CR sorry for the hijack:
Any of you Maryland boys want to meet at Annapolis on a Saturday, tour the museum, gift center (really nice) and swallow some swill on the docks? Im looking at October 20th.
Tokyo Rose was a Hussy! Chez (J) vs. Canoe (A)
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Running 3+ ops, are they going to be able to be "coordinated" so you get Chez running around the Pacific working out how to react to them all?
Should make good reading on page 3 of the magazine.
"Scenic sights of the Kurils, Solomons and South China Sea"
Should make good reading on page 3 of the magazine.
"Scenic sights of the Kurils, Solomons and South China Sea"
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ORIGINAL: JeffK
I think CR, and to an extent GreyJoy have shown up a weakness in the methods used by many JFB. (Sorry if I've missed others, I dont read all AAR and I am sure there are JFB showing up weaknesses of AFB)
Many JFB use the KB like a bull in a china shop and dont worry a lot about a solid strategy, they get away with a lot as many AFB go into a shell, do the Sir Robin and allow the JFB to stay on the offensive.
CR marked his line in the sand at Palembang and threw Chez's "plans" into disarray, GreyJoy got cajoled into defending Gcanal and Rader didnt have any other options up his sleeve. Both JFB have then committed major errors and are suffering.
I could imagine both Chez & Rader had plans to sweep across the map (Rader nearly succeeded) and no plans to deal with a determined Allied player.
I hope Chez doesnt throw it in as many illinformed are suggesting, It could be good for JFB to have to fight from this position and in this time period. It would at least provide tips for others. (Maybe lack of an AAR by Chez has taken away some of the support from the crowd that might keep his interest up)
What is that supposed to mean? What major errors? [;)][:D] Sorry for hijacking the thread CR, but this just caught my attention as I was catching up on your AAR. This game is WAYYYY over. Although it could be fun to sweep up the remains of the Japanese Empire in 1943...
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ORIGINAL: zuluhour
CR sorry for the hijack:
Any of you Maryland boys want to meet at Annapolis on a Saturday, tour the museum, gift center (really nice) and swallow some swill on the docks? Im looking at October 20th.
I work in Annapolis and know of a nice little spot nearby right on the river across from the Academy.
I am in!
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ORIGINAL: rader
ORIGINAL: JeffK
I think CR, and to an extent GreyJoy have shown up a weakness in the methods used by many JFB. (Sorry if I've missed others, I dont read all AAR and I am sure there are JFB showing up weaknesses of AFB)
Many JFB use the KB like a bull in a china shop and dont worry a lot about a solid strategy, they get away with a lot as many AFB go into a shell, do the Sir Robin and allow the JFB to stay on the offensive.
CR marked his line in the sand at Palembang and threw Chez's "plans" into disarray, GreyJoy got cajoled into defending Gcanal and Rader didnt have any other options up his sleeve. Both JFB have then committed major errors and are suffering.
I could imagine both Chez & Rader had plans to sweep across the map (Rader nearly succeeded) and no plans to deal with a determined Allied player.
I hope Chez doesnt throw it in as many illinformed are suggesting, It could be good for JFB to have to fight from this position and in this time period. It would at least provide tips for others. (Maybe lack of an AAR by Chez has taken away some of the support from the crowd that might keep his interest up)
What is that supposed to mean? What major errors? [;)][:D] Sorry for hijacking the thread CR, but this just caught my attention as I was catching up on your AAR. This game is WAYYYY over. Although it could be fun to sweep up the remains of the Japanese Empire in 1943...
Your game or this?
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rader,
I apologise for making comment about yur game, as I would find it hard to explain without making comment about GreyJoy's positions and tactics.
I apologise for making comment about yur game, as I would find it hard to explain without making comment about GreyJoy's positions and tactics.
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ORIGINAL: JeffK
Your game or this?
CR's game of course. In GJ/my game, I hope it's not the end, the beginning of the end, or even the end of the beginning (well, it probably is the last of those...[:'(]).
Haha, and I don't mind Jeff. Just raised my eyebrows [;)].
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7/25/42
I know what rader means about the game being over - about Japan apparently stopped in its tracks too early and with too much untaken. But the game is as exciting to me as any other that I've played, simply because both sides are locked in a taught battle. The only difference is that this battle is taking place in an unusual locale for July '42. Japan remains very powerful - its air hasn't been touched and it has a massive army; so it should be very difficult for the Allies to make progress at this early date. That makes the game challenging. That and my hope that I can whup up on Japan enough to persuade Steve to offer an unconditional surrender. But that won't happen, I think, until the KB is truly destroyed.
