Banzais Don't Make Victories - Anachro (A) vs John 3rd (J) BTS 5.7

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: jwolf

Worst case, I hope that John III at least will let someone else pick up his game from the Japan side. He's still got a good CV force -- just not the overpowering fantasy version he had originally with this mod. I'll bet an experienced, tenacious Japanese player could still make life really difficult for Anachro.

Yeah, but it's got to be an experienced, tenacious Japanese player that can:

1. Pick up a game *right now*.
2. Is willing to possibly inherit strategic supply, HI, oil or fuel issues not of their making.
3. Is willing to start a fantasy game with the shine knocked off while the Allies get to keep most of their (admittedly
fewer) new toys.
4. Has this particular version of the fantasy mod installed and ready to go.

Not a lot of them around, I'd venture.

Still, it may be worth it to pick up the AAR and repeatedly cast shade on the strategic dispositions, fantasy OOB and woe-is-me state of affairs that the previous absentee landlord left behind. [:D]

[Anachro]

@JohnDillworth
Here are the combat losses so far, which is what I think you mean. John has really pulled back on using his Ritas as they are heavily susceptible to Allied CAP without escort and I have learned to put CAP in deep ports that he has tried to strike in the past like Calcutta or Townsville. I'll echo CBs comments from earlier and say that while the Rita is probably fantastical early in the war, it could potentially be plausible and nonetheless is a significant investment for Japan to produce in numbers. The allies also have the ability to defend against it if they learn their lessons.



@CR
Trust me, I'm not that angry, but my feelings are I want John to be 100% focused on the match. If he's gonna be 50% focused on my match or less (and claim any mistakes are because of that), and 100% focused on yours, then I'd rather him play you so I can play someone who will be focused. And if he has to drop your match to be "focused" on me, I'm sure he wouldn't be too happy and still might "dial it in."

@jwolf
I agree that Japan is still a very potent force and John might rekindle his desire to play with time. Still, it might be best to find some other JFB to pickup the torch at this point in the game (previous admiral got fired for the Kwajalein debacle, etc.). I've no doubt a 100% focused JFB who's probably more knowledgeable about game than me will make life very difficult. It might be interesting to see a shift in strategy too. Preferably, it'd be someone who hasn't looked at this AAR.

[Canoerebel]

Apparently I am unable to communicate clearly, even when communicating clearly. [:(]

[Chickenboy]

He's LOST 468 H8K Emilys? [X(] And 575 G5N Liz's? That's not how many he *has*, that's how many he's actually lost to date? Oh brother.[8|]

[Anachro]

I forgot to ask (well I did briefly in my initial post), but is it possible to conduct a 10 range port strike from carriers? Does the 7/8 hex rule only apply to naval attacks and carrier battles?

[Cheesesteak]

ORIGINAL: Anachro

I forgot to ask (well I did briefly in my initial post), but is it possible to conduct a 10 range port strike from carriers? Does the 7/8 hex rule only apply to naval attacks and carrier battles?

As the person likely to be least qualified to answer, please take this with a grain of salt: Yes. I've seen it come up in other forums and the 7/8 rule applies specifically to carrier based planes attacking naval targets.

[ITAKLinus]

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: jwolf

Worst case, I hope that John III at least will let someone else pick up his game from the Japan side. He's still got a good CV force -- just not the overpowering fantasy version he had originally with this mod. I'll bet an experienced, tenacious Japanese player could still make life really difficult for Anachro.

Yeah, but it's got to be an experienced, tenacious Japanese player that can:

1. Pick up a game *right now*.
2. Is willing to possibly inherit strategic supply, HI, oil or fuel issues not of their making.
3. Is willing to start a fantasy game with the shine knocked off while the Allies get to keep most of their (admittedly
fewer) new toys.
4. Has this particular version of the fantasy mod installed and ready to go.

Not a lot of them around, I'd venture.

