Wild Sheep Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A)

[GreyJoy]

The fall of Tinian is a true problem imho. Now you really have to keep it closed and bomb the hell out of it with everything you have. You have to force Joc to risk again another massive operation to conquer another mutual-supporting base in the Mariannas...
 
for sure things have really gone wrong for Japan in the last 6 months...
 
And reinforce, ASAP, the Bonins now!

[PaxMondo]

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

The fall of Tinian is a true problem imho. Now you really have to keep it closed and bomb the hell out of it with everything you have.

+1

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

The fall of Tinian is a true problem imho. Now you really have to keep it closed and bomb the hell out of it with everything you have. You have to force Joc to risk again another massive operation to conquer another mutual-supporting base in the Mariannas...

for sure things have really gone wrong for Japan in the last 6 months...

And reinforce, ASAP, the Bonins now!

I would have said the same about Molu. You've turned that into a problem for him in your game. [:)]

Let's be clear for a minute. The Japanese aren't going to win the war. It's mid-44. All the Allies have to do is load up and head out with all of the CVs into the Pacific. I can't really challenge that now unless he's careless, doesn't bring everything and blunts his spear on LBA before the KB arrives.

Looks like you're jumping the gun a bit here, as Tinian hasn't fallen by the date of this report yet! [;)] It does, but I'll be writing that in a day or two, as I'm 4-5 turns behind in the AAR. Really though, if he's going to bring 3 divisions plus to any spot in the Pacific (and most anywhere else), he's probably going to take it. Tinian is a problem, of course. It's great for him to take it, but at what cost? Not having more than one base there is surely not the best for the Allies. He needs to come again, and I will be adding a bit hopefully before he does.

Playing Japan into 44 against a good player means things will go wrong a LOT. I'm getting used to that. He made some good leaps around New Guinea that I wasn't ready for yet, and that has caught him up. But Burma is still very contested, for now, and he hasn't jumped into the DEI yet, although he's been poised to for a while. I could be in the same position 6 months earlier or more, and a lot of games are. I'm feeling there is a lot of fight left in the Empire and he's got to be a bit careful still.

In good news, the Grace, the D4Y4 and most importantly the Peggy (T) are coming in July.

QUESTION: If he doesn't get within 20 hexes of Saigon, Formosa or the HI when would I get Kamikazes?

[obvert]

PS - The past two turns have witnessed 80+ bombers hitting the fields and port of Tinian. My roll-over states 93/90 on the fields/port. He brought a good amount of AA here, so it will be costly, but he can't keep it up for ever and so must reinforce and conquer another one.

[PaxMondo]

ORIGINAL: obvert
Let's be clear for a minute. The Japanese aren't going to win the war. It's mid-44. All the Allies have to do is load up and head out with all of the CVs into the Pacific. I can't really challenge that now unless he's careless, doesn't bring everything and blunts his spear on LBA before the KB arrives.

Looks like you're jumping the gun a bit here, as Tinian hasn't fallen by the date of this report yet! [;)] It does, but I'll be writing that in a day or two, as I'm 4-5 turns behind in the AAR. Really though, if he's going to bring 3 divisions plus to any spot in the Pacific (and most anywhere else), he's probably going to take it. Tinian is a problem, of course. It's great for him to take it, but at what cost? Not having more than one base there is surely not the best for the Allies. He needs to come again, and I will be adding a bit hopefully before he does.

Playing Japan into 44 against a good player means things will go wrong a LOT. I'm getting used to that. He made some good leaps around New Guinea that I wasn't ready for yet, and that has caught him up. But Burma is still very contested, for now, and he hasn't jumped into the DEI yet, although he's been poised to for a while. I could be in the same position 6 months earlier or more, and a lot of games are. I'm feeling there is a lot of fight left in the Empire and he's got to be a bit careful still.

In good news, the Grace, the D4Y4 and most importantly the Peggy (T) are coming in July.

QUESTION: If he doesn't get within 20 hexes of Saigon, Formosa or the HI when would I get Kamikazes?

Very true, but you can still contest him for it. 3xID on a landing ... yeah, he's gonna take it. question is, how beat will he be? Can you reinforce/force an LBA+KB fight there? If your AF"s are built up, this is a good place as you can get a lot of LBA nearby and he has to bring his Armada into range.

re:Kami: I don't know that there is a date trigger, I only know of the range trigger ....

