MWiF Tutorial

[Shannon V. OKeets]

Ok, thanks.

[Froonp]

I am not keen on using anything other than arrows. Fine detail gets lost at lower zoom levels.

Any shade of blue would be problematic since straits symbols often parallel (and are close to) sea area boundaries (e.g., Gibraltar and Frederikshavn).

I am thinking of making the countries boundaries a darker red. Right now they are very bright relative to the rest of the map. That would make the straits and country boundries somewhat different when they are in close proximity.

Yes for the countries borders.
For the straits, why not some arrow with a larger head, and some yellow outline ?

[Shannon V. OKeets]

This picture will be a surprise for many of you.

I changed the country border colors to match the country names. It looked weird to me for about 5 seconds and then my brain processed that the color maroon was for countries. This makes Rhineland (Ge) and Sudetenland (Ge) make more sense. It also makes the red objective cities jump off the map as important.
I added white shadowing for the names of the major powers. Chris had tried this for all the names on the map but it caused some players difficulty in reading the labels. I like the effect for the major powers and I'm considering using it for all the country names (but no more than that).

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets
I changed the country border colors to match the country names. It looked weird to me for about 5 seconds and then my brain processed that the color maroon was for countries.

Isn't it possible to have a red that would be between the one of the countries label, and the bright red ? Why not dotted Yellow / dark Red lines ?

This makes Rhineland (Ge) and Sudetenland (Ge) make more sense. It also makes the red objective cities jump off the map as important.

YEs, definitely, and this is very good.
Too bad that your picture did not show any strait.

I added white shadowing for the names of the major powers. Chris had tried this for all the names on the map but it caused some players difficulty in reading the labels. I like the effect for the major powers and I'm considering using it for all the country names (but no more than that).

Only for the countries (size 15 and more) but not for the territories.
Wouldn't a black shadowing look better ?

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: Froonp

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets
I changed the country border colors to match the country names. It looked weird to me for about 5 seconds and then my brain processed that the color maroon was for countries.

Isn't it possible to have a red that would be between the one of the countries label, and the bright red ? Why not dotted Yellow / dark Red lines ?

This makes Rhineland (Ge) and Sudetenland (Ge) make more sense. It also makes the red objective cities jump off the map as important.

YEs, definitely, and this is very good.
Too bad that your picture did not show any strait.

I added white shadowing for the names of the major powers. Chris had tried this for all the names on the map but it caused some players difficulty in reading the labels. I like the effect for the major powers and I'm considering using it for all the country names (but no more than that).

Only for the countries (size 15 and more) but not for the territories.
Wouldn't a black shadowing look better ?

Here is black shadowing, applied to labels size 15 and above. I had to double it from 1 to 2 to make it visible.

I like the borders matching the labels. If we change one we should change both. The maroon looks good to me.

Forget about dashed lines, zoom levels makes a mess of them.

I also like the straits symbols. They need merely to be functional, not glitzy.

[Shannon V. OKeets]

With white shadows I only need a thickness of 1. I like the results here.

[lomyrin]

I prefer the white shading.
 
The straits arrows stand out better now that the country border colors have been darkened.
 
Lars

[Zorachus99]

Looks more intuitive.

[christo]

white highlights is my vote as well. the black looks too heavy.

Christo

[Shannon V. OKeets]

Another new page. Did I get this right, Patrice?

[christo]

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

Another new page. Did I get this right, Patrice?

I was under the impression that you were allowed to land move to the NE of Amsterdam because this is a canal not a sea hexside. This obviously has the combat benefit for the defender but does not preclude movement. i agree about the move straight east though as this is the Zuider Zee.

Christo

[lomyrin]

Yes, you can move from Amsterdam to the hex northeast of it across the canal. You can also attack across this canal and then it is treated as a river.
 
Lars

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets
Another new page. Did I get this right, Patrice?

You did and you didnt'.
11.14 says :
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11.14 Invasions
(...)
You may only invade an enemy controlled coastal hex that has at least 1 all-sea hexside (at least part, but not necessarily all, of this coastal hexside must touch upon the sea area where the TRS is located). You can only invade with face-up land units on TRSs in the sea area. The TRS must be in the 1, 2, 3 or 4 section of the sea-box. Only infantry class units can invade.
(...)
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The "must touch upon the sea area where the TRS is located" part does not mean that it must be adjacent with an hexdot from a sea area. There was such a rule in the past, for Pacific scaled hexes, but it disappeared.
This sentence applies to only saying that obviously, you can't invade, for example, Hong-Kong from the South China Sea. Your TRS / AMPH must lie in the sea area where the invaded hex is adjacent to.

