A discussion about our Community and Moderation.

[Ian R]

ORIGINAL: warspite1



Come on Trugrit, you can't believe that to be true... can you?

Yes he can, and it is not your place to either:

(a) impose your opinion on him; nor

(b) gaslight him by using an insinuating tone that suggests there is something faulty in his mental processes if he believes that.

And yes, (b) is just what you did Warspite.

Edit: spelling.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: Ian R

ORIGINAL: warspite1



Come on Trugrit, you can't believe that to be true... can you?

Yes he can, and it is not your place to either:

(a) impose your opinion on him; nor

(b) gaslight him by using an insinuating tone that suggests there is something faulty in his mental processes if he believes that.

And yes, (b) is just what you did Warspite.

Edit: spelling.

warspite1

Funny, I thought it was a discussion. But I am glad you added the last sentence cos that defo confirms what I did right? [8|]

What a strange comment.....

Despite the nonsense you spouted, the simple fact is that when one sees what Trugrit suggested in black and white, I would hope he may re-consider. Now of course he may not and that is up to him.

So talk of 'imposing' and 'gaslighting' is simply more hysterial outpouring that sadly seems to be in generous supply of late.

[Alpha77]

I like a bit of drama (being honest here as usual) but can ppl. try to put some effort into the quoting function????

You DO NOT need to quote the whole post and then 2 or 3 times even, you CAN delete all the stuff and quote only the part your response is meant for[8|]

Thanks [:-] (and my remark above should be made by a "mod" already - cause it is quite common here and makes the reading often difficult)

[Trugrit]

Well,

First of all Warspite what are you doing here?

I can’t remember you ever helping a new player with anything game related.
You don’t post explanations on game mechanics. You are never in the Tech section
trying to help a new player install or configure the game.

I can run a WITP-AE forum search on any game related topic I want and you don’t appear.
You have nothing game related to offer this game or forum.

You are like an ambulance chasing lawyer who shows up after the fact because
you think there is a profit for you in blood and gore.

You are only here because of controversy and the only reason is to stick your nose in it.
You are just here to troll people.

When you say come on Trugrit…...That is a troll.

Why would I answer any question you put to me? I just don’t care about you.

[Ian R]

ORIGINAL: Alfred

Despite the nonsense you spouted,

The irony here is palpable.

Sorry old man, but you rather walked right into that.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: Ian R

ORIGINAL: Alfred

Despite the nonsense you spouted,

The irony here is palpable.

Sorry old man, but you rather walked right into that.

warspite1

What do you mean? You spouted complete nonsense at me. By suggesting my response equates with Alfred's treatment of newbies is rather unfortunate. Good trolling though. Well done.

[Ian R]

[Edited in accordance with Alpha's request to pare down the quote:]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

You spouted complete nonsense at me. By suggesting my response equates with Alfred's treatment of newbies ...

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: Trugrit


Well,

First of all Warspite what are you doing here?

I can’t remember you ever helping a new player with anything game related.
You don’t post explanations on game mechanics. You are never in the Tech section
trying to help a new player install or configure the game.

I can run a WITP-AE forum search on any game related topic I want and you don’t appear.
You have nothing game related to offer this game or forum.

You are like an ambulance chasing lawyer who shows up after the fact because
you think there is a profit for you in blood and gore.

You are only here because of controversy and the only reason is to stick your nose in it.
You are just here to troll people.

When you say come on Trugrit…...That is a troll.

Why would I answer any question you put to me? I just don’t care about you.

warspite1

Ah Trugrit, you sadly have a short memory. We have conversed on the forum a number of times in the past and we've always got along in the past.

I've been involved in this forum pretty much from the day I arrived at Matrix - I was involved in the write ups for the MWIF game and thought this would be a good place to come for help with US and Japanese ships in particular. And I got it too.

I've always been here for the history angle and indeed made an ill-fated attempt to learn the game a year or so back.

I am not here to troll or to cause trouble (quite the reverse) and I have as much right as anyone, including you, to be here.

But no problem. If you don't wish to answer any question that is entirely up to you. Your answer says more about you than it does about me.

Thank you for your time.

[Zovs]

Have the flames subsided yet, nope....back into my hole....lol

I have been playing war games since 1978, and if a newbie to war games came here and saw 7 pages (and counting) of the flame wars of community, moderation and Alfred they would be like WTF is this?



You guyz are funny in a way and kind of sad in another way and I am right there with you, crazy.

They used to look at us as nutz cause we used to push little card board chits (we correct them of course and say they are counters) around this big mostly white maps with a bit of green and brown on them with some squiggly lines of blue and whomp and whoop when we rolled a 6 sided dice and proudly exclaim Defender Eliminated!

Now they think we are nutz cause we argue for days on end about digital infractions in our digital war games.

I think God will one day say you silly little boys...

[Alpha77]

ORIGINAL: warspite1
it's their rules and they have decided to adopt them. You, like all of us, have a choice. Agree to abide by the forum rules or not. Entirely your choice.