Still, it may be worth it to pick up the AAR and repeatedly cast shade on the strategic dispositions, fantasy OOB and woe-is-me state of affairs that the previous absentee landlord left behind. [:D]

Just offered myself as sacrifical lamb. I don't have the MOD but I guess in case it's the easiest problem to solve.





Regarding port strikes: you can strike wherever you want provided you have range, just like you can sweep at 14hexes with Zekes. Unless I don't have a bugged version of the game [:D] (and it might be considering the many strange stuff I'm experiencing recently)

[JohnDillworth]

I meant "Liz". Its a 4 engine strategic bomber. The mod notes do say "a small strategic bomber force" so perhaps I should have tempered my sarcastic. This seems a "small" force, no?

[JohnDillworth]

Sorry Floozy Dan, the facts nonwithstanding, you have a reputation of being a homewrecker. [:D][:D][:D]

[Canoerebel]

That's only because I'm unusually supple for my age.

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

I meant "Liz". Its a 4 engine strategic bomber. The mod notes do say "a small strategic bomber force" so perhaps I should have tempered my sarcastic. This seems a "small" force, no?

I'm going to go with 'no' here most likely. If he's LOST 575, what's the build-to-date number that we're talking about? 1,000? In my definition, 1,000 4EBs in mid-1943 is not a 'small' force. YMMV.

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

That's only because I'm unusually supple for my age.

And winsome?

[JohnDillworth]

Small is relative I suppose. In all fairness this is a fantasy mod so maybe there is a situation where he has to eliminate the Rhur Valley?

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

I meant "Liz". Its a 4 engine strategic bomber. The mod notes do say "a small strategic bomber force" so perhaps I should have tempered my sarcastic. This seems a "small" force, no?

I'm going to go with 'no' here most likely. If he's LOST 575, what's the build-to-date number that we're talking about? 1,000? In my definition, 1,000 4EBs in mid-1943 is not a 'small' force. YMMV.

[Anachro]

@Itaklinus thanks for your note, but I think we'll continue in the short-term for now. I think John is simply suffering from SCLS and is looking for excuses to help him cope with what's happened. As mentioned earlier, give it some time and we should be back to posting more regularly, but we'll see. What are the chances that John has KB1 appear off Death Stars flank suddenly in the next few turns and sinks a few USN carriers? What are the chances he continues his AAR or posts in it again after that? [8D]

I sent the turn to John earlier. My SCTFs move due east as speed to get out of Japanese air range. My carriers will attempt to conduct a 10-hex port strike on Kwajalein as they make their way to Pearl. In the mean time, I am saturating the ocean between Kwajalein and Truk with submarines. Given events, we should be able to move on Lae and Horn Island in the next month in-game while reinforcing our hold on the great anchorage at Manus.

[Bearcat2]

ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth


Small is relative I suppose. In all fairness this is a fantasy mod so maybe there is a situation where he has to eliminate the Rhur Valley?

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

I meant "Liz". Its a 4 engine strategic bomber. The mod notes do say "a small strategic bomber force" so perhaps I should have tempered my sarcastic. This seems a "small" force, no?

I'm going to go with 'no' here most likely. If he's LOST 575, what's the build-to-date number that we're talking about? 1,000? In my definition, 1,000 4EBs in mid-1943 is not a 'small' force. YMMV.

Small, as in the starting factory is a size 8. Who knows how much it has been expanded.
I have pointed out in his threads how fantastical his original specs for the plane was considering the time period; he has reduced them since. The plane never approached the design specs, the original engines were a failure[same engine on the first Jills, had a tendency to just quit; which the Japanese thought was a problem for over ocean flights]. The plane was eventually replaced with a less capable but more reliable engine, the prototypes were eventually used as transports in 1943[when maintenance was able to get them in the air] and never used as bombers and they had a cruising speed under 200mph, no self sealing fuel tanks.

