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PM coffee tithe. [&o]
Mike
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Cripes I'm bored chaps [>:] I may actually be glad to be back at work on Thursday, somewhere different to be bored [:D]
What do you think to this, based on the RN post war Tiger class cruisers. It's artwork I've done for someone else's mod.
What do you think to this, based on the RN post war Tiger class cruisers. It's artwork I've done for someone else's mod.
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And a RN G3 class battlecruiser.
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And an N3 class battleship
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Thanks mate, I thought it was about time for a change [:)] This one might last a few weeks [:D]
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Year 61:
Celtic revolt in Britain led by Boudicca, Queen of the Iceni. She is defeated in the Battle of Watling Street and killed by the Roman governor, Suetonius Paulinus.
After defeating the Iceni, the Romans begin the process of Romanizing Britain. They create Roman-style cities, install a Roman administration and build roads.
Galba becomes governor of Hispania Tarraconensis.
Celtic revolt in Britain led by Boudicca, Queen of the Iceni. She is defeated in the Battle of Watling Street and killed by the Roman governor, Suetonius Paulinus.
After defeating the Iceni, the Romans begin the process of Romanizing Britain. They create Roman-style cities, install a Roman administration and build roads.
Galba becomes governor of Hispania Tarraconensis.
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The Battle of Watling Street?? [X(] [&:]
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The Battle of Watling Street (sometimes the Battle of Paulerspury) took place in Roman-occupied Britain in 60 or 61 AD between an alliance of indigenous Brythonic tribes and the Romans. Though outnumbered by more than 20 to 1, the Romans held their ground against the British hordes and gained victory. The revolt had shaken Rome's hold on its new province, but victory secured Roman rule in Britain, a period that lasted until 410.[1] The precise location of the battle is not known, but most historians place it between Londinium and Viroconium (Wroxeter in Shropshire), on the Roman Road now known as Watling Street. This name for the road originated in Anglo-Saxon times, thus the modern name of the battle is anachronistic.
Background
In 43 AD, Rome invaded south-eastern Britain.[2] The conquest was gradual. While some kingdoms were defeated militarily and occupied, others were for the time being allowed to remain nominally independent as allies of the Roman empire.[3] One such tribe was the Iceni in what is now Norfolk. Their king, Prasutagus, secured his independence by leaving his lands jointly to his daughters and to the Roman emperor in his will. But when he died, in 61 or shortly before, his will was ignored. The Romans seized his lands and violently humiliated his family: his widow, Boudica, was flogged, and their daughters raped.[4] Roman financiers called in their loans, which must have placed an increased burden of taxation of the Iceni.[5]
While the Roman Governor of Britain, Gaius Suetonius Paulinus, was campaigning in Wales, the Iceni, led by Boudica, revolted.[6] The Iceni allied with their neighbors the Trinovantes, whose former capital, Camulodunum (Colchester), was now a colony for Roman veterans. To add insult to injury, the Romans erected a temple to the former emperor Claudius in the city, built at expense to the Trinovantes. The Iceni descended on Camulodunum and destroyed it, killing all those who could not escape.[7] Boudica and her army headed for Londinium (London), as did Suetonius and a small portion of his cavalry, but, concluding he did not have the numbers to defend it, evacuated the city. It, too, was burnt to the ground and every inhabitant who could not get away was killed.[8]
While Boudica's army engaged in an orgy of destruction, going North to wreak destruction on Verulamium (St. Albans), Suetonius marched north along the main Roman road of Britain, now known as Watling Street, and regrouped his forces. According to Tacitus, he amassed a force including his own Legio XIV Gemina, parts of the XX Valeria Victrix, and any available auxiliaries, a total of 10,000 men.[9] A third legion, II Augusta, near Exeter, inexplicably failed to join him;[10] a fourth, IX Hispana, had been routed trying to relieve Camulodunum.[11] The size of Boudica's army is estimated at almost a quarter of a million.[12]
Heavily outnumbered, Suetonius chose his battleground carefully. Traveling north along present-day Watling Street with Boudica and her army close behind, Paulinus chose a narrow gorge with a forest behind him, opening out into a wide plain. The gorge protected the Roman flanks from attack, whilst the forest would impede approach from the rear. This removed Boudica's advantage of numbers by preventing her from bringing large numbers into close combat, and the open plain in front made ambushes impossible. Suetonius placed his legionaries in close order, with lightly-armed auxiliaries on the flanks and cavalry on the wings.[11]
