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RE: Bad luck

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I would make the 8th Div the nucleus of a three division reaction force in the DEI.
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Your night time naval search occurred with 0% moonlight. Most of your warships still don't have any form of radar. That is why the Allies were able to get to 7k range.
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Our amphib TF is safe and, for the loss of one DD we sunk 3 DDs and a CA...not bad

Not bad indeed! But given that there were two Allied CA's against three IJN CA's (and none of the Kinugasas) it's clear Q-Ball didn't bring enough food to the party.
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RE: Avoiding traps

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With the Mariannas finally being garrisoned i'm already thinking about Luzon and Mindanao... should i start garrisoning and building? tough decision cause i simply don't have enough engineers to be sent there... but i know how much time it takes to build a complex of fortifications and the later i start the weaker i'll be when the day will come....
Check your reinforcement queue. There are lots of LCUs arriving in 1944, and 1945 - directly in PI. You just have to hold Allies from reaching it earlier [:D]

Although you can send some Engineers there, to start fort building.
three tank divisions are already attached to the southern command, so can be moved out immediately.... where is the best place to use the tanks? Burma? Java? Sumatra? Islands?
With BAZOOKAs everywhere, their only advantage would be speed, so put them somewhere, where they will be only using roads/clear terrain. Optimally to cut off enemy.
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RE: Avoiding traps

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With the Mariannas finally being garrisoned i'm already thinking about Luzon and Mindanao... should i start garrisoning and building? tough decision cause i simply don't have enough engineers to be sent there... but i know how much time it takes to build a complex of fortifications and the later i start the weaker i'll be when the day will come....
Check your reinforcement queue. There are lots of LCUs arriving in 1944, and 1945 - directly in PI. You just have to hold Allies from reaching it earlier [:D]

Although you can send some Engineers there, to start fort building.
three tank divisions are already attached to the southern command, so can be moved out immediately.... where is the best place to use the tanks? Burma? Java? Sumatra? Islands?
With BAZOOKAs everywhere, their only advantage would be speed, so put them somewhere, where they will be only using roads/clear terrain. Optimally to cut off enemy.

I've just read that very interesting thread about LCU combat modifiers in the war room and it seems that the anti-armour value of the medium tanks is foundamental to hold in fortified bases against the assaulting enemy. Also their stacking cost is pretty low compared to their firepower and that make them a perfect complement for the 35,000 stacking limited bases (like those in the Mariannas). Imagine Guam, Saipan, Tinian, each of them stacked with a Tank Division, a full Infantry Division, a couple of Arty units and some AA units...with forts etc.... not a good landing site [:D]

I've just read what did Herbie at Saumlaki in 1944 with only a regiment and a guard unit.... he held off for ages against 3 elite divisions!!!
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Mar 8 1943
 
while our CAs are gathering at Kendari to refuel and replenish (Kendari now has a naval HQ, 2 naval base forces, 240k fuel and 30k supplies), the BBs and a CVL are covering the retreat to Ambon of the amphib TFs.
I like Crib's idea. The 8th is getting to Kendari (but only one division can be based there, due to the stacking limit) and i'm also thinking of sending 2 tank divisions to southern DEI to be used there... but yet i have to decide. In the meanwhile the tank divisions are moving down from the Central China plains, securing the perimeter in the journey to Canton.
 
On the 7th we ambushed Brad's sealanes once again, this time at Horn Island. Brad had concentrated all his fighter force between Darwin and Bathrust, so Horn Island and the straits were left without a fighter force. We sent 22 Betties from Lae that nailed 4 xAKs. No losses on my side and Now Brad had to move some fighters back there... small and cheap hits usefull to keep him on guard everywhere [;)].
 
Micheal, about my economy.... i think i'm not doing that bad given the particular mod we're playing. Supplies levels remain stable on the map at 2.5 millions, while the HI keeps on growing (now at 1.3 millions). A/C pools are plenty and am shutting down most of my factories cause i don't really need that many a/c for the moment.
Fuel in Japan is at 1.7 million...we only lack oil (now at 250k) but we're working hard on it.
 
Ship losses have been decent after we solved the ASW problem in mid 1942. The convoy system is working fine and my air ASW is keeping most of his subs at bay almost everywhere.
 
The R&D is going smooth, considering the auto-limitations. I think we can have the KI-84a by August 1943 and by sept 1943 we should be able to get the J2M3 for our Navy LBA units.
 
By July 1943 we'll also have the KI-44c.
 