So, Stettin is perfectly invadable, the hex east of Bordeaux is too.

The Zuider Zee is another matter. It was clarified by Harry a long time ago :
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Q. Is the Zuider Zee a part of the sea zone or a lake (is W0936 Invadable?)
A. Lake, no - Canals are river hexsides.
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So, the waterway NE of Amsterdam is considered as a canal (you should add it to your list of Canals in the other Tutorial page), and the Zuider Zee is considered as a lake. Hexes E and SE of Amsterdam are not adjacent to the North Sea, no shore bombardment here, no invasion, no debarking.

[Froonp]

I like the double white shading of the sea areas.
I prefer the black double shading rathert than the simple white shading.

You are not yet using the latest CSV files where I repositionned Liverpool and Glasgow and Edinburgh Port [:D].

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: Froonp

I like the double white shading of the sea areas.
I prefer the black double shading rathert than the simple white shading.

You are not yet using the latest CSV files where I repositionned Liverpool and Glasgow and Edinburgh Port [:D].

I did all the screen shots for the 3rd tutorial several days ago. I put the text in afterwards.

Is there a name for the Zuider Zee canal? Amsterdam canal? I would like to clearly label it as a canal rather than depend on the visual image (or someone having read Harry's adjudication).

Right now you are being outvoted on the use of thick black versus thin white shadows. Not that voting will necessarily change my mind, but it does have an influence.

"... this coastal hexside must touch upon the sea area ..." is really bad phrasing and does not communicate what is intended at all well. I'll try to come up with better words to explain the rule to new players.

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets
Is there a name for the Zuider Zee canal? Amsterdam canal? I would like to clearly label it as a canal rather than depend on the visual image (or someone having read Harry's adjudication).

I don't know if there is a name, and I don't know if it is really a "canal" in reality.
Reality, is that the Zuider Zee is a lake closed from the Sea by a Dam. The Dam was built in 1927-1932.
I'm not even sure that there are locks to allow shipping inside. But, even if there are, invasions and other war-things are impossible.
There is a road on the dam, allowing crossing, a-la river crossing, thus the "Canal" hexside. Representing the "crossing" as a river would not feel right neither, as real geography is not like a river here, so I guess that a canal is the best finally.

Right now you are being outvoted on the use of thick black versus thin white shadows. Not that voting will necessarily change my mind, but it does have an influence.

No problems.

"... this coastal hexside must touch upon the sea area ..." is really bad phrasing and does not communicate what is intended at all well. I'll try to come up with better words to explain the rule to new players.

It is bad phrasing, maybe, but "adjacent" would be worse maybe too, because one could argue that you can invade from an adjacent sea area, thus invading Bordeaux from the North Sea, which would be totaly out of the scope of the rule.
"Touch upon" is not that bad, it was understood by me as it was meant to be.
Could have been said : "An hex that is a coastal hex of this sea area". Which is longer and more complicated sentence.

[Froonp]

About the Zuider Zee.
- Rob need to redraw it as a Lake.
- I need to code this area as a Lake too in the CSV files, this is easy to change.
- I also need to code the "crossing" (the Dam (Afsluitdijk as it seems to be called)) as a canal in the CSV files too, as it is not done.

[Shannon V. OKeets]

Two more pages - less controversial I hope.

Clearly there is more to say, but all I am trying to do here is give the players a sense of what the icons mean and a taste of their role during game play.

[Shannon V. OKeets]

Second and last in the series. Again this is a only light introduction to the production subsystem.

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets
Is there a name for the Zuider Zee canal? Amsterdam canal? I would like to clearly label it as a canal rather than depend on the visual image (or someone having read Harry's adjudication).

I don't know if there is a name, and I don't know if it is really a "canal" in reality.
Reality, is that the Zuider Zee is a lake closed from the Sea by a Dam. The Dam was built in 1927-1932.
I'm not even sure that there are locks to allow shipping inside. But, even if there are, invasions and other war-things are impossible.
There is a road on the dam, allowing crossing, a-la river crossing, thus the "Canal" hexside. Representing the "crossing" as a river would not feel right neither, as real geography is not like a river here, so I guess that a canal is the best finally.

It is called the Afsluitdijk (Closure-dike).
See here for details, and a picture : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afsluitdijk
Also, there was a battle fought for it in 1940, mentionned in the article, without details.
Also, it mentions a system of locks for the ships to enter it. So making the hexes of Zuider Zee available for debarking units (not invading) and providing supply from the North Sea for the troops who control the Afsluitdijk seems to have a sense, but I do not believe that WiF would have the game mechanic to support this antagonism (not invadable, not bombarbadle, but debarkable and suppliable from the sea).