[koniu]

ORIGINAL: obvert

QUESTION: If he doesn't get within 20 hexes of Saigon, Formosa or the HI when would I get Kamikazes?

They are two factors switching on kamikazes (current state for you)
- date at lest 1/44 - (true)
- 20 hex or less distance limit - (false)

both have to be true, so kamikazes will newer happen if You hold him 21 hexes from those places[:)]

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: koniu

ORIGINAL: obvert

QUESTION: If he doesn't get within 20 hexes of Saigon, Formosa or the HI when would I get Kamikazes?

They are two factors switching on kamikazes (current state for you)
- date at lest 1/44 - (true)
- 20 hex or less distance limit - (false)

both have to be true, so kamikazes will newer happen if You hold him 21 hexes from those places[:)]

That's exactly what I feared. It's too bad there isn't a date trigger as well, but I guess I should count my blessings here and just be patient. I should have a good number of pilots by the time I finally do get them going.

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

ORIGINAL: obvert
Let's be clear for a minute. The Japanese aren't going to win the war. It's mid-44. All the Allies have to do is load up and head out with all of the CVs into the Pacific. I can't really challenge that now unless he's careless, doesn't bring everything and blunts his spear on LBA before the KB arrives.

Looks like you're jumping the gun a bit here, as Tinian hasn't fallen by the date of this report yet! [;)] It does, but I'll be writing that in a day or two, as I'm 4-5 turns behind in the AAR. Really though, if he's going to bring 3 divisions plus to any spot in the Pacific (and most anywhere else), he's probably going to take it. Tinian is a problem, of course. It's great for him to take it, but at what cost? Not having more than one base there is surely not the best for the Allies. He needs to come again, and I will be adding a bit hopefully before he does.

Playing Japan into 44 against a good player means things will go wrong a LOT. I'm getting used to that. He made some good leaps around New Guinea that I wasn't ready for yet, and that has caught him up. But Burma is still very contested, for now, and he hasn't jumped into the DEI yet, although he's been poised to for a while. I could be in the same position 6 months earlier or more, and a lot of games are. I'm feeling there is a lot of fight left in the Empire and he's got to be a bit careful still.

In good news, the Grace, the D4Y4 and most importantly the Peggy (T) are coming in July.

QUESTION: If he doesn't get within 20 hexes of Saigon, Formosa or the HI when would I get Kamikazes?

Very true, but you can still contest him for it. 3xID on a landing ... yeah, he's gonna take it. question is, how beat will he be? Can you reinforce/force an LBA+KB fight there? If your AF"s are built up, this is a good place as you can get a lot of LBA nearby and he has to bring his Armada into range.

re:Kami: I don't know that there is a date trigger, I only know of the range trigger ....

My plan was to try to bring the KB in and reinforce in the Marianas if he landed, but the amount of firepower he brought meant I couldn't get near the islands on the water and the fields and ports were shut immediately, so no flying things in. By the time the armada pulled back the base was in dire straits with forts reduced, so there was no point to add stuff that would just be killed off within a week.

I had thought he would land about two divisions on two islands. That would have been okay, and he would still be fighting there to a draw as the LBA would have kept the Allies from endlessly bombing the troops into dust and the KB would have appeared if the Allied air power was weakened. Now I have to prepare for the same kind of contingency. I have some troops moving down now to reinforce Rota, Guam, Pagan and Saipan plus a bit for the little bases on the Northern Islands. I need 10-14 days. If I have that, I might be able to close the door for a good while.

[koniu]

ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: koniu

ORIGINAL: obvert

QUESTION: If he doesn't get within 20 hexes of Saigon, Formosa or the HI when would I get Kamikazes?

They are two factors switching on kamikazes (current state for you)
- date at lest 1/44 - (true)
- 20 hex or less distance limit - (false)

both have to be true, so kamikazes will newer happen if You hold him 21 hexes from those places[:)]

That's exactly what I feared. It's too bad there isn't a date trigger as well, but I guess I should count my blessings here and just be patient. I should have a good number of pilots by the time I finally do get them going.

There should not be date trigger (let say 1/45). Why?
Because kamikaze was desperate weapon. Japan was losing in all fronts, enemy was very close to Home Land, There was no time to train properly pilots in bomb , torpedo attacks so kamikazes concept show up. Les training required tactic with good chances of success. I You in `45 will hold allies 20+ hexes from Japan that mean You are not need desperate solutions.