As their armies arranged, the commanders sought to motivate their soldiers. The Roman historian Tacitus, who wrote of the battle no more than fifty years later, recorded Boudica's speech to her followers: "Nothing is safe from Roman pride and arrogance. They will deface the sacred and will deflower our virgins. Win the battle or perish, that is what I, a woman, will do."[13]
The Britons placed their wagon train in a crescent at the large end of the field, from which point their wives and children could watch what they expected to be an overwhelming victory.[9] Two German leaders, Boiorix of the Cimbri and Ariovistus, of the Suebi, are reported to have done the same thing in their battles against Gaius Marius and Julius Caesar respectively.[14]
Tacitus also wrote of Suetonius addressing his legionaries: "Ignore the racket made by these savages. There are more women than men in their ranks. They are not soldiers - they're not even properly equipped. We've beaten them before and when they see our weapons and feel our spirit, they'll crack. Stick together. Throw the javelins, then push forward: knock them down with your shields and finish them off with your swords. Forget about booty. Just win and you'll have the lot."[15] Although Tacitus, like many historians of his day, was given to invent stirring speeches for such occasions, Suetonius's speech here is unusually blunt and practical. Tacitus's father-in-law, the future governor Gnaeus Julius Agricola, was on Suetonius's staff at the time and may have reported it fairly accurately.[16]
Boudica led her army forward across the plain and into the narrowing field in a massive frontal attack. As they advanced, they were channeled into a tightly packed mass. At approximately forty yards, their advance was staggered by a volley of Roman pila, the Roman javelin. The pilum was designed to bend when it hit a shield, making it impossible to pull out; the enemy would either be encumbered with a heavy iron spear weighing down his shield, or have to discard it and fight unprotected;[17] very few if any of the Britons would have had any armour. A second volley followed, as each Roman legionary carried two pila.[18] This tactic destroyed any organised advance by the Britons.
With the Britons in disarray, Paulinus ordered his legionaries and auxiliaries to push forward in the standard Roman wedge formation, creating a front line that took the appearance of the teeth of a handsaw. With their superior discipline, the Romans were able to continue fighting as fiercely as ever. With a clear advantage in armour, weapons and discipline, this gave them a decisive edge in the close quarters fighting against the tightly packed British. The cavalry, lances extended, then entered the fray. As British losses quickly mounted, the Britons tried to retreat, but their flight was blocked by the ring of wagons; they were massacred. The cavalry attacked from the flanks as the infantry advanced. The Romans killed not only the warriors but also the women, children and even pack animals. Tacitus says that according to one estimate, 80,000 Britons fell compared to only 400 Romans.[10]
Boudica is said by Tacitus to have poisoned herself;[10] Dio Cassius says she fell ill and died and was given a lavish burial.[19] Poenius Postumus, prefect of the 2nd legion, which had failed to join the battle, having robbed his men of a share of the glory, committed suicide by falling on his sword.[10]
The site of the battle is not given by either historian, although Tacitus gives a brief description.[10] Legend places it at Battle Bridge Road in King's Cross, London, although from reading Tacitus it is unlikely Suetonius returned to the city. Most historians favour a site in the West Midlands, probably along the Roman road of Watling Street between Londinium and Viroconium (Wroxeter in Shropshire), now the A5. Plausible suggestions include Manduessedum (Mancetter), near Atherstone in Warwickshire,[20] a site close to High Cross in Leicestershire,[21] a small dip at Cuttle Mill, two miles south-east of Lactodorum (Towcester) in Northamptonshire,[22] or a site at Kings Norton close to Metchley Camp in Birmingham.[23]
Aftermath
The emperor Nero, it is said, was so shaken by these events that he considered withdrawing from Britain altogether,[24] but with the revolt brought to a decisive end, the conquest of Britain continued. Suetonius was relieved of the governorship and replaced by the more conciliatory Publius Petronius Turpilianus.[25] This was not the end of resistance to Roman rule: Venutius of the Brigantes would lead another, less well documented but possibly more successful, revolt in 69.[26]
Here's a Wiki article:
The Battle of Watling Street (sometimes the Battle of Paulerspury) took place in Roman-occupied Britain in 60 or 61 AD between an alliance of indigenous Brythonic tribes and the Romans. Though outnumbered by more than 20 to 1, the Romans held their ground against the British hordes and gained victory. The revolt had shaken Rome's hold on its new province, but victory secured Roman rule in Britain, a period that lasted until 410.[1] The precise location of the battle is not known, but most historians place it between Londinium and Viroconium (Wroxeter in Shropshire), on the Roman Road now known as Watling Street. This name for the road originated in Anglo-Saxon times, thus the modern name of the battle is anachronistic.
