIGINAL: EasilyConfused

Not to be impatient or anything, but whats the rough timeframe for the upcoming release? I'm wondering if I should wait on starting a new game.

Only one more piece to come in and CHS will be ready. Between this and the completion of the V1.5x upgrade cycle, it might be best to wait a few more days before starting a game.

[Andrew Brown]

ORIGINAL: Don Bowen
Only one more piece to come in and CHS will be ready. Between this and the completion of the V1.5x upgrade cycle, it might be best to wait a few more days before starting a game.

Good point - are we going to hold off on the next release of CHS until the new OOB fixes from 1.5x are out (or are manually added)? I think that would be a very good idea, even if it slows things down a little.

And now for some late mail. I have finally done something I have been meaning to do for a while now - do a very quick audit of Indian resources, supply, fuel and oil. I think that my original suggestion of adding 300 daily oil to the Middle East base was too generous. It leaves India - not including Burma - with a total of 750 oil/day when this is added in, as opposed to 450/day in the original scenario 15. I think that fuel supply levels could be reduces as well. Resources and supply are already lower than the official scenario so I think that these can be left alone, at least for now.

Here are my suggestions for modifying fuel and oil supply levels for Indian bases:

Middle East - from 300 oil/day daily oil to 200 oil/day.
- from 8000 fuel/day to 4000.
Lahore - from 50 oil to 30 (cuts daily oil from 300 to 180).
Dacca - from 25 oil to 20 oil (cuts daily oil from 150 to 120).
Bombay - from 2000 fuel/day to 1000.

This lowers the total daily oil supply from 750 to 500, and daily fuel from 11000 to 6000 for India. I have just plucked these reductions from the air, to achieve the general levels I think we could use.

Any comments on this would be appreciated. I would also like to review the supply levels in North America, which I will try to do when I get some more free time.

Andrew

[Don Bowen]

ORIGINAL: Andrew Brown

Good point - are we going to hold off on the next release of CHS until the new OOB fixes from 1.5x are out (or are manually added)? I think that would be a very good idea, even if it slows things down a little.

The announced OOB changes are already reviewed and in (we had picked up a number of the items during our earlier review of ships).

And now for some late mail. I have finally done something I have been meaning to do for a while now - do a very quick audit of Indian resources, supply, fuel and oil. I think that my original suggestion of adding 300 daily oil to the Middle East base was too generous. It leaves India - not including Burma - with a total of 750 oil/day when this is added in, as opposed to 450/day in the original scenario 15. I think that fuel supply levels could be reduces as well. Resources and supply are already lower than the official scenario so I think that these can be left alone, at least for now.

Here are my suggestions for modifying fuel and oil supply levels for Indian bases:

Middle East - from 300 oil/day daily oil to 200 oil/day.
- from 8000 fuel/day to 4000.
Lahore - from 50 oil to 30 (cuts daily oil from 300 to 180).
Dacca - from 25 oil to 20 oil (cuts daily oil from 150 to 120).
Bombay - from 2000 fuel/day to 1000.

This lowers the total daily oil supply from 750 to 500, and daily fuel from 11000 to 6000 for India. I have just plucked these reductions from the air, to achieve the general levels I think we could use.

Any comments on this would be appreciated. I would also like to review the supply levels in North America, which I will try to do when I get some more free time.

Andrew

I'll hold off a day or so for comments before putting this in but I generally agree.

[akdreemer]

While checking out the captains of the ships in US task force I came across the USS Sims being commanded by what appears to be a Japanese pilot??? I am playing a pre-release version of CHS with expanded modified map and V1.5 ..

In addition, several calsses of US AP and AK have unhistorical comprehensive AA batteries of 40mm and 20mm. The Kittyhawk is one that comes to mind. I have a copy of my save game file if someone wants to look at it...

[bstarr]

ORIGINAL: AlaskanWarrior

While checking out the captains of the ships in US task force I came across the USS Sims being commanded by what appears to be a Japanese pilot??? I am playing a pre-release version of CHS with expanded modified map and V1.5 ..

The leader bug is an ongoing issue with the game itself. A lot of progress has been made, but leaders still appear in the wrong place from time to time.

In addition, several calsses of US AP and AK have unhistorical comprehensive AA batteries of 40mm and 20mm. The Kittyhawk is one that comes to mind. I have a copy of my save game file if someone wants to look at it...