Use that time to build kamikaze pilots and planes pools.

[obvert]

I know, I know, koniu, but it sure feels desperate right now! [:D]

Even when I have kami I might not use them as pure kamis anyway. I like some of the ideas Capt Cruft has about using regular bombing and letting them dive in if damaged 'for the emperor.'

The downside of kamis is that fighter pilots will also begin ramming, which I've heard is not entirely successful and loses you some good pilots.

[obvert]

[font="Times New Roman"]15 - 16 June 1944[/font]
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Since a lot of readers probably know the score already from Jocke's AAR, I'll try to catch up to the current turn today. I'll see if I can get some screenshots as well, as there are some very active areas right now, especially Burma, the could have some major developments in the next few days.

[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]SUBS: [/font] About 5 US subs are playing cat and mouse with our Es in the area around Molu to Lautem. We found the Trout both days, or it found us I should say, but missed an E and then a DD. No return hits on the sub either.

[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]S/SW PAC:[/font] Ouch! A good strike of 59 Jack and 28 Judys went after ships at Biak today, but was almost completely destroyed by the Spits and P-47s flying CAP. Only 7 bombers got through and hit nothing. I'll have to turn things off around here until the next phase looks ready to begin. He's got too many engineers in Biak now and I can't keep those fields damaged without insufferable losses. I have to focus on the big moves and stay on top of the tea leaves.

[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]NORTH PACIFIC: [/font] Nothing further.

[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]S DEI: [/font] Sweeps hit Lautem. A horde of P-38s plus Corsairs focus on Lautem and the supporting Tojos from Dili don't help out only one hex away ([&:]), so the Franks are left with only a few Nicks in support. They come through with flying colors though, and get positive results against the first few waves before getting worn down. Numbers are key here, and the 49 plane groups downs a bunch of Lightnings and a good number of Corsairs as well. No bombers hit today, so the fields are fine, but 2/3 of the Franks are damaged. Now LR CAP from Lomblen will try to hold off the next strikes and let the Franks recover. Fingers crossed. He can't be happy to be getting these results far from home where those pilots simply end up splashing while many of ours end up WIA.

[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]BURMA: [/font] The Allies are still pounding Rangoon to hit supplies and keep the fields closed. I'm in favor of this, as I can get supply to flow from Bangkok and Mergui. A big shipment is on the way from Nagasaki, and small ones are continuously moving from the DEI to the Mergui/Tavoy area.

Jocke did hit Pisanoluke today, the first time he's hit a deep base like that. The Tojos did very well there early on but were overwhelmed after 5 sweeps came through (plus another 4-5 after that I didn't include in the reports). On the day we get about 1:1.5 for the sweeps but lose a bunch on the ground. I'll take that though, as these are the best of the Allied fighter groups.

His troops do indeed look to be switching it up and heading for a right hook through Prome. I've got some troops heading through the clear hex as a distraction while others are railing from Toungoo. Either could be a disaster from Allied bombing runs, but I have to get there and must take the hit. I have troops moving every direction from the 56, 51 hex to hopefully provide some doubt as to what is really going on, and I will stagger the strat movement to hide it better as well. The only fear is getting caught in strat mode in the clear hex. I think they should shoot through to Pegu at least though, and most likely all of the way to Rangoon in one turn. Tense times!!!

[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]CENTRAL PACFIC:[/font] Tinian moves one step closer t falling. The troops there wear the Allies down a bit, which I hope will help once it does fall to make sure we can bomb effectively and his fatigue stays up, maybe even moral and disruption being affected.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR June 15, 44
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Biak at 87,110

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 91 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 30 minutes

Japanese aircraft
D4Y3 Judy x 28
J2M3 Jack x 59

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 47
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
D4Y3 Judy: 13 destroyed, 4 damaged
D4Y3 Judy: 1 destroyed by flak
J2M3 Jack: 17 destroyed

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
DD Charles Ausburne
DD Trathen

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x D4Y3 Judy releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
4 x D4Y3 Judy releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Rangoon , at 54,53

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 30 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights


Allied aircraft
Wellington B.X x 21
Wellington GR.XIII x 7
B-25H Mitchell x 9
P-39N1 Airacobra x 17
P-40K Warhawk x 33

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Wellington B.X: 1 damaged
Wellington GR.XIII: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 3
Runway hits 17

