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Movie not bad.

My "bizarre" move did not come about, but some good things happened. AAR tomorrow.

After rain comes sunshine! [;)]

In our case we've gone from 98 degrees F. a week ago to this morning 49 F. And we could use some rain!
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OK, the move was weird. I have two map screens. This one shows the IO at the start of the next turn (July 17.) The range rings are torpedo Beauforts at Port Blair. Just sent there from Colombo yesterday, they were important today. The red icon is IJN Air TF of at least two CVs, plus Yamato, plus other stuff. Results in the write-up below.

Also at Tavoy the reinforcement TF is unloading, with another small supply-only running in. The Chinese continue to move closer to Moulmein to the north.





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July 16, 1942

Ships Passing In The Night; Hornet Lost; IJN Roughed Up; Truk Gets Wake-Up Call

Wild turn.

1) First, the Marshalls. This is the situation at the start of the July 17 turn (tomorrow.)


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The red icon SE of Wake is indeed the KB, still going NE hunting cripples. And it got some today. BUT, SE of Eniwetok we see a green Air icon. Whaaaaat?

Here's the looney tunes move I tried here.

I knew the Hornet was done for. Three fleet carriers lost in three days. Roi-Namur not feasible right now. A whole new Pacific war. Also, the last two days had indicated that Mike was supremely confident in the power of at least four carriers with 8 hex Kates, and that he had seen the worst the USN had in the area. He wasn't acting like he was worried about Eniwetok's air power, or Wake's. Nor was he acting like he was worried about the single sighting of another carrier to the east two days ago. Maybe he hadn't really noticed the interaction. And I knew he didn't know those TWO carriers (Lex/Sara) each had an extra fighter squadron on board.

He had also lost some planes. Flak attacking BBs and CAs, etc. I went back in the archive and counted every plane and every attack for four days. As near as I could tell he'd lost for sure 7 Zeros, 6 Vals, and 15 Kates. Adding combat report FOW those numbers should be about 75% true, on the low side. Counting damage and thus ops losses he might be down another 30% on each model. But I was mainly worried about Zeros. On his side, he had 46 Zeros at Kwaj. He might have swapped units if those were IJN Zeros. I didn't know. They had also been used pretty hard over the period. Bottom line the TF was attrited, but not hugely so. I figured a CAP in the 35 Zero range.

Next I thought about how I would feel if I lost two more carriers, for a total of five. Well, bad. But not as bad if they could take 1-2 with them. I get CVEs soon. And I'm not as carrier-centric as some players. I could continue to develop the Rabaul region without them. Also NorPac unless he sent his own up there. Rangoon is not a carrier war. And so forth. SNAGGLEPUSS is about over. I decided I was willing to risk the last two Pacific carriers on the dice. But it would need to be an all-in move he would not be expecting.

I flushed everything out of Eniwetok to the north to draw attention. I spun the Americal and sent them back to Pearl. I sent Burke's DDs out near Ponape due East on full sprint. Most importnalty, I stripped ALL escorts off Lex and Sara (CA Quincy, a CL, and five DDs) and sent them back to Pearl at Full. I left the two carriers naked. I then set CAP to zero. Every single plane set to naval attack at Range 6. I put the TF on Full and sent it right down the vector I thought the KB was coming up. My hope was 100% of the Wildcats could burn through 4 CVs of attrited CAP and get some bombs on some decks, start some fires, take a few carriers out of the war for six months at worst, sink a couple at best. The air wings might recover to Wake or Eniwetok, but the carriers would be lost.

Instead, what you see above. The two passed in the night. No attacks. I'm not sure he even knows they're there. [:)]

2) So. What DID happen? Well, a bunch more attrition on the KB's planes. And other stuff.

--Great attack on a hated CA. Also news of a bunch of BBs moving in to smear various landing forces I assume.

Sub attack near Truk at 111,108

Japanese Ships
CA Ashigara, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
BB Yamashiro
BB Fuso
BB Nagato
CA Kinugasa
CA Aoba
CS Nisshin
DD Satsuki
DD Yayoi
DD Yuzuki
DD Kikuzuki

Allied Ships
SS Grayback

--More barges sunk near Kwaj by USN subs.