NoPac: The reinforcement TF left Adak Island today. Most of the supply TFs and Wasp are already well north of Attu Island. They'll stay there a few days while waiting for the troops, combat TFs, and one lagging supply TF (leaving Dutch Harbor tonight). All these ships should be in position to go into Para (or stand off, in some cases) in about six days. I'm still scrounging to get fighter squadrons to the western Aleutians that can make the hop to Para's airfield. I should have at least one Marine F4F, one Army P-39, plus Wasps' fighters, should I elect to move them to land. I have more coming, but getting them from the West Coast to the western Aleutians is often a hodge-podge effort that sometimes includes using air transport TFs to make the move from Juneau to Adak (because every squadron I send to Juneau seems to incur massive disablement problems that are slow in resolving).
CenPac: The Ndeni force departed Pearl Harbor yesterday.
SoPac: SigInt that more IJ troops are bound for Savaii Island.
DEI: Marine raiders landed at Siberot Island yesterday. An Indian tank unit comes ashore at Oosthaven tomorrow, barring interference. This unit will be "swapped" for an infantry unit, which I plan to transport via APD to either Toabali or Billiton Island. The window following the Battle of Oosthaven in which the Allies had no battleships in the DEI is about to close. BC Repulse will arrive at Cocos Island in two days. BB Valiant will arrive there in about five days. Warspite and North Carolina are currently midway between New Zeland and Melbourne. They should be on station in ten days to two weeks.
China: Tomorrow, two CHinese stacks will reach the "jump off" hexes east of Changsha. The larger stack (6100 AV) will be one hex west of Nanchang, which I believe is lightly held, and which is not on a railroad, making reinforcement by Japan a challenge. The smaller stack (2300 AV) will be across the river to the south, facing - and hopefully holding in place - an IJ army of three units (believed to include at least one division).
I know what rader means about the game being over - about Japan apparently stopped in its tracks too early and with too much untaken. But the game is as exciting to me as any other that I've played, simply because both sides are locked in a taught battle. The only difference is that this battle is taking place in an unusual locale for July '42. Japan remains very powerful - its air hasn't been touched and it has a massive army; so it should be very difficult for the Allies to make progress at this early date. That makes the game challenging. That and my hope that I can whup up on Japan enough to persuade Steve to offer an unconditional surrender. But that won't happen, I think, until the KB is truly destroyed.
NoPac: The reinforcement TF left Adak Island today. Most of the supply TFs and Wasp are already well north of Attu Island. They'll stay there a few days while waiting for the troops, combat TFs, and one lagging supply TF (leaving Dutch Harbor tonight). All these ships should be in position to go into Para (or stand off, in some cases) in about six days. I'm still scrounging to get fighter squadrons to the western Aleutians that can make the hop to Para's airfield. I should have at least one Marine F4F, one Army P-39, plus Wasps' fighters, should I elect to move them to land. I have more coming, but getting them from the West Coast to the western Aleutians is often a hodge-podge effort that sometimes includes using air transport TFs to make the move from Juneau to Adak (because every squadron I send to Juneau seems to incur massive disablement problems that are slow in resolving).
CenPac: The Ndeni force departed Pearl Harbor yesterday.
SoPac: SigInt that more IJ troops are bound for Savaii Island.
DEI: Marine raiders landed at Siberot Island yesterday. An Indian tank unit comes ashore at Oosthaven tomorrow, barring interference. This unit will be "swapped" for an infantry unit, which I plan to transport via APD to either Toabali or Billiton Island. The window following the Battle of Oosthaven in which the Allies had no battleships in the DEI is about to close. BC Repulse will arrive at Cocos Island in two days. BB Valiant will arrive there in about five days. Warspite and North Carolina are currently midway between New Zeland and Melbourne. They should be on station in ten days to two weeks.
China: Tomorrow, two CHinese stacks will reach the "jump off" hexes east of Changsha. The larger stack (6100 AV) will be one hex west of Nanchang, which I believe is lightly held, and which is not on a railroad, making reinforcement by Japan a challenge. The smaller stack (2300 AV) will be across the river to the south, facing - and hopefully holding in place - an IJ army of three units (believed to include at least one division).
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How is your supply in China? It seems to be good if you're undertaking offensive campaigns there.
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Good question.
Chinese supply is mixed, but thus far hasn't reached crisis levels anywhere in the game - mostly because Japan has been on the defensive.
My big stack east of Changsha is fully supplied, as is Changsha itself. My small stack a bit to the south at Pingsiang has real supply problems. My other big stack, up in the cournty between Nanning and Chengchow, is a bit short of supply.
Chinese supply is mixed, but thus far hasn't reached crisis levels anywhere in the game - mostly because Japan has been on the defensive.