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Wellington B.X bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Rangoon , at 54,53

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 74 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 21 minutes


Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 29
B-25D1 Mitchell x 34
B-26 Marauder x 10
B-26B Marauder x 11

Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 6 damaged
B-25D1 Mitchell: 2 damaged
B-26 Marauder: 2 damaged
B-26B Marauder: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 15
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 29

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on Lautem , at 72,115

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 8
Ki-84a Frank x 43

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84a Frank: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 3 destroyed

CAP engaged:
48th Sentai with Ki-84a Frank (0 airborne, 12 on standby, 26 scrambling)
12 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 20000 and 34440.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 36 minutes
Temp.Fight.Chutai with Ki-45 KAIa Nick (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 8 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 12000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 37 minutes

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Afternoon Air attack on Lautem , at 72,115

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 31 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 8
Ki-84a Frank x 34

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38J Lightning: 2 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on Lautem , at 72,115

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 31 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 8
Ki-84a Frank x 27

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84a Frank: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38J Lightning: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x P-38J Lightning sweeping at 31000 feet

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Afternoon Air attack on Lautem , at 72,115

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 46 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 6
Ki-84a Frank x 6



Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 21


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 3 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 2 destroyed

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x P-38J Lightning sweeping at 31000 feet

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Ground combat at Tinian (108,94)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 37969 troops, 870 guns, 996 vehicles, Assault Value = 1364

Defending force 15377 troops, 170 guns, 6 vehicles, Assault Value = 395

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 1

Allied adjusted assault: 523

Japanese adjusted defense: 303

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 1)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
3127 casualties reported
Squads: 43 destroyed, 188 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 15 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 17 disabled
Guns lost 49 (4 destroyed, 45 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
382 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 29 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 42 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 14 disabled
Guns lost 18 (2 destroyed, 16 disabled)
Vehicles lost 39 (20 destroyed, 19 disabled)

Assaulting units:
1st USMC Amphb Tank Battalion
77th Infantry Division
31st Infantry Division
4th Marine Division
670th Tank Destroyer Battalion
193rd Tank Battalion
104th Combat Engr Rgt /8
10th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
1st USMC AA Battalion
265th Coastal Artillery Regiment
607th Coast AA Regiment
47th Coastal Artillery Regiment
I Corps Artillery
XIV Corps Artillery
64th Coast AA Regiment

Defending units:
49th Ind.Mixed Brigade
48th Ind.Mixed Brigade
21st Ind.Mixed Regiment
16th Ind.Mixed Regiment
102nd Machine Canno AA Battalion
12th JNAF AF Unit
53rd JNAF AF Unit /1
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR June 16, 44
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Morning Air attack on Pisanuloke , at 58,57

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 16 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 49

Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 21

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1 Corsair: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x F4U-1 Corsair sweeping at 31000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Pisanuloke , at 58,57

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 17 NM, estimated altitude 43,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 35

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 6 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 3 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Pisanuloke , at 58,57

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 22 NM, estimated altitude 36,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 19

Allied aircraft
P-51B Mustang x 24


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 4 destroyed

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
17 x P-51B Mustang sweeping at 31000 feet

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Morning Air attack on 16th Garrison Unit , at 86,110 (Noemfoor)

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 38 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes


Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 6
B-24D Liberator x 12
B-24D1 Liberator x 33
B-24J Liberator x 121
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 31


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
99 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on Pisanuloke , at 58,57

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 8

Allied aircraft
Liberator II x 8
Liberator B.III x 11
Liberator B.VI x 38
Liberator GR.VI x 8
B-17F Fortress x 9
B-24D Liberator x 12
B-24D1 Liberator x 24
B-24J Liberator x 130

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 2 destroyed, 6 damaged
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 6 destroyed on ground
P1Y2 Frances: 18 destroyed on ground
Ki-46-III Dinah: 3 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator B.VI: 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 2 destroyed, 4 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
17 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 90
Airbase supply hits 20
Runway hits 73

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x Liberator B.VI bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Ground combat at Tinian (108,94)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 37581 troops, 872 guns, 982 vehicles, Assault Value = 1308

Defending force 13032 troops, 168 guns, 6 vehicles, Assault Value = 189

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 0

Allied adjusted assault: 596

Japanese adjusted defense: 357

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 0

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(+), preparation(-)
experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1711 casualties reported
Squads: 73 destroyed, 54 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 28 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 18 disabled
Guns lost 29 (13 destroyed, 16 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
519 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 56 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 15 disabled
Guns lost 10 (2 destroyed, 8 disabled)
Vehicles lost 15 (1 destroyed, 14 disabled)