 
 
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RE: Bad luck

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ORIGINAL: Capt. Harlock
Our amphib TF is safe and, for the loss of one DD we sunk 3 DDs and a CA...not bad

Not bad indeed! But given that there were two Allied CA's against three IJN CA's (and none of the Kinugasas) it's clear Q-Ball didn't bring enough food to the party.


Think he didn't realize it, despite i had that TF sitting there for 3 turns, defending the amphib TF. Brad said "good ambush" in his email, as if i had ambushed him, while in reality i think he was the one who ambushed me, not the other way around.

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RE: Bad luck

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More on the R&D... the first 1x60 KI-84a Factory is now repaired.
The Frances will arrive mid march 1943 (good!)
I don't think i'll be keep on researching the second generation of the Frances... those models do not look that good imho
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RE: Bad luck

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Isn't the second gen Frances service rating 2? The first one is service 4, so a bit of a bear if your base gets nailed or you want a day two attack.

About the tanks on islands. I like the idea, but only in critical spots. And I wouldn't use the big divisions out there, just the regiments. For the divisions I'd put them somewhere where the mobility will be useful. I think Burma is ideal, but you could put them in Java.
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RE: Bad luck

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Isn't the second gen Frances service rating 2? The first one is service 4, so a bit of a bear if your base gets nailed or you want a day two attack.

About the tanks on islands. I like the idea, but only in critical spots. And I wouldn't use the big divisions out there, just the regiments. For the divisions I'd put them somewhere where the mobility will be useful. I think Burma is ideal, but you could put them in Java.

A medium bomber with a service rating of 4 is a tough plane to work with. Lots will die on the ground once the Allies start to get some airpower.
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RE: Bad luck

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Yes guys, the second Frances has a svr rating of 2 (like the Betty) but it's slower (325 mph against 340).
However i agree that a service rating of 4 is not that good for a 2E bomber...especially in 1943. In another AAR i've just read comments about being hard in 1943 to find a suitable war ground to use the frances... To be honest i've faced them against Rader and, if well escorted, those beasts can bring havoc among a late war allied CV fleet if used properly!
 
BTW, i changed my mind and i'll keep 2 1x30 factories researching the second frances, while a factory will be producing 60/monthly of the first one (got plenty Ha-45 in pool to spare)... the idea is to place them in well supplied and supported bases like Rabaul, Ambon, Koepang or Shimushiri Jiima
 
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Mar 10, 43
 
A mixed day. The allied subs got a good day today, sinking a big xAK near Shangai and torpedoing a big CM at Boela.
The Chinese tried to counterattack in the hope to open my offensive perimeter...got repulsed but my losses are too high! Sending some divisions to take care of the problem (north of Chikkiang).
Near Taberfane we sent a scouting DD TF, heavy CAPped... the allied SDB and Beauforts came in...unescorted...and got slaughtered... 35 of them will never get home again[8D]. I'm giving Brad his own medicine...CAP Traps
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Submarine attack near Shanghai  at 93,55
 
Japanese Ships
      xAK Midori Maru, Torpedo hits 3,  on fire,  heavy damage
 
Allied Ships
      SS Tautog
 
xAK Midori Maru is sighted by SS Tautog
SS Tautog attacking xAK Midori Maru on the surface
 
 
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ASW attack near Boela  at 80,110
 
Japanese Ships
      CM Tokiwa, Torpedo hits 1
      CM Wakataka
      CM Ishizaki
      CM Kyosai
      CM Naryu
      CM Nasami
      CM Tsugaru
      CM Itsukushima
 
Allied Ships
      SS Haddo
 
SS Haddo launches 4 torpedoes at CM Tokiwa
Haddo bottoming out ....
CM Itsukushima fails to find sub, continues to search...
CM Itsukushima fails to find sub, continues to search...
CM Itsukushima fails to find sub, continues to search...
CM Itsukushima fails to find sub, continues to search...
CM Itsukushima fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub
 
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Taberfane at 80,117
 
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud
 
Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes
 
Japanese aircraft
      A6M2 Zero x 17
      A6M3a Zero x 33
      Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 19
 
Allied aircraft
      SBD-3 Dauntless x 25
 
No Japanese losses
 
Allied aircraft losses
      SBD-3 Dauntless: 18 destroyed
 

 
 
 
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Taberfane at 80,117
 
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud
 
Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes
 
Japanese aircraft
      A6M2 Zero x 17
      A6M3a Zero x 33
      Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 19
 
Allied aircraft
      Beaufort VIII x 7
 
No Japanese losses
 
Allied aircraft losses
      Beaufort VIII: 5 destroyed
 
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Ground combat at 78,47 (near Chungking)
 
Allied Shock attack
 
Attacking force 52017 troops, 116 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1723
 
