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[ADDED DB v440]

Hello!

I just noticed that the JMSDF's P-1 (DBID #2936) is missing its HSQ-102 MAD. It's low priority to me, I just wanted to point this out.

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http://www.j-hangarspace.jp/jmsdf-aircraft-profiles
http://press.anu.edu.au/wp-content/uplo ... /ch101.pdf

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Thanks for posting those. The contract expires at the end of this year but the Royal Navy will likely extend it. They're also testing the SW-4 Solo helicopter to fulfil the rotary-wing unmanned aerial system (RWUAS), although there's nothing concrete to add to CMANO.
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Hi, again I.
Is it possible to model the Defense Systems KRTZ-125 - 2 M Anti-Radiation Missile Decoy System?

***ausairpower dot net/APA-SAM-DefAids dot html***

Also to assign it to the data base of Venezuela.

***i dot imgur dot com/AK1r8e6 dot jpg***
***i dot imgur dot com/PYZA0Ko dot jpg***

Thanks!

The sensor model doesn't include ARM decoys yet, I'm very sorry for that. The feature is on our to-do list though [8D]

Ok, no problem! In the future.
Saludos!
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ORIGINAL: emsoy

Added / updated these. Whacked the SSC-6 and SA-15d. Thanks! [8D]

ORIGINAL: seaman

Hello mates, I'm working on a few scenarios Colombia vs. Venezuela and suggest the following modifications and inclusions in the data base of these countries based on acquisitions of armaments and equipment

COLOMBIA
-It is necessary to model helicopter attack AH - 60 L "ARPÍA" in its three versions. It is a version artillada of the UH - 60 L of transport, as amended by the Colombian air force Sikorsky and ELBIT System collaborative. Your current version and that the fleet is being upgraded, the ARPIA 4.
-The frigates "Padilla" class this year, have been equipped with missile SSM C-Star Korean which replaces the Exocet system. The Assembly is of four missiles per boat in two assemblies duplex.
-Also, I would be remiss by modeling the tactical submarines COSMOS SX-506, intrepid ARC S-21 and ARC Indomable S-22 employees between 1973 and 2013.
-Peer is the oceanic surveillance vessels 80-OPV "20 de Julio" class
- Citation SR506 Tracker AEW For anti-narcotics operations. Use APG-66 combat radar

VENEZUELA
-Modeling advanced training aircraft / light attack Hongdu L-15 Falcon
-Modify BD 2227 SAM SA-23. The Venezuelan system use 9M82M/SA-23A and 9M83M/SA-23B missile. Similar to BD 1860 entry
-Modify BD 2253 SAM SA-3C. The Venezuelan system use P-18 radar no P-19
-Modify BD 2230 K-8W. The Venezuelan system use PL-5E no PL-5B missile
-Alligator Landing ship Alligator-3 version; Venezuelan designation "Capana" class
-Stan Patrol-4207 Patrol craft
-Stan Patrol-5009 Patrol craft
-Stan Patrol-2606 Patrol craft
-Mohajer UAV Probably Mohajer-3 version; Venezuelan designation "Arpia"
-Modify to hypothetical the BD #2161 entry (SA-15D) and DB#2281 entry (SSC-6) these purchases have not been specified to date.

Thanks! [&o]
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[UPDATED DB v440]

The OODA cycle for the generic CATOBAR carriers is very different from similar "real" carriers. Could it be changed to be more consistent with these? thanks
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Hello

I don't think that the F-35's agility rating should be downgraded based on the war-is-boring article for the following reasons.

1. Axe conveniently has an unnamed test pilot who out of nowhere defies what previous test pilots have said about the F-35 relative to the F-16 and other fighters.

From the war-is-boring article:
“The F-35 was at a distinct energy disadvantage,” the unnamed pilot wrote in a scathing five-page brief that War Is Boring has obtained.

Lt. Col Lee Kloos, a former F-16 operational tester, had the opposite to say
But compared to other aircraft, a combat-configured F-35 probably edges out other existing designs carrying a similar load-out. “When I’m downrange in Badguyland that’s the configuration I need to have confidence in maneuvering, and that’s where I think the F-35 starts to edge out an aircraft like the F-16,” Kloos says.

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-d ... dre-start/

Lockheed Martin Test Pilot Billie Flynn says its better than anything he's flown previously
"What the F-35 has is more manoeuvrability than I ever had in the CF-18 as an air show pilot," Billie Flynn told QMI Agency.

Flynn said he has flown dozens of different planes, including taking the CF-18 into combat in Kosovo and testing the Eurofighter Typhoon.

He said nothing compares to the F-35s he tests weekly in Texas.

"I'm dramatically more lethal than I ever was in those fourth-generation airplanes," Flynn said.