Assaulting units:
77th Infantry Division
31st Infantry Division
4th Marine Division
670th Tank Destroyer Battalion
193rd Tank Battalion
1st USMC Amphb Tank Battalion
104th Combat Engr Rgt /8
I Corps Artillery
265th Coastal Artillery Regiment
XIV Corps Artillery
47th Coastal Artillery Regiment
607th Coast AA Regiment
10th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
1st USMC AA Battalion
64th Coast AA Regiment

Defending units:
48th Ind.Mixed Brigade
21st Ind.Mixed Regiment
49th Ind.Mixed Brigade
16th Ind.Mixed Regiment
102nd Machine Canno AA Battalion
12th JNAF AF Unit
53rd JNAF AF Unit /1

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Ground combat at Namatanai (107,125)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 2903 troops, 42 guns, 46 vehicles, Assault Value = 116

Defending force 998 troops, 16 guns, 15 vehicles, Assault Value = 15

Allied adjusted assault: 52

Japanese adjusted defense: 28

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 0) [:D]

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 0

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), fatigue(-), experience(-)
Attacker: leaders(+), fatigue(-)

Japanese ground losses:
26 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Vehicles lost 5 (4 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
33 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Assaulting units:
24th (Sep) Infantry Regiment

Defending units:
31st Tankette Co
25th Air Defense AA Regiment
15th JNAF AF Unit

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Reinforcements:

[font="Trebuchet MS"]ML G-316 arrives at Yokohama/Yokosuka

Aircraft Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy advances R&D (7/44)[/font]

Losses:

[font="Trebuchet MS"]Loss of MGB G-237 on Jun 15, 1944 is admitted
Loss of MGB G-238 on Jun 15, 1944 is admitted[/font]

Ships Sunk:

[font="Trebuchet MS"]Previous report of sinking of SS Billfish incorrect. Intelligence reports ship is still in service
SS Tally Ho is reported to have been sunk near Port Blair on May 18, 1944[/font]
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[font="Trebuchet MS"]Quite a few British subs entered the DEI recently in a big pack, and they all seem to have disappeared again just as quickly. I threw some mines in on the return route, but I'm not sure if that had any affect. I do know 4-5 were DCed to heavy damage or heard sinking. The Tally Ho, shown here, just came up on the sunk list.[/font]
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[GreyJoy]

If Tinian is packed with AA, the best way to burn his supplies and keep it close is to place a couple of BB TFs at Guam/Saipan, and pound it every single night. Do you have some AKEs in the Mariannas? I think he didn't have the time to place too many mines at Tinian. Bomb the hell out of it and pack the rest of the Mariannas with LBAs...sooner or later he will have to come back to rescue those brave marines... and that's when you could make him pay! The Kb + the LBA can wreck any allied CVTF...remember the 200 firing passes rule... even if he has 2000 fighters on CAP a single coordinated big strike can sink a whole bunch of CVs. Don't be too scared![;)]

[koniu]

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy
remember the 200 firing passes rule... even if he has 2000 fighters on CAP a single coordinated big strike can sink a whole bunch of CVs. Don't be too scared![;)]

Are not 200 pases rule was removed on last official patch or this was in current beta?
At lest in beta number of pases depends also from numbers of planes involved in battle.
More planes more that 200 pases.
I think new code is adding number that fraction of planes involved in battle to 200 pases. Increasing that number

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: koniu

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy
remember the 200 firing passes rule... even if he has 2000 fighters on CAP a single coordinated big strike can sink a whole bunch of CVs. Don't be too scared![;)]

Are not 200 pases rule was removed on last official patch or this was in current beta?
At lest in beta number of pases depends also from numbers of planes involved in battle.
More planes more that 200 pases.
I think new code is adding number that fraction of planes involved in battle to 200 pases. Increasing that number

Not that i'm aware of.... [X(][X(][X(]

[koniu]

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

ORIGINAL: koniu

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy
remember the 200 firing passes rule... even if he has 2000 fighters on CAP a single coordinated big strike can sink a whole bunch of CVs. Don't be too scared![;)]