[jwolf]

ORIGINAL: Anachro

@Itaklinus thanks for your note, but I think we'll continue in the short-term for now. I think John is simply suffering from SCLS and is looking for excuses to help him cope with what's happened. As mentioned earlier, give it some time and we should be back to posting more regularly, but we'll see. What are the chances that John has KB1 appear off Death Stars flank suddenly in the next few turns and sinks a few USN carriers? What are the chances he continues his AAR or posts in it again after that? [8D]

I just read in another AAR a comment about playing the player as opposed to playing the game. Reading your comment above, I'm thinking of a quasi-Machiavellian ploy where you deliberately sacrifice a handful of ships to his main carrier force in order to give him a Banzai rush and renew his desire for the game. [:'(]

[Anachro]

Looks like things will be a bit spotty through Christmas as John said he'll be busy. That said, he'll try to get the next turn to me today.

I don’t know how crazy it is for you with the upcoming Holidays but we have a ton of events coming up. Things will be spotty until we cross December 25th.

As for myself, the whole extended family (couples, children, grand kids, etc.) is doing a trip Disneyworld right before Christmas. The parents are retiring to a place a couple hours outside of Orlando next year and we're doing our first Christmas there this year. Every Christmas previous has been at the old family home in California.

[JohnDillworth]

Small, as in the starting factory is a size 8. Who knows how much it has been expanded.
I have pointed out in his threads how fantastical his original specs for the plane was considering the time period; he has reduced them since. The plane never approached the design specs, the original engines were a failure[same engine on the first Jills, had a tendency to just quit; which the Japanese thought was a problem for over ocean flights]. The plane was eventually replaced with a less capable but more reliable engine, the prototypes were eventually used as transports in 1943[when maintenance was able to get them in the air] and never used as bombers and they had a cruising speed under 200mph, no self sealing fuel tanks.

4 engine aircraft were pretty sophisticated things for the time and only a couple of economies succeeded at it. Germany dabble but never really got good enough at it and had different strategic needs. Japan had an economy closer to that of Italy, not Germany and certainly not Britain or the US. Production of 4 engine strategic bombers was well beyond the capability of Japan. As you point out, the handful they produced were woefully inadequate. To produce over a thousand of them is far beyond fantasy. It is magical thinking and even that thinking would never have happened. Japan never envisioned needing a strategic bomber. For what? Bombing the US factory base? I suspect John doesn't like the allies having weapons that Japan doesn't have. Again, it is a fantasy mod so I guess anything goes

[paullus99]

Most Japanese Factories were glorified machine shops...even the concept that they could manufacture hundreds of large 4-engine bombers is beyond laughable.

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: ITAKLinus

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: jwolf

Worst case, I hope that John III at least will let someone else pick up his game from the Japan side. He's still got a good CV force -- just not the overpowering fantasy version he had originally with this mod. I'll bet an experienced, tenacious Japanese player could still make life really difficult for Anachro.

Yeah, but it's got to be an experienced, tenacious Japanese player that can:

1. Pick up a game *right now*.
2. Is willing to possibly inherit strategic supply, HI, oil or fuel issues not of their making.
3. Is willing to start a fantasy game with the shine knocked off while the Allies get to keep most of their (admittedly
fewer) new toys.
4. Has this particular version of the fantasy mod installed and ready to go.

Not a lot of them around, I'd venture.

Still, it may be worth it to pick up the AAR and repeatedly cast shade on the strategic dispositions, fantasy OOB and woe-is-me state of affairs that the previous absentee landlord left behind. [:D]

Just offered myself as sacrifical lamb. I don't have the MOD but I guess in case it's the easiest problem to solve.

Regarding port strikes: you can strike wherever you want provided you have range, just like you can sweep at 14hexes with Zekes. Unless I don't have a bugged version of the game [:D] (and it might be considering the many strange stuff I'm experiencing recently)

There is no downside to picking up a game using this mod as IJ. Your CD guns alone mean the Allies have to pay for every single landing they attempt ,and you don't even have to place them carefully. [;)]

Even with a few losses I'm sure John's overall KB strength approaches that of the Allies, especially considering there are Georges on those ships. [X(]

It would be interesting to see what a player with a strategic mindset could do in one of his mods.