Don has done as good a job as humanly possible with the merchant fleets. He's now taking a well deserved rest from the tedious research and probably won't change anything trivial.
bs

[Don Bowen]

In addition, several calsses of US AP and AK have unhistorical comprehensive AA batteries of 40mm and 20mm. The Kittyhawk is one that comes to mind. I have a copy of my save game file if someone wants to look at it...

I am the one that did the Kittyhawk and the only information that I have on the class is from "US Naval Vessels Reference Manual, prepared by Divison of Naval Intelligence, 1 September 1945". This being the only information that I have, I used it.

As to other classes the armament is largely estimated but was prepared within the following guidelines:
1) Most US merchants were unarmed at the start of the war (12/41) with upgrades providing armament on a class by class basis.
2) Most British and allied merchants begin the war armed to reflect over two years of war upgrades (9/39-12/41)
3) US Army and Navy transports and cargo vessels begin the war armed - as well defined as my reference sources allowed.
4) Some high value ships (very large transports especially) were also armed.

If you have specific information to correct the early war armament of any classes, please post it.

[bstarr]

You workaholic you. I thought you were finally going to get a break.

[akdreemer]

ORIGINAL: Don Bowen

In addition, several calsses of US AP and AK have unhistorical comprehensive AA batteries of 40mm and 20mm. The Kittyhawk is one that comes to mind. I have a copy of my save game file if someone wants to look at it...

I am the one that did the Kittyhawk and the only information that I have on the class is from "US Naval Vessels Reference Manual, prepared by Divison of Naval Intelligence, 1 September 1945". This being the only information that I have, I used it.

As to other classes the armament is largely estimated but was prepared within the following guidelines:
1) Most US merchants were unarmed at the start of the war (12/41) with upgrades providing armament on a class by class basis.
2) Most British and allied merchants begin the war armed to reflect over two years of war upgrades (9/39-12/41)
3) US Army and Navy transports and cargo vessels begin the war armed - as well defined as my reference sources allowed.
4) Some high value ships (very large transports especially) were also armed.

If you have specific information to correct the early war armament of any classes, please post it.

Don, not to be negative, but research also needs to be done on when certain weapons were historically introduced to service. The first pilot twin 40mm mount was delivered to the US Navy in January 1942. Mind you that this was a pilot model, pre-production. The first quadruple was finished in May of 1942 and mounted afloat in the Wyoming, and the first twin installation was for USS Coghlan (DD-606) on 1 July 1942. Therefore, having any 40mm twins mounted on any US ship before July 1942 is historically inaccurate.

The ship should be named Kitty Hawk, not Kittyhawk. The photo is of the Kitty Hawk in 1942. Although it is hard to discern, she does not appear to be carrying any light aa at all, especially 8 twin 20mm mounts and 16x20mm singles. Her original commissioning specs had her armed with one 5"/38 dual purpose gun mount, four 3"/50 dual purpose guns in Novemember 1941 at her commissioning. At most she might some .50 cals. As far as the arming of merchant vessels and the like, at most they might have a 5"DP, a 3"DP, and some .50 cals. There was one source that listed her as having heavy light AA batteries but i rather suspect that this is late war, since all others have have the before listed her commissioning armament.

Aircraft Transports .
USS Kitty Hawk (APV-1 / AKV-1) . 6,860 tons (14,000 full); 478 feet ; 17 knots ; 1- 5" , 4- 3" ; Built in 1932 ; acquired by the Navy 25 June 1941; converted to an aircraft transport and commissioned 26 November 1941. Departed New York 16 December 1941, for Hawaii and delivered men, munitions and aircraft to Pearl Harbor, Midway (week before battle), and the New Hebrides for Guadalcanal - all by August 1942. She was reclassified AKV-1 on 15 Sept 1943 and followed the combat need for aircraft throughout the war.
USS Hammondsport
(APV-2 / AKV-2). Sister ship to Kittyhawk, both departed for the Pacific in Dec 1941. Hammondsport delivered 120 P-40 fighters to Brisbane 5Feb42 and delivered cargo and aircraft throughout the Pacific during the war.

Notice that they were originally classified as APV, meaning that they transported both planes and troops.
Source:
Naval Weapons of World War Two, John Campbell, 1985 (2002 reprint), http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_4cm-56_mk12.htm, http://www.navsource.org/archives/09/1701.htm
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... /apv-1.htm
http://www.ww2pacific.com/ships4.html

I will have to check on some of the other ships, especially some of the AP's that start with 40mm and 20mm, but regardless the twin 40mm's have to go. There might be some justification for a couple of 20mm's.

[Don Bowen]

Not ignoring, researching ...