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/02/07/te ... about-f-35

2. The article has several other factual errors that should bring the entire thing into question (seeing as this supposedly came from a test pilot who should have been 110% familiar with his aircraft and its faults well before he ever flew it against an F-16).

From the article:
...the JSF flier discovered he couldn’t even comfortably move his head inside the radar-evading jet’s cramped cockpit. That allowed the F-16 to sneak up on him.

Judging by the pictures I could quickly google, this isn't true (also, with EODAS, it makes no sense that any plane could simply sneak up on an F-35).

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For comparison, an F-16 cockpit:

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3. The article mentions a supposedly damning five page report which mysteriously appears nowhere in the article or on the page.
The defeated flier’s five-page report is a damning litany of aerodynamic complaints targeting the cumbersome JSF.

It seems more like David has an Axe to grind than an interest in informing the world about aerospace developments [8|]

Link to the war-is-boring article posted by Mgellis:

https://medium.com/war-is-boring/test-p ... db9d11a875
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I agree with the above.

The war is boring post is not a credible source in my opinion without posting the actual document. Also seems that that site is hell bent on crucifying the F-35 and as such again I would take whatever it posts with a grain of salt.
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It was more a question than a request--I honestly didn't know how reliable that article was but I figured I should let the developers know about it. You guys know more about these things than I do, so I trust your judgment.

ORIGINAL: Tomcat84

I agree with the above.

The war is boring post is not a credible source in my opinion without posting the actual document. Also seems that that site is hell bent on crucifying the F-35 and as such again I would take whatever it posts with a grain of salt.
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Hello Mgellis

I only know so much too, but I have found a nice forum full of guys who pointed me in the right direction.

My recommendation is to go to the f-16.net forums. They have some very knowledgeable people over there you can
point you in the right direction and tell you about their experiences as engineers of various sorts, as pilots, and as contractors.

I would say that you should be wary of the following names:

David Axe
Winslow Wheeler
Solomon (on the SNAFU blog)
Pierre Sprey
Carlo Kopp

If you see an article by any of these guys that involves the F-35, don't bother reading any further, it's garbage.
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Don't forget to add Bill Sweetman to that list. He's done some great work, but when it comes to the F-35 it's hilarious how biased he is.
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Thanks guys [8D]

Have restored the F-35 defensive rating.
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Here is more info on the updates to AN/SLQ-32. I hope this is enough info to add in the next DB update. Thanks for considering.

To summarize:
SLQ-32(V)1 – A simple threat warning receiver, it was capable of receiving high-band radar signals of the type commonly carried on missiles and aircraft. The (V)1 was installed on auxiliary ships and small combatants such as frigates. This variant of the system is being phased out as current ships equipped become decommissioned.
SLQ-32(V)2 – Initially the most common variant, the (V)2 added the ability to receive surveillance and targeting radars. This provided a passive targeting capability for Harpoon missile-equipped ships. The (V)2 was installed on frigates, destroyers, and 270-foot (82 m) Coast Guard Cutters.
SLQ-32(V)3 – Expanding on the (V)2’s capabilities, the (V)3 added active radar-jamming capability. The (V)3 was installed on various combatants such as cruisers, battleships, large amphibious ships and high-value replenishment vessels.
SLQ-32(V)4 – Designed for installation on aircraft carriers, the (V)4 consisted of two (V)3 systems, one for each side of the ship, tied to a common computer and display console. Additional line replaceable units and software were added to support the wide separation of the two antenna/electronics enclosures.
SLQ-32(V)5 – The (V)5 was built as a response to the Stark incident in 1987. The (V)5 incorporated a compact version of the (V)3 system intended to give active jamming capability to the Perry class FFG’s, which were too small to carry a full (V)3.

These will be replaced with Surface Electronic Warfare Improvement Program (SEWIP). May be called AN/SLQ-32(6)?
Block 2 is upgraded EW detection and has already been installed on a Burke. rate production to start in 2015.
Block 3 is upgraded electronic attack and is planned for 2017. Contract signed. Will be installed on all ships who currently have AN/SLQ-32



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/SLQ-32_ ... fare_Suite
http://breakingdefense.com/2015/03/navy ... ional-test
https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity ... e&_cview=1
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... 4sewip.pdf
http://news.usni.org/2015/02/12/navy-aw ... op-grumman
Any idea on in service dates and technical specs?

Thanks!