Are not 200 pases rule was removed on last official patch or this was in current beta?
At lest in beta number of pases depends also from numbers of planes involved in battle.
More planes more that 200 pases.
I think new code is adding number that fraction of planes involved in battle to 200 pases. Increasing that number

Not that i'm aware of.... [X(][X(][X(]

I will look for source of that info. But i am sure michealm mention that he add that to code

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If Tinian is packed with AA, the best way to burn his supplies and keep it close is to place a couple of BB TFs at Guam/Saipan, and pound it every single night. Do you have some AKEs in the Mariannas? I think he didn't have the time to place too many mines at Tinian. Bomb the hell out of it and pack the rest of the Mariannas with LBAs...sooner or later he will have to come back to rescue those brave marines... and that's when you could make him pay! The Kb + the LBA can wreck any allied CVTF...remember the 200 firing passes rule... even if he has 2000 fighters on CAP a single coordinated big strike can sink a whole bunch of CVs. Don't be too scared![;)]

Thanks GJ. Sometimes at this stage I need a bit of encouragement for sure. It's scary out there!

Step 1. Give him a sight of the KB hanging around the DEI. This is for two reasons; one to give him pause about a move from OZ, and secondly to deceive about where those ships are going while also topping off fuel and planes at Dagua. Simultaneously get air units healed up and filled out and more strike planes nearby in the Marianas. While that happens I'll bomb Tinian and bring in some BBs as GJ suggests. The closest 2 AKE are at Iwo but can move down to Pagan.

Step 2. Lose the KB near the PI for a day or two before posting them a day away from the Marianas to the NW of those islands, well out of search range and out of the densely packed sub zone as well.

Step 3. Land more troops on Guam, Rota, Saipan and Pagan, with possibly some for the three smaller North Marianas islands if there is time, with support from the KB. I have one free division, several brigades and regiments that have just arrived. If I can get those bases to 700 AV plus, even three divisions won't work too well. Those already have some DP and arty guns. I have one surprise, in that the Wake CD gun unit is back in shape and moving down. I think I'll put that at Rota, the weakest of the bases, if I can. Tinian had the lowest forts of any of the main islands and the others should all be above 5.

Step 4. Be ready for the armada when it comes. I defended the bases last time with only minimal strikes hoping to ware down the Allied CV air and be able to move in with the KB. He did lose almost 350 CV planes in the first invasion through strikes at small shipping, sweeps and ground strikes. I'll try to look like I'm doing the same, then move a bunch of strike planes in just before the KB arrives, if that's possible. He could try to shut down my bases this time, which is entirely possible and in my opinion the best Allied move pre-invasion, but Jocke is wary of losing CV planes against land targets. He's been burned in a CV battle before and doesn't want that to happen again, so my feeling is he will just cover and sweep a bit, but not send in waves of bombing to shut the main fields.

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Is he coming soon? Or is he switching gears for another option, like continuing the push in New Guinea or the DEI, and would he need CVs for that? Does he have the other islands prepped, or is he waiting from troops to be released from Tinian and other New Guinea holdouts like Aitape, Noemafor and Biak?

We've talked about changing to the current beta at the end of the month, meaning the beginning of July/44. In 10 days from the current turn. That could help me in some ways and hurt in others. It might dull LBA strikes against the Allied fleet by splitting up more of the packages. I've got three HQa on the Marianas, so there is support there, but I've not played the new beta so I don't know.

Also, as koniu points out the strike pass rules have changed, so maybe both fleets will also be more protected. If so I could place the KB one hex off Guam and Rota, and let the extra 350-400 Franks, Georges and Tojos (plus those at Tinian and LR CAP from another few bases) there also take part and provide CAP. It could mean the CAP over the KB is stronger than over the Allied CVs in reality. And if he takes more than a month, I'll have at least some Grace and Judy '4' in the mix. We'll see.

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Are not 200 pases rule was removed on last official patch or this was in current beta?
At lest in beta number of pases depends also from numbers of planes involved in battle.
More planes more that 200 pases.
I think new code is adding number that fraction of planes involved in battle to 200 pases. Increasing that number

Not that i'm aware of.... [X(][X(][X(]

I will look for source of that info. But i am sure michealm mention that he add that to code

I thought I heard that too, maybe to 300 passes? Either way, with the coordination advantage removed, LBA likely won't go from several bases, or even one base, in a single big strike. That could be painful against a CAP of 600-800 planes. I assume he's starting to get Corsairs on those ships now as well. Yuck!