--Zero sweep of Wake doesn't go well. Not sure until today Japan realized how much time and peace Wake has had since last December. A secong sweep has no combat, but the KB still eats 14 additional sorties.

Morning Air attack on Wake Island , at 136,98

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 44 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 14

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 1
F4F-3A Wildcat x 1
F4F-3 Wildcat x 4
F4F-4 Wildcat x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat: 1 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 16000 feet

--Sweep at Eniwetok goes better for Japan

Morning Air attack on Eniwetok , at 127,108

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 27 NM, estimated altitude 35,810 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 8

Allied aircraft
P-36A Mohawk x 11

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
P-36A Mohawk: 5 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 32810 feet

--Land-based SBDs hit the KB

Morning Air attack on TF, near Taongi at 139,104

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 35 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 28

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 23
F2A-3 Buffalo x 18
SBD-2 Dauntless x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 3 destroyed
F2A-3 Buffalo: 2 destroyed
SBD-2 Dauntless: 3 damaged

Japanese Ships
CV Soryu, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x SBD-2 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb

--Damaging KB attack. But even more of the KB air wings are lost or damaged.

Morning Air attack on TF, near Wake Island at 136,98

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 29 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 34
B5N2 Kate x 20
D3A1 Val x 49

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 1
F4F-3 Wildcat x 1
F4F-4 Wildcat x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 1 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 1 destroyed by flak
D3A1 Val: 16 damaged


No Allied losses

Allied Ships
CVE Long Island, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
CLAA Atlanta
BB California, Bomb hits 1
CA Astoria
DD Lawrence
DD Monssen, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
BB Nevada
BB Tennessee
APD Gregory
AP Hunter Liggett, Bomb hits 3, on fire

--Hornet and escort finished off. Flooding had reached epic levels; she would not have survived the night. Still more torpedoes expended from KB inventory.

Morning Air attack on TF, near Taongi at 134,103

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 53 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 8
B5N2 Kate x 9

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3A Wildcat: 1 destroyed
SBD-2 Dauntless: 1 destroyed
F4F-3 Wildcat: 2 destroyed
SBD-3 Dauntless: 16 destroyed

Allied Ships
CV Hornet, and is sunk
DE Kennison, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo

--Stranded US forces on Roi-Namur, some disruption recovered, attack to do what they can before being captured or killed.

Ground combat at Roi-Namur (132,114)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 3590 troops, 12 guns, 64 vehicles, Assault Value = 61

Defending force 3295 troops, 18 guns, 3 vehicles, Assault Value = 78

Allied adjusted assault: 10

Japanese adjusted defense: 43

Allied assault odds: 1 to 4 (fort level 3)

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
172 casualties reported
Squads: 7 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Allied ground losses:
640 casualties reported
Squads: 38 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 39 destroyed, 8 disabled

--Small attack by SST-landed raiders.

Ground combat at Majuro (136,119)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 77 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 11

Defending force 696 troops, 9 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 11

Allied adjusted assault: 0

Japanese adjusted defense: 17

Allied assault odds: 1 to 99 (fort level 1)

Combat modifiers
Defender: leaders(+), experience(-)
Attacker: op mode(-), shock(+), leaders(-), supply(-)

Japanese ground losses:
14 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
39 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
3rd Marine Raider Bn /2

Defending units:
Majuro Base Force

3) Related to the Marshalls, but coming from a now-open Rabaul AF. B-17s call in daylight, hitting the port and more. I hope this forces a reaction on Rabaul. I attacked the port, hoping for a lot of ships to be in, and figuring attacking the AF first would alert the Japanese to Rabaul's status. Follow-on attacks won't be so easy, but for now Truk is not a safe haven or fuel stop.

Morning Air attack on Truk , at 112,108

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 37 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 24

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed, 17 damaged

Japanese Ships
DD Tawakaze, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
SS I-168, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage


4) The IO. A bad day for Japan.

The CVs that had attacked Calcutta were lost to search yesterday as the Tavoy landing made it in there. The Wasp TF and HMS Indomitable TF pulled back west to just SW of Port Blair. Beauforts moved over from Colombo and armed with torpedoes. B-26s there also set on naval.

The IJN carriers came down the west side of Port Blair, but were found by excellent search from Colombo and Blair. A series of running battles hurt both sides, but Japan much more I think.

