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Wow. Sounds like you are set for the rest of the game. Although once you start using Kamis they will drain fast. But I think 2000 is more then enough!

I hope to use them on Ki-115. R&D looks great so there is chance i will have Tsurugi on-line in very early `45.
Only army will fly kamikaze missions. Navy will focus on conventional tactic.
Hmm, will have to check that one up. Don´t recall the stats!
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Thats pretty good but the short range will be problematic I think!
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Thats pretty good but the short range will be problematic I think!

Range is not problem. Enemy will come to me[;)]. Plus with beta having coordinated strike above 8 hexes is almost impassible for LBA. Especially with 30XP kamikaze pilots.
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I hope to use them on Ki-115. R&D looks great so there is chance i will have Tsurugi on-line in very early `45.
Only army will fly kamikaze missions. Navy will focus on conventional tactic.
Hmm, will have to check that one up. Don´t recall the stats!
Ki-115a 342mph 1x800kg, range 5/6
Ki-115b 385mph 1x800kg, range 5/6

Build a S***load of them!! It's one of a few that can be placed in the training units you'll get as a kami. These are really good kami planes, and you're right, he will come to you. I simply did not have enough of them in my game. The 800kg bomb is the key here. Some will always get through if you launch enough.

Soon you will also get the training units to train kamis, and most of your other units will be split between training low naval and escort. You'll have double the number of pilots you do now. I had thousands still left in 7/45 when Jocke and I finished that were 70 low naval skill.
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Hmm, will have to check that one up. Don´t recall the stats!
Ki-115a 342mph 1x800kg, range 5/6
Ki-115b 385mph 1x800kg, range 5/6

Build a S***load of them!! It's one of a fe that can be placed in the training units you'll get as a kami. These are really good kami planes, and you're rift, he will come to you. I simply did not have enough of them in my game. The 800kg bomb is the key here. Some will always get through if you launch enough.

Soon you will also get the training units to train kakis, and most of your other units will be split between training low naval and escort. You'll have double the number of pilots you do now. I had thousands still left in 7/45 when Jocke and I finished that were 70 low naval skill.
I have currently 150 Ki-115a R&D factories. Depending on supply situation i plan to expand it to 200 or more. If supply situation will be ok, maybe i will also move some R&D to version "b" but right now i not planing to research it but switch to production "a" asap

I hope my kamikaze strikes will be mix of Ki-45(2x250kg), Ki-102b(2x250kg), Ki-43(2x250kg), Ki-115(1x800kg) and maybe few Ki-49(4x250kg). First 4 planes fly over 340mph. Ki-49 over 300.

Depending of pools i maybe will try Ki-84a/r Frank as kamikaze. 392/399mph and 2x250kg bombs can work well in that role.

Navy will focus on conventional strike. I will focus on 4 types of planes: D4Y4, B6N2, A7A2 and P1Y2
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25 April 1944

Another Quiet one.

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Subs detect Two Big convoys sailing south. One looks like SAG (BB, CA, DD, 9 ships) another like troop transport(xAP,...9 ships) they sailing south toward Sumatra and if they keep direction there is chance that LBAs from Sabang will have them in range tomorrow.

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Docup is killing small garrisons in dot bases. They are bomber by 4E every day. Nothing i can do.
D4Y3 from Biak attack TB TF and sunk two of them. Better that than nothing.
SAG i have in area again avoid allied subs. Today two attacks. From tomorrow 250 bombers will fly ASW in this area. In week i will have 16 Es there.
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26 April 1944

Burma
Lost 15 Ki-84r from leaky CAP. By boys try to intercept enemy sweeps south of Prome[:D]

Bay of Bengal
Look at picture. Some of those TFs look disturbing. What do You think about that. I will try and will send some surface forces to test opposition.
What experience telling You. I must say intel is accurate. Second, some TFs third day in row are looking the same.
They holding position just outside LBA range. But every day i see more and more ships.

For last two years i don`t see more that some ASW ships there. Sometimes cargo TF that docup forget mo move out off Sumatra. But this look like have some purpose.


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27 April 1944

Burma
Again leaky CAP from Prome intercept allied planes 40miles south east of base. But today no allied sweeps. 35 allied bombers and 15 fighters shot down for 10 Japanese fighters (3 pilots KIA)

TFs on Bengal Bay and south of Ceylon moving back and there just outside LBA range.
I move 60 G3M3 and G4M1 to Sabang. Maybe they will have some luck

I send CL TF to Ramree Island. They found TBs only. They sunk one and return home.
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Definitely looks like something is happening. Seems ike hedging that ay could give you some opportunities, but if the Allies want to land quickly, they can at this date in one or two days. Do you have bunch of subs in the area you could send out first?
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Definitely looks like something is happening. Seems ike hedging that ay could give you some opportunities, but if the Allies want to land quickly, they can at this date in one or two days. Do you have bunch of subs in the area you could send out first?

I have only 3 subs. They are hidden behind intel windows on map. But i would rather avid losing them. They few of last that can use FP.
I can have ~10 subs there in week. I will send them there when turn will back.

I move some heavy SAGs moved toward that area. Between Rangoon, Sabang ans Singer i have now 5xBB, 4xCA, 2xCL and 15 DDs. Not much comparing what allies can have.
I made some fast calculations. KB can be in range of Sabang in 3 days.4 if refueling will be required in Singer. It can be potential landing point. Base was newer reckoned. Until I see reckon planes over it from last 10+ days. I already move there Tank Division. Base is now 700AV behind fort 6. 50 figters is on CAP, 100 in reserve.