Well in the PDF Erik posted there is no detail what is now (as a new rule?) allowed or not.
I cannot remember too I got some kind of PM from MG that their rules were updated [&:]

They need to provide details which kind of pics they still like or not, or better (imo) just say pics w/ any humans or body parts of them are forbidden now. This would solve the issue and it would be clear.[;)]

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: Alpha77

ORIGINAL: warspite1
it's their rules and they have decided to adopt them. You, like all of us, have a choice. Agree to abide by the forum rules or not. Entirely your choice.

Well in the PDF Erik posted there is no detail what is now (as a new rule?) allowed or not.
I cannot remember too I got some kind of PM from MG that their rules were updated [&:]

They need to provide details which kind of pics they still like or not, or better (imo) just say pics w/ any humans or body parts of them are forbidden now. This would solve the issue and it would be clear.[;)]

warspite1

Okay, so why don't you PM Erik or Edmon, as they requested, to ask this?

Personally, though I may be wrong, I think there is a degree of common sense here but I agree we all like certainty.

Example. Picture of Betty White posted earlier. In a thread to commemorate her service to country or an off topic about [what ever program she was in] then fine.

In a thread entitled Australian Beauties - which was essentially designed to be a celebration of female beauty (in all its forms), that would now be forbidden.

Why the difference? Don't ask me, I was born in a different time [;)] but my guess is that in the former there is context and in the latter it could be seen as objectifying. But as said, I don't always understand today's sensibilities, so you would need to seek clarification from Erik.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: Zovs

I think God will one day say you silly little boys...

warspite1

Lol. I think that God says that to every moron that starts a war, so we will have plenty of company [;)][:D]

[Ian R]

Good Night Warspite.

[RangerJoe]

Right off the bat, Alfred's tone was "look at this idiot." It was extremely offputting to be told this, when it was, in fact, not at all what I was doing:

So now you are putting an attitude to his tone. He was merely trying to help and in fact was giving good advice to make sure that the correct air unit went onto the preferred ship.

The "golden idol" and "forum golden boy" were also unnecessary name calling as well.

In fact, if you read from other posters, they were happy to receive the information given and not just from Alfred. That way, they did not have to ask the same questions themselves. What is a problem is when someone posts a question, did not like the answer given, then shortly afterwards will ask the same thing only it is slightly reworded. To me, it appears that you developed an attitude fairly quickly . . .

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: Zovs

Have the flames subsided yet, nope....back into my hole....lol

I have been playing war games since 1978, and if a newbie to war games came here and saw 7 pages (and counting) of the flame wars of community, moderation and Alfred they would be like WTF is this?



You guyz are funny in a way and kind of sad in another way and I am right there with you, crazy.

They used to look at us as nutz cause we used to push little card board chits (we correct them of course and say they are counters) around this big mostly white maps with a bit of green and brown on them with some squiggly lines of blue and whomp and whoop when we rolled a 6 sided dice and proudly exclaim Defender Eliminated!

Now they think we are nutz cause we argue for days on end about digital infractions in our digital war games.

I think God will one day say you silly little boys...

DAT's right!

In fact, there was probably one group of individuals who would have told you when you did not like something or how something was done "Suck it up Buttercup!" or words to that affect. Then you might even have to do some upper body physical training for them!

[Erik Rutins]

I'll be posting a new comprehensive post later today. Too much work to still get through to reply in more detail right now, but a few observations based on what's happened in this thread since I made my initial post...

Some folks have been saying that moderation and rules enforcement is the issue, but I think it's clear that the community was and remains divided with regard to Alfred and that would have been the case without any moderation. In fact, that division and the negative effect it was having on the community had lead to several forum members already leaving before any moderation action was taken. I'll set out the evidence I have on this later today so that those who still think that Alfred was just "brusque" can see what I saw when I decided to issue that ban.

There also appear to be more than a few forum members who see moderation actions to enforce rules as an attack on the community and consider locking threads as remarkably bad. I'm going to try to set that straight as well and provide the evidence as I see it as well as explain the purpose of enforcement and how we see the severity of each action.

I'll also be discussing the questions around the nuances of what the new rules mean. The Derby House Principles are principles rather than politics, though I understand how they can be taken politically. My first post in this thread addressed that head on.

No forum member, regardless of how long they've been here or their post count, is exempt from the forum rules. You all agreed to them as a condition of registering an account. No one other than Matrix Games "owns" this forum. I set out in my initial post what we'd like this forum to be and I think that's the kind of place just about all of us would be comfortable in. It's not going to be something other than that. Perhaps it has been at times something other than that, but it's now going to be what it should have been and I think that still encompasses 99% of what has been posted in this forum over the last ten years. The rest is for private messages or other forums.

More later today...

Regards,

- Erik

[Ian R]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

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Looks like we're obsolete. See you in the life boat, Ranger Joe.

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: Ian R

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

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Looks like we're obsolete. See you in the life boat, Ranger Joe.

Well, I won't need a life preserver - PHAT FLOATS!

[Ian R]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: Ian R

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

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Looks like we're obsolete. See you in the life boat, Ranger Joe.

Well, I won't need a life preserver - PHAT FLOATS!

Indeed - should be up and running soonish, I'll be in touch.

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: Ian R

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: Ian R






Looks like we're obsolete. See you in the life boat, Ranger Joe.

Well, I won't need a life preserver - PHAT FLOATS!

Indeed - should be up and running soonish, I'll be in touch.

Sent you a Direct Message at another location.