Background
In 43 AD, Rome invaded south-eastern Britain.[2] The conquest was gradual. While some kingdoms were defeated militarily and occupied, others were for the time being allowed to remain nominally independent as allies of the Roman empire.[3] One such tribe was the Iceni in what is now Norfolk. Their king, Prasutagus, secured his independence by leaving his lands jointly to his daughters and to the Roman emperor in his will. But when he died, in 61 or shortly before, his will was ignored. The Romans seized his lands and violently humiliated his family: his widow, Boudica, was flogged, and their daughters raped.[4] Roman financiers called in their loans, which must have placed an increased burden of taxation of the Iceni.[5]
While the Roman Governor of Britain, Gaius Suetonius Paulinus, was campaigning in Wales, the Iceni, led by Boudica, revolted.[6] The Iceni allied with their neighbors the Trinovantes, whose former capital, Camulodunum (Colchester), was now a colony for Roman veterans. To add insult to injury, the Romans erected a temple to the former emperor Claudius in the city, built at expense to the Trinovantes. The Iceni descended on Camulodunum and destroyed it, killing all those who could not escape.[7] Boudica and her army headed for Londinium (London), as did Suetonius and a small portion of his cavalry, but, concluding he did not have the numbers to defend it, evacuated the city. It, too, was burnt to the ground and every inhabitant who could not get away was killed.[8]
While Boudica's army engaged in an orgy of destruction, going North to wreak destruction on Verulamium (St. Albans), Suetonius marched north along the main Roman road of Britain, now known as Watling Street, and regrouped his forces. According to Tacitus, he amassed a force including his own Legio XIV Gemina, parts of the XX Valeria Victrix, and any available auxiliaries, a total of 10,000 men.[9] A third legion, II Augusta, near Exeter, inexplicably failed to join him;[10] a fourth, IX Hispana, had been routed trying to relieve Camulodunum.[11] The size of Boudica's army is estimated at almost a quarter of a million.[12]
Heavily outnumbered, Suetonius chose his battleground carefully. Traveling north along present-day Watling Street with Boudica and her army close behind, Paulinus chose a narrow gorge with a forest behind him, opening out into a wide plain. The gorge protected the Roman flanks from attack, whilst the forest would impede approach from the rear. This removed Boudica's advantage of numbers by preventing her from bringing large numbers into close combat, and the open plain in front made ambushes impossible. Suetonius placed his legionaries in close order, with lightly-armed auxiliaries on the flanks and cavalry on the wings.[11]
As their armies arranged, the commanders sought to motivate their soldiers. The Roman historian Tacitus, who wrote of the battle no more than fifty years later, recorded Boudica's speech to her followers: "Nothing is safe from Roman pride and arrogance. They will deface the sacred and will deflower our virgins. Win the battle or perish, that is what I, a woman, will do."[13]
The Britons placed their wagon train in a crescent at the large end of the field, from which point their wives and children could watch what they expected to be an overwhelming victory.[9] Two German leaders, Boiorix of the Cimbri and Ariovistus, of the Suebi, are reported to have done the same thing in their battles against Gaius Marius and Julius Caesar respectively.[14]
Tacitus also wrote of Suetonius addressing his legionaries: "Ignore the racket made by these savages. There are more women than men in their ranks. They are not soldiers - they're not even properly equipped. We've beaten them before and when they see our weapons and feel our spirit, they'll crack. Stick together. Throw the javelins, then push forward: knock them down with your shields and finish them off with your swords. Forget about booty. Just win and you'll have the lot."[15] Although Tacitus, like many historians of his day, was given to invent stirring speeches for such occasions, Suetonius's speech here is unusually blunt and practical. Tacitus's father-in-law, the future governor Gnaeus Julius Agricola, was on Suetonius's staff at the time and may have reported it fairly accurately.[16]
Boudica led her army forward across the plain and into the narrowing field in a massive frontal attack. As they advanced, they were channeled into a tightly packed mass. At approximately forty yards, their advance was staggered by a volley of Roman pila, the Roman javelin. The pilum was designed to bend when it hit a shield, making it impossible to pull out; the enemy would either be encumbered with a heavy iron spear weighing down his shield, or have to discard it and fight unprotected;[17] very few if any of the Britons would have had any armour. A second volley followed, as each Roman legionary carried two pila.[18] This tactic destroyed any organised advance by the Britons.