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[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]S/SW PAC:[/font] Noemfoor is hit again by 4E. No further pushes. I've got good fighters piled at Sorong now but the bombers are all shut down until I know for sure something is coming.

[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]NORTH PACIFIC: [/font] Nothing more.

[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]S DEI: [/font] Again defenders at Lautem hold their own, but the mass of Allied 2E do shut the base. Luckily the wave of sweeping Lightnings that come all together in a mass of 95 planes come last. I don't care if it's called 'coordination' or 'cooperation,' it's damn effective.

Lautem is now shut, so Dili will have to hold until the engineers can get it going again. A few more groups are brought in to nearby bases to augment the Tojos stationed there. The remaining 15 Franks at Lautem will remain there, damaged.

[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]BURMA: [/font] Jocke uses B-29s to go for Rangoon fields at night. Great to have them hit here instead of nailing the oil, but if this were a base with planes in it, that would suck. Too easy to decimate any hope of defense on pinpoint night strikes.

Jocke's troops have already gotten to Prome and are now moving toward Rangoon. This will be quick and dirty and I know I wouldn't hold here for long against what he is bringing. I just need a while to get the other troops over. The first are going through in strat mode tomorrow. There is also a group of units now in the clear. If he goes for them there will be a tussle in the air, as I've moved in some cover to Pegu and other bases nearby.

[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]CENTRAL PACFIC:[/font] Allied forces capture Tinian. So, the bombing starts tomorrow. I have the KB moving toward Dagua. Once replenished some BBs will break off and begin the bombardment runs also. Support ships will move from the Bonins south.

This is make or break time. The fields were over 50% damaged when the base fell, and the port at about 90% damaged. If I can keep the fields closed until the BBs arrive, then give a few good poundings, it might even be tough to land more support or replenish the base. That is the hope anyway.

An Allied TF is spotted moving South of Wake. No idea what it is, but the rollover shows CA at least.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR June 17, 44
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Night Air attack on Rangoon , at 54,53

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 39

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 11
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 15

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Lautem , at 72,115

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 23 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 23
Ki-84a Frank x 41

Allied aircraft
P-38H Lightning x 14

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
P-38H Lightning: 3 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on 16th Garrison Unit , at 86,110 (Noemfoor)

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 29 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 11
B-24D Liberator x 11
B-24D1 Liberator x 43
B-24J Liberator x 121
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 24


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
79 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Lautem , at 72,115

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 54 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 21 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 23
Ki-84a Frank x 38

Allied aircraft
Hudson III (LR) x 16
PV-1 Ventura x 23
Spitfire VIII x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84a Frank: 4 damaged
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
Hudson III (LR): 2 destroyed, 2 damaged
PV-1 Ventura: 3 destroyed, 1 damaged
Spitfire VIII: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x PV-1 Ventura bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Lautem , at 72,115

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 71 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 20 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 21
Ki-84a Frank x 32

Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 16
Spitfire VIII x 6
B-25C Mitchell x 11
B-25D1 Mitchell x 100
B-25G Mitchell x 30
B-25H Mitchell x 45

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 1 damaged
Ki-84a Frank: 25 damaged
Ki-84a Frank: 2 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire VIII: 1 destroyed
B-25D1 Mitchell: 1 damaged
B-25G Mitchell: 1 damaged
B-25H Mitchell: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
9 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Airbase hits 22
Airbase supply hits 6
Runway hits 141

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 23

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Morning Air attack on 2nd Division, at 55,51 , near Prome

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 30 minutes


Allied aircraft
Liberator B.III x 11
Liberator B.VI x 40
Liberator GR.VI x 10
Wellington B.X x 31
Wellington GR.XIII x 12
B-17F Fortress x 10
B-24D Liberator x 12
B-24D1 Liberator x 25
B-24J Liberator x 114
B-25C Mitchell x 43
B-25D1 Mitchell x 45
B-25H Mitchell x 16
B-26 Marauder x 16
B-26B Marauder x 16

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator B.III: 1 damaged
Liberator B.VI: 1 damaged
Liberator GR.VI: 1 damaged
Liberator GR.VI: 1 destroyed by flak
Wellington B.X: 1 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 5 damaged
B-25C Mitchell: 1 damaged
B-25D1 Mitchell: 1 damaged
B-26B Marauder: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
79 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 13 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x Wellington B.X bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Lautem , at 72,115