My big stack east of Changsha is fully supplied, as is Changsha itself. My small stack a bit to the south at Pingsiang has real supply problems. My other big stack, up in the cournty between Nanning and Chengchow, is a bit short of supply.
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CR, I checked out the web site for your magazine. Looks interesting. I am a cracker myself. Born in Villa Rica. My family home is in Clarkston. My great aunt deeded the place to the City Parks in 1970 and it is now a nature preserve. My dad is buried there and I have not been down in three decades. Planning a trip soon.
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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
I know what rader means about the game being over - about Japan apparently stopped in its tracks too early and with too much untaken. But the game is as exciting to me as any other that I've played, simply because both sides are locked in a taught battle. The only difference is that this battle is taking place in an unusual locale for July '42. Japan remains very powerful - its air hasn't been touched and it has a massive army; so it should be very difficult for the Allies to make progress at this early date. That makes the game challenging. That and my hope that I can whup up on Japan enough to persuade Steve to offer an unconditional surrender. But that won't happen, I think, until the KB is truly destroyed.
Sorry, I didn't mean "over" as in it wouldn't be a fun spirited game, I just meant that Japan at this point has virtually no chance of winning without having access to Palembang, ever. This shouldn't mean that it can't still be fun for both players to play out to the bitter end. And Japan should be able to kick for a while yet. I'm quite interested to see how it goes. I'll just shut up and let you get on with the AAR...
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great! Im planning on visiting USNA mid morning around lunch (sorry again for hijack) I ll PM ya soon.
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CR,
Did your Chinese supply situation result from holding industry under Allied control? Flying in supplies over the Hump? Keeping the Burma Road open? Judicious limits on offensive Ops?
Inquiring minds about to play a PBEM as Allies for the first time want to know.
Did your Chinese supply situation result from holding industry under Allied control? Flying in supplies over the Hump? Keeping the Burma Road open? Judicious limits on offensive Ops?
Inquiring minds about to play a PBEM as Allies for the first time want to know.
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CR,
Did your Chinese supply situation result from holding industry under Allied control? Flying in supplies over the Hump? Keeping the Burma Road open? Judicious limits on offensive Ops?
Inquiring minds about to play a PBEM as Allies for the first time want to know.
Inquiring minds playing their first PBEM and wanting to play Allies want to know as well! It's always a bit of a mystery in China for me. Chunking holds onto a lot, and the region around Changsha seems to do well, but everywhere else seems on the verge of collapse for me even with the B R open.
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Unfortunately, I can't boast of doing anything by design to keep the Chinese in decent supply. No supply has gone over the hump (it's going to Schewebo to keep the Allied Expeditionary Army in Burma supplied). Early in the game, when the Burma Road was still open, I landed supply at Rangoon, but it wasn't much and I'm not sure any of it went to China. So neither of these two stratagems are the reason the supply situation is decent.
I don't have abundant supply in China, but I do have decent levels, especially around Changsha. The Sian sector, on the other hand, seems pretty short.
Japan hasn't been aggressive in China in the game - the Chinese offensives hae instead kept Japan on its heels most of the time. The Chinese roughed up at least seven IJA divisions, so now Japan is on the defensive, hunkered down in major cities. As a result, the Chinese still hold the important supply centers (Sian, Changsha, etc.). Also, while the Chinese have engaged in some focused offensive activity, they haven't been going bezerk all over the place for extended periods. This has probably helped with the supply situation.
India is flush with supply with all the convoys coming in from Abadan and Capetown since the beginning of the game. It is possible that some of this is trickling hex-by-hex across the map into China. But that's just a guess.
I don't have abundant supply in China, but I do have decent levels, especially around Changsha. The Sian sector, on the other hand, seems pretty short.
Japan hasn't been aggressive in China in the game - the Chinese offensives hae instead kept Japan on its heels most of the time. The Chinese roughed up at least seven IJA divisions, so now Japan is on the defensive, hunkered down in major cities. As a result, the Chinese still hold the important supply centers (Sian, Changsha, etc.). Also, while the Chinese have engaged in some focused offensive activity, they haven't been going bezerk all over the place for extended periods. This has probably helped with the supply situation.
India is flush with supply with all the convoys coming in from Abadan and Capetown since the beginning of the game. It is possible that some of this is trickling hex-by-hex across the map into China. But that's just a guess.
"Rats set fire to Mr. Cooper’s store in Fort Valley. No damage done." Columbus (Ga) Enquirer-Sun, October 2, 1880.