With the Britons in disarray, Paulinus ordered his legionaries and auxiliaries to push forward in the standard Roman wedge formation, creating a front line that took the appearance of the teeth of a handsaw. With their superior discipline, the Romans were able to continue fighting as fiercely as ever. With a clear advantage in armour, weapons and discipline, this gave them a decisive edge in the close quarters fighting against the tightly packed British. The cavalry, lances extended, then entered the fray. As British losses quickly mounted, the Britons tried to retreat, but their flight was blocked by the ring of wagons; they were massacred. The cavalry attacked from the flanks as the infantry advanced. The Romans killed not only the warriors but also the women, children and even pack animals. Tacitus says that according to one estimate, 80,000 Britons fell compared to only 400 Romans.[10]
Boudica is said by Tacitus to have poisoned herself;[10] Dio Cassius says she fell ill and died and was given a lavish burial.[19] Poenius Postumus, prefect of the 2nd legion, which had failed to join the battle, having robbed his men of a share of the glory, committed suicide by falling on his sword.[10]
The site of the battle is not given by either historian, although Tacitus gives a brief description.[10] Legend places it at Battle Bridge Road in King's Cross, London, although from reading Tacitus it is unlikely Suetonius returned to the city. Most historians favour a site in the West Midlands, probably along the Roman road of Watling Street between Londinium and Viroconium (Wroxeter in Shropshire), now the A5. Plausible suggestions include Manduessedum (Mancetter), near Atherstone in Warwickshire,[20] a site close to High Cross in Leicestershire,[21] a small dip at Cuttle Mill, two miles south-east of Lactodorum (Towcester) in Northamptonshire,[22] or a site at Kings Norton close to Metchley Camp in Birmingham.[23]
Aftermath
The emperor Nero, it is said, was so shaken by these events that he considered withdrawing from Britain altogether,[24] but with the revolt brought to a decisive end, the conquest of Britain continued. Suetonius was relieved of the governorship and replaced by the more conciliatory Publius Petronius Turpilianus.[25] This was not the end of resistance to Roman rule: Venutius of the Brigantes would lead another, less well documented but possibly more successful, revolt in 69.[26]
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I found this whilst surfing the 'net. A B-24 with a B-17G nose fitted in an effort to improve performance. I didn't realise the USAAF was into such tinkering [:)]
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Cool pick would of loved to see that thing fly.
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Cool pick would of loved to see that thing fly.
........dead in here again
It sure is [>:]
Here's another pic of the 'plane. I couldn't find any of her airborne
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The cockpit sits a little further back from the nose here than on a B-17 looks like.
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Evening tithe. [&o]
Time to make dinner for my stepson. How hard is it to heat up a hotdog? [:D]
Time to make dinner for my stepson. How hard is it to heat up a hotdog? [:D]
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I just made tuna fish sandwiches...[8D]ORIGINAL: USS America
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I just made tuna fish sandwiches...[8D]ORIGINAL: USS America
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Time to make dinner for my stepson. How hard is it to heat up a hotdog? [:D]
Haute cuisine!! [X(] [:'(]
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Nearly time for bed [>:] I'm so bored I've even made another sig banner for when I change this one[:D]
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A true analysis would have been to do the nose change only...
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