Defending force 9399 troops, 53 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 301
 
Allied adjusted assault: 428
 
Japanese adjusted defense: 490
 
Allied assault odds: 1 to 2
 
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), op mode(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+), supply(-)
 
Japanese ground losses:
      2129 casualties reported
         Squads: 15 destroyed, 217 disabled
         Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 16 disabled
         Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
      Guns lost 19 (1 destroyed, 18 disabled)
 
Allied ground losses:
      2978 casualties reported
         Squads: 14 destroyed, 368 disabled
         Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 30 disabled
         Engineers: 1 destroyed, 3 disabled
      Guns lost 7 (2 destroyed, 5 disabled)
 
Assaulting units:
    47th Chinese Corps
    27th Chinese Corps
    73rd Chinese Corps
    99th Chinese Corps
    34th Chinese Corps
    8th Chinese/A Corps
    8th Chinese/B Corps
    21st Group Army
    27th Group Army
    11th Chinese Base Force
 
Defending units:
    13th Ind.Mixed Brigade
    8th Mongol Cavalry Division
    5th RGC Division
 
 
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RE: Bad luck

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Mar 11, 1943

Things got bad today.
Brad foresaw my intentions and punished me hard.
After yesterday torpedo attack at Boela, i decided to disband some of the TFs that were sitting there... BAD IDEA! Brad, for the first time in this match, surprised me with a port attack. nearly 150 4Es arrived, with 44 P-38s in sweep mode at 30,000 feet. I had only a tiny zero sentai with 25 A6M2s.... all my CMs got sunk - 15!!! - (among them some valuable ones, like those who have 125 and 150 mines!!!!), along with several PBs, xAKs and a DD....[:o] we lost 6 zeros, while Brad lost only 7 4Es in the process... a defeat...but a small one considering what i could have lost if i had disbanded my valuable ships (BBs and CVL that were sitting there)... clearly QBall was targetting those ones, not the minelayers...

several more ships are spotted moving to Darwin... some CA/CLs are just passing through the torrent straits... things will get hot soon!

No sign of the enemy CVs near PH... nor near the WC... how can it be??? I'm retiring my subs...there's no point remaining there waiting for being sunk... Brad must have seen my subs and moved them away (maybe Cape Town or took a longer route directly for the west coast).

The 4Es are now away from the East coast of Oz...now they are all packed at Darwin... soon the air war for the southern DEI will begin...
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Mar 11, 1943

Things got bad today.
Brad foresaw my intentions and punished me hard.
After yesterday torpedo attack at Boela, i decided to disband some of the TFs that were sitting there... BAD IDEA! Brad, for the first time in this match, surprised me with a port attack. nearly 150 4Es arrived, with 44 P-38s in sweep mode at 30,000 feet. I had only a tiny zero sentai with 25 A6M2s.... all my CMs got sunk - 15!!! - (among them some valuable ones, like those who have 125 and 150 mines!!!!), along with several PBs, xAKs and a DD....[:o] we lost 6 zeros, while Brad lost only 7 4Es in the process... a defeat...but a small one considering what i could have lost if i had disbanded my valuable ships (BBs and CVL that were sitting there)... clearly QBall was targetting those ones, not the minelayers...

several more ships are spotted moving to Darwin... some CA/CLs are just passing through the torrent straits... things will get hot soon!

No sign of the enemy CVs near PH... nor near the WC... how can it be??? I'm retiring my subs...there's no point remaining there waiting for being sunk... Brad must have seen my subs and moved them away (maybe Cape Town or took a longer route directly for the west coast).

The 4Es are now away from the East coast of Oz...now they are all packed at Darwin... soon the air war for the southern DEI will begin...

It's good you only lost the CMs, but those are some good ships also. It will make any offensive mining have to rely on subs more.

I've learned to respect the range of the 4E. Anything in range is a target. I just had the third port attack this game taking out support ships. Although I think about it, and know not to keep any in port within range of a 4E capable base, sometimes I too get lazy and think I know where he can go and where he can't. The best lesson is to forget all of that and stay out of range completely when in port.

Soon I'll have to deal with the B-29 range. That will be a game changing transition, I'm sure.
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RE: Bad luck

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Agree erik, 4Es on port attack can really ruin your day. So far i've been pretty carefull on not disband important ships in ports where the 4Es can strike...but sometimes i forget and i always get punished :-)
 
Mar 12, 1943
 
A very important day today. The operation "running horse" is over today. We managed to finish our defensive disposition in the southern DEI, delivering at Saumlaki with a HUGE fast transport operation the "C" regiment of the 20th Division and an heavy artillery Bn.
Now Saumlaki has an Army HQ (the 8th), a Naval guard unit, an ind eng rgt, an heavy arty Bn (with 150 cm guns) and 2 full regiments. The regiment of the 20th division is an "heavy" one, composed by 1943 Heavy Inf squads[8D].
 