As this can be attempt to lurk me to that area. I moving some extra serch planes to Salomon and Marianas. Guam and Saipan have DL few turns ago.

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How are the defenses around Moulmein and points south?
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How are the defenses around Moulmein and points south?
Rangoon 1100AV fort 7
Pegu - 450AV fort 6
Moulmein- 450AV fort 6
Tavoy - 350AV fort 5
Mergui -250 AV fort 5
Victoria Point - only 80AV fort 4[:(] i need to move something there fast

Tavoy, Mergui, Victoria Point had more troops. But i was forced to move them 3 weeks ago to East Burma to block allied ground offensive.

Pegu and Moulmein can be reinforced by 700AV in one turn. I keep ID and Tanks in Rangoon in strategic mode if i need to reinforce fast Prome or Taungoo but they also can be railed south. 3 days to unpack and they can fight.

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D4Y4 Judy vs B7A2 Grace

Should i or should I not replace some/all Judy bombers on KB with Grace.
Overall Grace i good bomber. Both dive and torpedo, big range and speed. But at best average bomb load. Judy good speed, superb bomb load, range is enough for 8 hex magic strike. Maybe best solution is to leave D4Y on CV and B7A should be use as LBA only?

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D4Y4 Judy vs B7A2 Grace

Should i or should I not replace some/all Judy bombers on KB with Grace.
Overall Grace i good bomber. Both dive and torpedo, big range and speed. But at best average bomb load. Judy good speed, superb bomb load, range is enough for 8 hex magic strike. Maybe best solution is to leave D4Y on CV and B7A should be use as LBA only?


B7A2 should be your TB on the KB going forward. They're great delivering torpedoes with their speed, and they can be used in DB role if needed. I had a few groups as DB on CL/CVE because I liked their two bombs. Small, but more chance to hit, and then the DB and TB can have a better shot at a slowed ship.

The Judy is a killer though. When those 800kg bombs hit it only takes a few.
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D4Y4 Judy vs B7A2 Grace

Should i or should I not replace some/all Judy bombers on KB with Grace.
Overall Grace i good bomber. Both dive and torpedo, big range and speed. But at best average bomb load. Judy good speed, superb bomb load, range is enough for 8 hex magic strike. Maybe best solution is to leave D4Y on CV and B7A should be use as LBA only?


B7A2 should be your TB on the KB going forward. They're great delivering torpedoes with their speed, and they can be used in DB role if needed. I had a few groups as DB on CL/CVE because I liked their two bombs. Small, but more chance to hit, and then the DB and TB can have a better shot at a slowed ship.

The Judy is a killer though. When those 800kg bombs hit it only takes a few.
Biggest problem with Grace is that only DB units can upgrade to it so I need to find some LBA DB units and move them to KB. I don`t found single TB unit that can upgrade to Grace.

I will produce 100+ Grace bombers monthly so at lest month before i will upgrade first units.
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D4Y4 Judy vs B7A2 Grace

Should i or should I not replace some/all Judy bombers on KB with Grace.
Overall Grace i good bomber. Both dive and torpedo, big range and speed. But at best average bomb load. Judy good speed, superb bomb load, range is enough for 8 hex magic strike. Maybe best solution is to leave D4Y on CV and B7A should be use as LBA only?


B7A2 should be your TB on the KB going forward. They're great delivering torpedoes with their speed, and they can be used in DB role if needed. I had a few groups as DB on CL/CVE because I liked their two bombs. Small, but more chance to hit, and then the DB and TB can have a better shot at a slowed ship.

The Judy is a killer though. When those 800kg bombs hit it only takes a few.
Biggest problem with Grace is that only DB units can upgrade to it so I need to find some LBA DB units and move them to KB. I don`t found single TB unit that can upgrade to Grace.

I will produce 100+ Grace bombers monthly so at lest month before i will upgrade first units.

Huh. Maybe I'm remembering incorrectly. I know I had Grace as TB somehow, though. Strange hw only a few months and a new game clouds the memory!

Here is a set of posts from the Jocke game which showed the Grace as TB coming from the KB, as there was no LBA involved in this one. They definitely dropped TT as seen in the reports.

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=3541210
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=3541273

Also, I just looked into my scen 1 game and it does seem the TB units upgrade to the Grace.


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Thanks. I will check it again. I was checking it few month ago so i am probably wrong with it. I also think it will cost some PP to upgrade. It is still plane class change.
And probably not all TB groups will upgrade.

When i back home from work, i will post all groups that can upgrade to Grace.


If KB TB groups can upgrade to Grace. Imagine how deadly KB can be. Mix of A7M2 Sam, D4Y4 Judy and B7A2 Grace. Slowest plane is 350mph. AFB nightmare
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The Grace was designed to carry TT and be a replacement for the Jill and Judy, so there are no PP needed to change. However it couldn't fit on pre-Taiho CVs due to elevator size. So really it shouldn't be able to be used on all, but as we know, in game for both side this is a bit flexible.
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EDIT: Nevermind, sorry for the confusion. I tested again and Grace did indeed DB... Strange because I have one combat report where it did just level bomb...

Still, I assume it's not the best choice for DB squadrons as the D4Y4 Judy can carry a 800kg bomb and a 500kg one at extended range vs the 2x250kg bomb of the Grace. Still, Grace would definately be my choice for TB squadrons.
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B7A2 Grace is Dive Bomber with ability of caring torpedo.
At lest Tracker showing it as Dive Bomber. Also in unit screen You should see it as dive bomber. I am 99.9% sure that Grece will dive if set 10-15k. Pilots should drop bombs at 1000-3000k ft. Maybe something is different in Downfall scenario
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