Mike

I tried but couldn't find any helpful technical specs. Until these are found can a "tentative" database entry be created for this with similar but improved performance and late 2010 generation be created. From what I could find the service date for block 3 is to be 2017. Block 2 has already been installed on 1 Burke and production to start in 2015.
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[ADDED DB v440]

Unit request for new Chinese YJ-100 anti-ship cruise missile

-Based off the CJ-10 with an air-launched range range of 800 Km
-Guidance is INS, SATNAV. Active radar, and Terminal IR guidance
-Carrier will be the H-6
-High subsonic speed
-IOC by 2014?

Sources:
deagel / com / Anti / Ship / Missiles / YJ / 100 _ /a /0 /0 /2 /9 /3 /9 /0 /0 /1 / aspx
missilethreat / com / chinas / anti / ship / missiles / yj / 12 / yj / 100 / revealed /
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[UPDATED DB v440]

"Mk46 LWT Mod 4 [Mk60 CAPTOR]" and "Mk60 CAPTOR [Encapsulated Torpedo]" have range equal to kinematic range. Also, the "Mk60 CAPTOR Detection and Control unit (DCU)" that is listed as having a range of 0.7 nm seems to pick up subs at much greater range.

The result is that the CAPTOR fires at 4 nm and the target sub easily avoids the torpedo.
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I agree with the above.

The war is boring post is not a credible source in my opinion without posting the actual document. Also seems that that site is hell bent on crucifying the F-35 and as such again I would take whatever it posts with a grain of salt.

Not taking a side, but they did just that.

https://medium.com/war-is-boring/read-f ... 9a4e66f3eb

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It still doesn't explain why David Axe would not name his source. A nameless source is for the most part a useless one, especially when the motives of the writer are well known and distinctly biased against the project in question.

The unnamed pilot's statements also still stand in mysterious contrast to that of the other test pilots.

Finally, the context of the BFM wasn't fully given and ,since neither we nor Axe have this information, no relevant conclusions can be drawn.

Just my two cents.
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The unnamed pilot's statements also still stand in mysterious contrast to that of the other test pilots.
The pilot is unnamed because he released FOUO documentation to the public. The government takes that stuff seriously.

Edit: And I just looked at it; export controlled as well. Someone's getting a slap on the wrist for this one.
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Still, the official Locked Martin communicate doesn't dispute the authenticity of the report, and even recognize it. The LM communicate only say that the tested F35 didn't have/used the following elements, I'm quoting :
Aircraft AF-2 did not have the mission systems software to use the sensors that allow the F-35 to see its enemy long before it knows the F-35 is in the area. Second, AF-2 does not have the special stealth coating that operational F-35s have that make them virtually invisible to radar. And third, it is not equipped with the weapons or software that allow the F-35 pilot to turn, aim a weapon with the helmet, and fire at an enemy without having to point the airplane at its target.

All those elements have nothing to do with the ability of the aircraft to manoeuver and aren't relevant to determine it's agility.

The next quote is the recognition by LM that the F35 isn't made for dogfight :
The F-35's technology is designed to engage, shoot, and kill its enemy from long distances, not necessarily in visual "dogfighting" situations.


This, to me, is the clear demonstration that the comments of the pilot are true, the F35 can't manoeuver as well as a F16 or a F15. However, this doesn't mean it cannot win a dogfight, but it will do by other means than agility.

Furthermore, War is Boring provided the complete report, who cares of the name of the pilot, this is clearly authentical, otherwise LM would have saied otherwise. And the comments made in this report are very clear and detailed :Here

Lasty, facts are here, the F35 have a high wing loading ratio, the internal bay cause higher baseline drag, the plane itself is heavy with a thrust to weight ratio lower than many of contemporary fighters. Furthermore, the lift of the F35 is only provided by its wings, and it doesnt' have any canards or thrust vectoring to compensate its aerodynamic flaws. There is little room for a miracle.
Lastly, the pilot has a terrible rear visibility,the pictures displayed earlier proved it.
Guess why the F35 still hasn't been seen in any aerial solo display.

Ingame, because it's what interests us, it was obvious that the F35 didn't deserved the same mark as the Typhoon or the Rafale, and this report is only the clear proof of it. It's clear that it won't be as manoeuvrable as the F16 nor the F15, hence, its should definitely go down to 4 in agility, 4.5 at max.
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ORIGINAL: SuaveWatermelon

It still doesn't explain why David Axe would not name his source. A nameless source is for the most part a useless one, especially when the motives of the writer are well known and distinctly biased against the project in question.

The unnamed pilot's statements also still stand in mysterious contrast to that of the other test pilots.

Finally, the context of the BFM wasn't fully given and ,since neither we nor Axe have this information, no relevant conclusions can be drawn.

Just my two cents.

It's rare for journalists to name their sources publicly. That being said, I'm sure that anyone who wants/needs to know can figure out who the source is.
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Thanks guys. So what's the conclusion? 4.5 or 5.0?
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