THE THREAD!!!

[Paladin1dcs]

And I'm off to play some WitP:AE.

And to get an UNP while I'm at it apparently.

[bradfordkay]

ORIGINAL: Kwik E Mart

...'lectric cars? hate 'em...almost been run over twice in parking lots because i couldn't hear the damn things coming...[:-]

As a cyclist I have a definite concern about this aspect of electric cars.

[comte]

ORIGINAL: Paladin1dcs

ORIGINAL: Onime No Kyo

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy



Hi Leo,

All-electrics are coming into their own, at long last. The Tesla-S is a great example of an all-electric vehicle with decent range and great handling. It's received good to excellent reviews and is practical for the driving habits of many (most?) Americans. It has the potential to be a real game changer.

EXCEPT for the fact that it's $80,000. No one (at least not in numbers) can afford it. You get the price tag down below $40,000 and people will start paying attention.

In the meantime, hybrids (gas-electric) are getting 44 (Civic) to 55 (Prius) MPG. American gasoline consumption has been decreasing for several years running now, in spite of what the media portrays.

Most people are pretty smart about it-the all-electrics are beyond the cost:value proposition for most Americans. Heck, most of the hybrids are too: the basic model Honda Civic (38 MPG) versus the Hybrid (44 MPG) isn't worth the $6,000 premium on a dollar cost averaging basis.

Nat Gas passenger vehicles would be really interesting to explore. Honda's had a Civic that runs on NG for some time. Cheap (relatively) clean fuel that has all sorts of range.

I keep coming back to the absurdity of US not utilizing NG more. I think I've mentioned before that every single gas station in Moldova sells NG. I was a bit disappointed that it wasnt the case if Europe-proper (I think Torsten said that he has an app to find locations near him) but here in the US I think the number of locations where you can get it can be counted on the fingers of one hand.

A large reason why you won't see NG used in vehicle traffic any time soon in the States is economics. Who's going to pay to build the infrastructure to support and fuel them, and how can it be done to still turn a profit? Considering the economic situation that most State governments find themselves in, having them built with State funds is not an option. Federal funds are just as tight, plus you have the Constitutional restrictions in place as well in that regards, so this only leaves private investors, who are mostly heavily invested in the oil industry. Most, if not all, businessmen are not going to intentionally build and strengthen a competing industry that would split their profits, especially if it's in an unproven technology.

The truth is that gasoline and diesel is going to be around for quite some time to come.

I wish we had NG cars here. When we visit the in-laws in Israel the cars they have run on NG and Gasoline we went from the Negev to the north of the country with sightseeing at our destination on our recent trip just using Natural gas. I think Paladin is right here we won't see it anytime soon here in the US. I think another factor he didn't mention is the fact that there is so much NG in the US with the rise of fracking that the stuff is so cheap its hard to make a profit as the price is dropping.

[Apollo11]

Hi all,

Good morning!


Leo "Apollo11"

[USSAmerica]

ORIGINAL: Apollo11

Hi all,

Thanks for info guys! [:)]


Leo "Apolllo11"

Hey Leo,

I think the improvements in electric cars are great, and they will one day be more affordable to the general public. I just have a problem with all the propaganda surrounding them that says they can eliminate burning fossil fuels, save the planet, help our babies grow up healthier, etc. I swear, most people who buy into that gospel, and preach it, have no idea where electricity comes from. They just "buy it" from the outlet in the wall. In this country over 80% of it is generated by burning coal or natural gas. Tell them that the only "plus" for the environment from electricity is that around 15% is generated from nuclear power and they really freak! [:D]

[USSAmerica]

Good morning - Tithe. [&o][&o][&o]

[Schanilec]

Good mornig. A little cool this morning. 6F.
Aaaah...coffee.[8D]

[nashvillen]

ORIGINAL: USS America

ORIGINAL: Apollo11

Hi all,

Thanks for info guys! [:)]


Leo "Apolllo11"

Hey Leo,

I think the improvements in electric cars are great, and they will one day be more affordable to the general public. I just have a problem with all the propaganda surrounding them that says they can eliminate burning fossil fuels, save the planet, help our babies grow up healthier, etc. I swear, most people who buy into that gospel, and preach it, have no idea where electricity comes from. They just "buy it" from the outlet in the wall. In this country over 80% of it is generated by burning coal or natural gas. Tell them that the only "plus" for the environment from electricity is that around 15% is generated from nuclear power and they really freak! [:D]

+1

[nashvillen]

And, Good morning all!

[fodder]

Good morning! [:)]

[fodder]

ORIGINAL: Apollo11

Hi all,

Question for our USA Thread brethren:

What do you guys (and your friends and family) think about new breed of electric cars - the Tesla "Model S" in particular with rather long range?

Is this something that can make a dent in today's predominant gas engine community?


Leo "Apollo11"

For me the so called long range of the Tesla doesn't matter. A short range electric car would fit well in my current lifestyle. The main consideration is cost and it's currently WAY to HIGH! Get the cost down below $20,000 and I'd buy one.

[Grollub]

SLR.

(For the newcomers, that's a THREAD acronym meaning "Subject Line Reset")

[fodder]

ORIGINAL: Grollub

SLR.

(For the newcomers, that's a THREAD acronym meaning "Subject Line Reset")

In my case it was a USLR. (Unintentional Subject Line Reset)


Edit this to my.

[USSAmerica]

ORIGINAL: fodder

ORIGINAL: Grollub

SLR.

(For the newcomers, that's a THREAD acronym meaning "Subject Line Reset")

In my case it was a USLR. (Unintentional Subject Line Reset)


Edit this to my.

They usually are. And, usually when Logboy (Nik) has been around. [:D]

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: USS America

ORIGINAL: Apollo11

Hi all,

Thanks for info guys! [:)]


Leo "Apolllo11"

Hey Leo,

I think the improvements in electric cars are great, and they will one day be more affordable to the general public. I just have a problem with all the propaganda surrounding them that says they can eliminate burning fossil fuels, save the planet, help our babies grow up healthier, etc. I swear, most people who buy into that gospel, and preach it, have no idea where electricity comes from. They just "buy it" from the outlet in the wall. In this country over 80% of it is generated by burning coal or natural gas. Tell them that the only "plus" for the environment from electricity is that around 15% is generated from nuclear power and they really freak! [:D]

Totally agree, USS Mike.

Don't get me started on where people think their food comes from or how it gets there. After all, food comes from the supermarket!

[jeffk3510]

Electric cars are great and all... but...

Check out this outrageous consideration...

http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/03/orego ... -vehicles/

[DuckofTindalos]

From the Unfortunate Ship Names section:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSwMS_Puke_%2819%29

[comte]

ORIGINAL: Terminus

From the Unfortunate Ship Names section:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSwMS_Puke_%2819%29

When they were naming the ship they had way too much Bettino Ricasoli chianti the night before which led to a morning of constant heaving. The hungover Naval administrators decided to just name her the Puke after the results of drinking the terrible chianti the night before.

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: Terminus

From the Unfortunate Ship Names section:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSwMS_Puke_%2819%29

Ugh. Buying secondhand Puke from the Italians? Who'd have thought there would be a market for that?

[Paladin1dcs]

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: Terminus

From the Unfortunate Ship Names section:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSwMS_Puke_%2819%29

Ugh. Buying secondhand Puke from the Italians? Who'd have thought there would be a market for that?

Some people will buy anything if you tell them it's made in Italy. I blame reality TV and Jersey Shore. Not sure if there's a connection, but there's never a bad reason to blame Jersey Shore for something.