--Morning Air attack on TF, near Car Nicobar at 40,61

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 25 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 15

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 9
SBD-3 Dauntless x 28
TBF-1 Avenger x 15

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
SBD-3 Dauntless: 1 destroyed, 9 damaged
SBD-3 Dauntless: 1 destroyed by flak
TBF-1 Avenger: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Kirishima, Bomb hits 1
CV Hiyo, Bomb hits 1, on fire
BB Yamato, Torpedo hits 1
CV Junyo, Bomb hits 2, on fire
CA Maya
CA Chokai
CL Kashima

--Morning Air attack on TF, near Car Nicobar at 44,61

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 24
B5N2 Kate x 11
D3A1 Val x 13

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 23

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 6 destroyed
B5N2 Kate: 3 destroyed, 4 damaged
D3A1 Val: 1 destroyed, 11 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 2 destroyed

Allied Ships
CLAA San Juan
CV Wasp, Bomb hits 3, on fire
BB North Carolina, Bomb hits 3

(Tracker from tomorrow's turn shows Wasp is 17 system, 7(1) flooding, 5 total engine with no major. North Carolina is 3 System, 0 flooding, 4 Engine! I love having super-BBs!)

--This one misses completely

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Car Nicobar at 43,61

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 8
D3A1 Val x 12

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed
D3A1 Val: 5 damaged
D3A1 Val: 1 destroyed by flak

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
BB North Carolina
CV Wasp

--This one doesn't

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Car Nicobar at 40,61

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 4

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 7
SBD-3 Dauntless x 22
TBF-1 Avenger x 14

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 destroyed
SBD-3 Dauntless: 4 damaged
TBF-1 Avenger: 1 damaged
TBF-1 Avenger: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese Ships
CA Atago
CV Hiyo, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CV Junyo, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
BB Kirishima, Bomb hits 2, on fire
CL Kashima, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Inazuma

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
8 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
12 x TBF-1 Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 22in Mk 13 Torpedo
2 x TBF-1 Avenger bombing from 15000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
4 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
4 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb

CAP engaged:
Hiyo-1 with A6M2 Zero (1 airborne, 2 on standby, 1 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 15000 and 19000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 29 minutes

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CV Hiyo
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CV Junyo
Ammo storage explosion on CV Junyo[

--The FAA goes in with no fighter support

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Car Nicobar at 40,61

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 2

Allied aircraft
Swordfish I x 8

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Swordfish I: 3 destroyed, 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Yamato

--The Beauforts do their thing on Yamato

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Car Nicobar at 40,61

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 41 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 2

Allied aircraft
Beaufort I x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Beaufort I: 1 damaged
Beaufort I: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese Ships
BB Yamato, Torpedo hits 1
BB Kirishima, on fire

--The B-26s from Port Blair do not hit. One is lost.

--The screen shot shows the carriers have headed west again. Wasp will pursue.

5) Heavy bombing at PBang and Rangoon. PBang has fixed its runways and AF damage is down to 98% tomorrow. Japan loses 73 planes otday. The Allies lose 98, but many are from Hornet.

No Night Bombing Today

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You are playing the wrong side!

Not quite sure that you will be able to get them out of there easily, unless you can disband them at Eniwetok?

But a good turn for you overall
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You are playing the wrong side!

Not quite sure that you will be able to get them out of there easily, unless you can disband them at Eniwetok?

But a good turn for you overall

Disband, hell! We attack again! [:)]

He's weaker than he was yesterday air wing-wise, and I'm the same. Not even any additional fatigue. Nothing sea-based is on search.
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Did you mean that you pulled all the DDs away from the carriers? Even a chance sub encounter...
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Did you mean that you pulled all the DDs away from the carriers? Even a chance sub encounter...

Yep. All.

I've had a couple of dozen TFs plow through these waters in the past week and no subs. I figure a 2-ship TF this crazy must look like what in FOW? Just sent the turn back and I compromised. One squadron of CAP, everything else on attack. Heading to get under Wake's P-40E LRCAP. A lot of TFs in the zone to complicate targeting, including a BB-heavy surface group heading down to straddle the KB's course.