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7/26/42
CenPac: The KB, or part thereof, is on a SE course east of Makin Island and Tarawa. Gar missed Zuikaku (the only carrier sighted, but there should be more) with a spread of six torps, and patrols picked up the TF later in the day. Allied transports to the south will spread out and flee to the south, though there's nothing really important anywhere close. With enemy carriers in CenPac, the Allies will have to be careful in the operation to occupy and build Ndeni and Vanua Lava, but it's worth a shot.
NoPac: Most of the TFs have rendezvoued to the NW of Attu Island. The final supply TF is probably two days away. The resupply/reinforcement TFs will likely go in to Para in five or six days.
SoPac: More signs of IJ focus on Savaii Island and Pago Pago (SigInt: a unit bound for IJ-controlled Savaii, and another prepping to attack Pago Pago).
DEI: The APDs are at Oosthaven. They'll make a quick supply run to Toabali, pre-positioning some supply for the troops that will follow in a week or so. It will be dangerous duty for the APDs - Oosthaven is forward port exposed to enemy combat ship raids, and any exposure at Toabali or Billiton will likely draw massed enemy air attacks. There is a good chance the APDs will encounter disaster sooner or later, but this is the kind of duty they are perfect for. Rather than stripping any units from Sumatra, I may await arrival of several combat units currently enroute from India, including an American RCT and the East African unit. Those two will likely go to Toabali and Billiton, respectively. I need engineers at both bases - one unit is enroute from India; the other I may have to take from Oosthaven (probably the Kiwi pioneer unit). Ent and York are ready at Colombo, but they'll wait two days for CAs San Francisco and Indianapolis to finish upgrades.
IO/Burma: No apparent and imminent Japanese moves on Port Blair or upper Burma.
China: The big Chinese stack just arrived across river from Nanchang and report two units. The stack will now proceed to attack. This should take three or four days before the crossing occurs.
CenPac: The KB, or part thereof, is on a SE course east of Makin Island and Tarawa. Gar missed Zuikaku (the only carrier sighted, but there should be more) with a spread of six torps, and patrols picked up the TF later in the day. Allied transports to the south will spread out and flee to the south, though there's nothing really important anywhere close. With enemy carriers in CenPac, the Allies will have to be careful in the operation to occupy and build Ndeni and Vanua Lava, but it's worth a shot.
NoPac: Most of the TFs have rendezvoued to the NW of Attu Island. The final supply TF is probably two days away. The resupply/reinforcement TFs will likely go in to Para in five or six days.
SoPac: More signs of IJ focus on Savaii Island and Pago Pago (SigInt: a unit bound for IJ-controlled Savaii, and another prepping to attack Pago Pago).
DEI: The APDs are at Oosthaven. They'll make a quick supply run to Toabali, pre-positioning some supply for the troops that will follow in a week or so. It will be dangerous duty for the APDs - Oosthaven is forward port exposed to enemy combat ship raids, and any exposure at Toabali or Billiton will likely draw massed enemy air attacks. There is a good chance the APDs will encounter disaster sooner or later, but this is the kind of duty they are perfect for. Rather than stripping any units from Sumatra, I may await arrival of several combat units currently enroute from India, including an American RCT and the East African unit. Those two will likely go to Toabali and Billiton, respectively. I need engineers at both bases - one unit is enroute from India; the other I may have to take from Oosthaven (probably the Kiwi pioneer unit). Ent and York are ready at Colombo, but they'll wait two days for CAs San Francisco and Indianapolis to finish upgrades.
IO/Burma: No apparent and imminent Japanese moves on Port Blair or upper Burma.
China: The big Chinese stack just arrived across river from Nanchang and report two units. The stack will now proceed to attack. This should take three or four days before the crossing occurs.
"Rats set fire to Mr. Cooper’s store in Fort Valley. No damage done." Columbus (Ga) Enquirer-Sun, October 2, 1880.
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ORIGINAL: zuluhour
great! Im planning on visiting USNA mid morning around lunch (sorry again for hijack) I ll PM ya soon.
crsutton? you up
Thanks for the offer but I am off to Austin today for some fun. Gonna go see BB King and then hang out at the clubs. Great Music everywhere.
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I was at BB Kings joint on 42nd street this year, Luciles I think it was called. I asked for a VT and some Buddy Guy, I was quickly oblidged. Have fun.
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Come on down, crsutton! Most of us Austinites will be in Dallas for the Texas - OU game, but enjoy the town while we're away.
Speaking of which, it's 11:55am and OU still sucks!
Despite that, I predict we play them tight but lose. We're better, but not quite ready for a top 5 team.
Speaking of which, it's 11:55am and OU still sucks!
Despite that, I predict we play them tight but lose. We're better, but not quite ready for a top 5 team.