So now we have the whole arc between Roti-Koepang and Taberfane-Babo heavily garrisoned. He won't be able to advance here for quite a long time me think.
 
 
 
I really think the time for Tabiutea is coming... moving a full CAR DIV into position. AOs are enroute from Japan.
 
Today we had to withdraw 2 Betty sentais.... this really hurts[:o][:-]
 
180 Bombers suddenly appeared at Port Hedland.... why in the world should he base there so many bombers?????[&:][&:][&:][&:][&:]
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RE: Bad luck

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Good point, the Japanese pretty much were unable and unwilling to port any ships in range of Allied bombers. This is well reflected in the game and creates a serious handicap for the Japanese player. And requires him to burn more fuel. I am again amazed at how beautifully designed this this game is...[;)]
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Yes CrSutton. This game is amazing!!!!
 
To summerize, this is our defensive first line in the southern DEI:
 
-ROTI: 1 regiment, 1 Naval Guard Unit, 1 AT regiment, 2 base forces (4 forts).
-Koepang: 1 Army HQ, 1 division, several AA units, 2 Naval Guard Units, 2 Arty units and several more support units.
- DILI: a mixed Bde, a naval guard unit, 2 AA units and 3 base forces.
-LAUTEM: 1 Division, 1 Army Area HQ (range 5), 3 Artillery units, a Guard Unit, 4 AA units and several base forces.
 
- Babar: 1 Garrison unit and 1 Regiment (266 AVs) (in range with the Army Area HQ at Lautem)
- Selroe: 2 regiments of the 69th Division (in range of the Army HQ at Saumlaki)
- Saumlaki: 2 regiments, a naval guard unit, an Army HQ, an Eng Rgt and 1 Artillery unit (pieces of 150 and 104 mm)
 
 
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Can those bombers reach your oil fields at Soerabaja? Assume they are B-24/LB-30 type.
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RE: Bad luck

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Can those bombers reach your oil fields at Soerabaja? Assume they are B-24/LB-30 type.

Nope, 25 hexes from Port Hedland to Sosarbaja (The LB-30 has a max range of 24 hexes). At Sosarbaja I keep, anyway, 27 N1K1 always on 60%CAP at 15k feet, cause from Cocos they can reach it (always unescorted).

I also keep Nicks and Tojos and Palembang and Batavia...just to be sure

Flak is present in every important base (meaning those who have industrial facilities).


Strategically thinking, i do believe now Brad has lost his momentum in Southern DEI. He will have to do the old way in order to advance "safely"....which means close all important AFs before attempting a major landing

The more i think of it, the more i think QBall will advance in CENTPAC first...but an advance in CENTPAC will mean a lot of time...and a lot of risky amphib operations...and that's exactly what i want.

We'll now slowly move back some of my units from the lower Solomons and re-direct them to Ponape and Kusiae Island.
Hollandia and Biak will keep on getting reinforcements.
Sorong is already at level 2 AF and i plan to bring more units to Menado area and start building the nearby bases

the defences of Sumatra are getting stronger every day. A small infantry unit has just gotten to Engano and now the most important islands on the western coast of Sumatra are garrisoned. Padang and Benkoleng are already two strongpoints in my defensive perimeter. Sebang too.

Things look good to be honest
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Mar 13 1943
 
Ok guys, i think i can confirm you: CENTPAC is where he will be landing. Intel confirms that Pago Pago is FULL of 88 ships. Among them CAs, APs etc... do we have to believe to japanese intel? I do. Makes perfect sense.
Tahio is already on the move, along with the KB and Yamato's battle group (4 BBs, 4 CAs and 12 modern DDs).
The 56th Infantry divisions is being divided into 3 regiments and moved to Nauru Island, Kusiae and Ponape.
90 Betties and 60 zeros are being transfered, along with 18 Emilies and some 54 Vals.
 
In China he keeps on tryin to break the pocket around Chungking. My tank army is already moving to cut all his vectors and create a smaller pocket
 
 
Now it all depends on how's the status of Brad's CVs... Think Wasp is back online so i do think he has at least 4 operative carriers by now
 
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RE: Bad luck

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Moreover, today 80 4Es paid again visit to Boela port and sunk some more damaged ships. But they came unescorted and 7 A6M2s on CAP managed to shoot down 4 beasts for no losses on our part!!!![;)]
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