If there's no contact this turn I'll need to head the carriers home for fuel. Wake and Eniwetok have some, but not carrier amounts.
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Haha, Thats indeed seriously crazy! [:D] Good luck with the next turn. If you pull it off...wow!
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This will be exciting at least!
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"Doing a Bullwinkle" could go down in WITP:AE folklore

Of course, that could be either a "good" or a "bad" thing.....
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ORIGINAL: Encircled

"Doing a Bullwinkle" could go down in WITP:AE folklore

Of course, that could be either a "good" or a "bad" thing.....

That's why I have two antlers. Hang it either right or left. [:)]
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Just ran the movie. No "Bullwinkle" to be seen. But a bad day for Yamato. Those FAA biplanes from a different era . . . Nasty.

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Then is Yamato the Bismarck of the Indian Ocean?
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I <3 me some stringbags.

They do appear to be effective in game, just as in real life. More so than the TBDs thats for sure.

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July 17, 1942

Pick Your Image; Big Day in the IO

If you're of a classic bent you might imagine the two USN "naked" carriers in the Marshalls as the Charge of the Light Brigade. If you're like me, picture Curly Joe from The Three Stooges: slapping the face, prancing on twinkle toes, "Whup, whup whup!!!" The two ride loaded for bear back to the NE and once again . . . nothing. The KB goes its own way, creams a bunch of needed APDs heading in to Roi-Namaur to try to lift off the Seabees, but either does not see the carriers or thinks the APDs are more tasty.

So, for at least another day, no new "Pull a Bullwinkle" legend is born.

1) The IO is where most of the action is today.

--night phase, and the Wasp TF, running west to where I last saw a retreating, damaged Junyo TF, runs into this. The IJN does slightly better, but only because North Carolina only gets off one shot as the two disengage.

Night Time Surface Combat, near Car Nicobar at 42,61, Range 11,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
BB Kirishima, Shell hits 1
CA Atago, Shell hits 2
CA Maya
CA Chokai, Shell hits 1
DD Inazuma
DD Isonami

Allied Ships
CV Wasp
BB North Carolina
CLAA San Juan
CL Detroit, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Lang
DD Stack
DD Sterett, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Wilson, Shell hits 1

--during the day much of the air power focused on Rangoon shifts to naval attacks on the TF unloading at Tavoy. All of the men and gear is ashore except a little motorized support and about 1500 supply. The Indian unit there now has a bit of support, and bit of engineering, and some mortars to supplement the 60 squads of shooters. It won't hold, but it's a plug for now on some of the supply Rangoon desperately needs.

--Morning Air attack on TF, near Tavoy at 54,60

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 27
G3M3 Nell x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M3 Nell: 4 damaged

Allied Ships
xAP Rohna, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
KV Thyme
xAP Malda

--Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Tavoy at 54,60

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 13 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 15
G3M3 Nell x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M3 Nell: 6 damaged

Allied Ships
xAP Rohna, on fire, heavy damage
xAP Indora, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
xAP Malda, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
KV Thyme, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAP Rajula

--Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Tavoy at 54,60

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 14 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 3 damaged

Allied Ships
xAP Rohna, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAP Malda, on fire, heavy damage
xAP Rajula, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

This TF being crushed costs ships and VPs, but it also keeps the torpedo Netties off the Wasp and NC. Worth it? I think so.

2) IO continued. The big boys beef.

--As above Wasp and Co. go west with HMS Indomitable one hex behind, following. This is one of those AE stories. She is scheduled to withdraw in three days. She also left Colombo with light damage, and only 12 TBs aboard. No fighters. Her air wing is scattered all over the theater right now. I'll take stiff PP hits not withdrawing on time. Yet I still wanted her. As torpedo bait I'll admit, but she's with Oklahoma and some valuable escorts too. I just had a feeling I wanted those dozen old biplane crates.

No sign of Junyo; maybe she sank. Can't break plane losses out from the carnage in the Marshalls, plus Hiyo might have landed some and overloaded. Any Kates probably could make Sabang as well. But in a series of wheeling fights the two carriers dish out some revenge for the USN loses in Mid-Pac.

--Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Great Nicobar at 38,65

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 46 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 18 minutes

Allied aircraft
Swordfish I x 7
F4F-4 Wildcat x 8
SBD-3 Dauntless x 13

Allied aircraft losses
Swordfish I: 1 damaged
SBD-3 Dauntless: 4 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Yamato, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
CV Hiyo, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage


Aircraft Attacking:
10 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
7 x Swordfish I launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Mk XII Torpedo
3 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CV Hiyo

--Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Great Nicobar at 38,65

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 37 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-26B Marauder x 4

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
BB Yamato, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

--Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Great Nicobar at 40,66

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Allied aircraft
SBD-3 Dauntless x 9
TBF-1 Avenger x 11

Allied aircraft losses
SBD-3 Dauntless: 1 destroyed by flak
TBF-1 Avenger: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
CA Atago
BB Kirishima
CA Maya

That's four fish in Yamato in two days. I somehow still don't think that's enough. But Hiyo should be a goner. Will see what tomorrow shows location-wise. One hit on Yamato showed as loss of a main turret. If she survives that's months in the HI after a run past lots of subs in the Malacca, or a pass by more subs at Oosthaven.

3) Just to document what happened in the Marshalls. I bugged more ships out to the north, to shape courses for Pearly once in open water. The APDs got creamed as I said. The big surface TF full of old BBs did not fight. More strikes on Wake; I think he's feeling out how an air campaign there might let him have this base at this point. It has two USMC defense units, plus a couple of other units (overstacked), and is almost to Forts 6.

--Afternoon Air attack on Wake Island , at 136,98

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 36 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 21

Allied aircraft
F4F-3A Wildcat x 1
F4F-3 Wildcat x 2
F4F-4 Wildcat x 2

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat: 1 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 destroyed

--Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Taongi at 134,106

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 43
B5N2 Kate x 31
D3A1 Val x 45

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 1 damaged
D3A1 Val: 5 damaged

Allied Ships
APD Gregory, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
APD Little, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
APD Schley, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
APD Humphreys
APD Crane, Bomb hits 4, and is sunk
APD Waters, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk

Tomorrow I will continue the general withdrawal of non-essential ships from the Marshalls. I'd like to get at least some of the men off Roi-Namur, but they might be POWs. Will see if I have a locate on the KB. The two carriers will try to get north and pick up some escorts. My replenishment TF is gone, so the carriers need to be economical to get home. Then it'll be "we'll see" as to his moves on Eniwetok and Wake. I don't think spending a lot of fuel and men is worth it for him to try to stabilize the islands more than they are--with him holding all originals except Eniwetok--but he may beat on Eniwetok for awhile. If so, so be it. He should be focusing on Java and PBang; I think he's focused on Marshalls and Rangoon. Only one of those can really harm his position.

4) One reason I think Eniwetok isn't his biggest problem is Rabaul v. Truk. Many of my Forts were damaged yesterday in the intro attack, but I saw four CVLs in port refueling today, so I flew what would go. It's extreme range and there won't be daily raids, but when I can. The B-17s run into Zeros this time, some on Training, but still plant a couple of really good hits on Truk.

--Morning Air attack on Truk , at 112,108

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 24

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 11

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged

Japanese Ships
CA Ashigara, Bomb hits 1
AD Koshu Maru #2, Bomb hits 1, on fire

5) Elsewhere the Soerbaja air force hits Kendari and other bases on the Celebes and Timor for light air field damage and a couple of Oscars on the ground. Strat attacks on oil do not score.

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If Yamato makes it back to the HI you might take the repair yard she's heading to before she gets out of it. [:D]
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If Yamato makes it back to the HI you might take the repair yard she's heading to before she gets out of it. [:D]

Based on my experience with Warspite you're probably right. [:)]

The thing that kills me is the USN TBs had two duds on her. The RNs torpedoes work. Two more and she'd be sunk.
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Just watched the movie. Yamato didn't make it. As bad as losing a carrier I think.
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"Unsinkable" means something different in Japanese!
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Just watched the movie. Yamato didn't make it. As bad as losing a carrier I think.

Not nearly.

Yamato can provide a few good moments over the course of the entire war, but is simply too much of a fuel guzzling behemoth to do make a real difference. It's hard to replenish and I've found it doesn't use it's secondary armament much if at all. Once damaged it takes forever to repair.

So yes, it has good late war AA, but it's really almost a one shot deal. I'd take even a poor CV like Junyo over Yamato.
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