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 56 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 17
Ki-84a Frank x 26

Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Lautem , at 72,115

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 69 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 12
Ki-84a Frank x 20



Allied aircraft
P-38H Lightning x 96

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 4 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 5 destroyed

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x P-38H Lightning sweeping at 31000 feet
20 x P-38H Lightning sweeping at 31000 feet
18 x P-38H Lightning sweeping at 31000 feet
21 x P-38H Lightning sweeping at 31000 feet
17 x P-38H Lightning sweeping at 31000 feet


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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR June 16, 44
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Morning Air attack on 16th Division, at 55,51 , near Prome

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 43 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Allied aircraft
Wellington B.X x 31
Wellington GR.XIII x 12
B-25C Mitchell x 27
B-26 Marauder x 16
B-26B Marauder x 15

Allied aircraft losses
Wellington B.X: 3 damaged
Wellington GR.XIII: 1 damaged
B-26 Marauder: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
30 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x Wellington B.X bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Mergui at 53,62

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25H Mitchell x 4

Allied aircraft losses
B-25H Mitchell: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
xAKL Shinshui Maru
xAKL Eiwa Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-25H Mitchell bombing and strafing from low level *
Naval Attack: 3 x 500 lb SAP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on 55th Division, at 55,51 , near Prome

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes


Allied aircraft
Liberator B.III x 11
Liberator B.VI x 37
Liberator GR.VI x 9
B-17F Fortress x 8
B-24D Liberator x 9
B-24D1 Liberator x 12
B-24J Liberator x 119


Allied aircraft losses
Liberator B.III: 2 damaged
Liberator B.VI: 3 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 4 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 8 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese ground losses:
58 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Liberator B.VI bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Ground combat at Tinian (108,94)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 37306 troops, 875 guns, 981 vehicles, Assault Value = 1274

Defending force 11805 troops, 166 guns, 6 vehicles, Assault Value = 95

Allied adjusted assault: 503

Japanese adjusted defense: 133

Allied assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied forces CAPTURE Tinian !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1505 casualties reported
Squads: 102 destroyed, 28 disabled
Non Combat: 8 destroyed, 19 disabled
Engineers: 54 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 77 (57 destroyed, 20 disabled)
Vehicles lost 5 (5 destroyed, 0 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
378 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 51 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled


Assaulting units:
31st Infantry Division
77th Infantry Division
193rd Tank Battalion
1st USMC Amphb Tank Battalion
4th Marine Division
670th Tank Destroyer Battalion
104th Combat Engr Rgt /8
I Corps Artillery
607th Coast AA Regiment
1st USMC AA Battalion
265th Coastal Artillery Regiment
XIV Corps Artillery
10th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
47th Coastal Artillery Regiment
64th Coast AA Regiment

Defending units:
49th Ind.Mixed Brigade
48th Ind.Mixed Brigade
21st Ind.Mixed Regiment
16th Ind.Mixed Regiment
102nd Machine Canno AA Battalion
12th JNAF AF Unit
53rd JNAF AF Unit /1

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Reinforcements: none.

Losses: none.

Ships Sunk: none.

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[font="Trebuchet MS"]In Manila Mutsu has just finished repairs incurred in recent skirmishes and it will head to the Central Pacific. [/font]
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ORIGINAL: koniu

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy





Not that i'm aware of.... [X(][X(][X(]

I will look for source of that info. But i am sure michealm mention that he add that to code

I thought I heard that too, maybe to 300 passes? Either way, with the coordination advantage removed, LBA likely won't go from several bases, or even one base, in a single big strike. That could be painful against a CAP of 600-800 planes. I assume he's starting to get Corsairs on those ships now as well. Yuck!

The 200 pass rule still persists AFAIK.

It was increased somewhat (don´t remember by how much) in a specific beta file only released for tests and for the specific situation encountered in GJ vs. rader´s game. No idea if it was ever used by them, but anyways, it definitely did not make it into the 'official' betas. Increasing the pass limit is not required with the coordination bug resolved in the later betas (or with players adapting accordingly FWIIW [;)]).

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Cool. Thanks for the clarification.

It will help me against 4E and the massive B-25D-1 raids that en masse fight off any interceptors. At sea it might give the Allies the historical 'big blue blanket.' Still not sure when we'll upgrade yet.