GC 41 2ndAcr (G) vs Kelblau (S) No Kelblau

2ndACR · Post by **2ndACR** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 12:53 am

Casualties turn 51

2ndACR · Post by **2ndACR** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 12:54 am

And finally, for the numbers count. His manpower is scary, but not even 2 to 1 in tanks. Also air force is large.

2ndACR · Post by **2ndACR** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 12:55 am

I need to do a leader wash out too. Seems I missed some replacements of leaders the computer did.

2ndACR · Post by **2ndACR** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 3:17 am

Turn 52

Okay, first success and advance. But it cost me a lot of casualties for it.

Stopped cold in the south with heavy losses. But his forts are down to level 2 now.

2ndACR · Post by **2ndACR** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 3:18 am

OOOPS

He lost over 120 bombers in 2 air strikes. Here is a shot of 1 of them. Nice to see my CAP works.

randallw · Post by **randallw** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 5:22 am

Bombing does not drop fort levels, since someone was sort of asking.

2ndACR · Post by **2ndACR** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 6:31 pm

Turn 53

I have had to commit my armor to break thru his lines. Did not want to do that, but had no choice. I have gotten thru the first set of level 4 forts in 2 locations. 1 up north and 1 down south. I will have to use them to kick another stack out of each and then I can bring in infantry stacks to widen that way I will have 9-12 divisions on each fort.

2ndACR · Post by **2ndACR** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 6:33 pm

Turn 53 Casualties.

Here is what it cost me to break thru his first row.

2ndACR · Post by **2ndACR** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 8:31 pm

Turn 54

The grind continues. Only my armor is making any progress at all against the level 4 forts. I have battered my way farther in the south. He pulled back between my 2 pincers last turn to hes next line of level 4 forts.

He has moved massive amounts of troops to the area, so now I just don't know if it can be done. And I had, from what I have seen, the most rested, full strength German army coming out of the blizzard. Of course, he just dug in. I almost think that is the way to go. Almost impossible to make any headway to get started again. I am going to waste my entire offensive just trying to crack his line.

Flaviusx · Post by **Flaviusx** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 8:42 pm

Don't despair.

Soviet morale looks damned shaky; once they are out of their forts they're routing it seems. Not taking advantage of the blizzard to train up his units is going to hurt him.

You don't need to destroy an entire line to dislocate it, just enough to get at the succeeding line. And he can't replace those level 4 forts quickly.

cookie monster · Post by **cookie monster** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 8:46 pm

Looks like a difficult situation.

In a way he's got a good screw on.

He's attriting your most valuable units and can still maintain a solid line.

2ndACR · Post by **2ndACR** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 8:47 pm

That is true, just so disheartening watching my proud little guys take 3500+ casualties every attack. But they are routing, probably more from the 3 unit stack behind them so they are forced to rout.

I figure he has 3 more rows of level 4 forts at least in front of the southern force. Recon shows he has stripped forces from the north for the south. Only a 3 unit stack all along the northern front. But I lack the strength up there to even try to bust thru.

MrLongleg · Post by **MrLongleg** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 9:17 pm

ORIGINAL: 2ndACR

That is true, just so disheartening watching my proud little guys take 3500+ casualties every attack. But they are routing, probably more from the 3 unit stack behind them so they are forced to rout.

I figure he has 3 more rows of level 4 forts at least in front of the southern force. Recon shows he has stripped forces from the north for the south. Only a 3 unit stack all along the northern front. But I lack the strength up there to even try to bust thru.

I really believe that you are better off like that - otherwise you would have lost 1 million precious and experienced troops in the winter. You can afford some losses now.

As soon as you break through with two pincers he will have to retreat and than hunting season is opened, because those retreating units won't have much protection.

Mynok · Post by **Mynok** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 9:49 pm

ORIGINAL: 2ndACR

That is true, just so disheartening watching my proud little guys take 3500+ casualties every attack. But they are routing, probably more from the 3 unit stack behind them so they are forced to rout.

I figure he has 3 more rows of level 4 forts at least in front of the southern force. Recon shows he has stripped forces from the north for the south. Only a 3 unit stack all along the northern front. But I lack the strength up there to even try to bust thru.

Your proud little guys aren't proud little guys anymore. They are pussies in lions clothes. It is totally stunning to me how permanently devastating the 41 winter is to German infantry. Is that really historical? I mean, there is NO FREAKING WAY that the Axis will ever duplicate the 42 offensive in this game. Not against a human. Not going to happen. Never.

Axis panzers are maneuver units. To do so, they need room. Axis infantry provides that. But only in 41. After that they are midwives in petticoats begging someone please open the door.

randallw · Post by **randallw** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 11:27 pm

The game sure could use a big tweak, differentiating between green troops in the replacement/formation pool and experienced ones returning from being disabled.

Mynok · Post by **Mynok** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 11:39 pm

Yes, it does appear so.

PeeDeeAitch · Post by **PeeDeeAitch** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 11:55 pm

THAT is the key, I think. Not that the winter itself is so bad (it is, but it should be) but that the returning men all suffered brain-freeze as well as frostbite and forgot their training.

2ndACR · Post by **2ndACR** » Sun Feb 06, 2011 12:20 am

Turn 55.

The grind continues. Finally found a level 3 fort. Yeah. 3 of my panzer div are almost shells with only 80 tanks each instead of the 160 they had. CV of 6 end turn. CV of 13-14 before turn. Down from 20+ at offensive start.

My infantry are useless against these heavy forts, 9 div barely can muster 500 CV but the enemy has 540 so they take a beating. And then those 9 cannot be used the next turn.

I probably could break thru, but it will shatter my panzer div which I doubt could be rebuilt by winter. I think we have found the way to defeat the German right here. Just dig in and NOT attack during the blizzard just dig in. The German will shatter his army trying to make any progress for you. Then you can hit him blizzard 42 and destroy him.

2ndACR · Post by **2ndACR** » Sun Feb 06, 2011 12:22 am

Turn 55 casualties

Compare this to turn 51 at top of this page and look at the destruction delivered on my Panzer Corp. I am seeing PzIIIg back on my front line.

2ndACR · Post by **2ndACR** » Sun Feb 06, 2011 12:23 am

Turn 55 advances.

Here can see the scant 10 miles I advanced to day. He is pulling back and has units digging every hex for 60 miles.

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