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[center]Strategic Map

as of September 30, 1943
[/center]


The end of September, 1943 finds the Allies camped in El Lobo's backyard. The reception of Tokyo Rose's transmissions is quite clear now. Her sweet voice resembles a lullaby which eases us into sleep each night.

Best Regards,

-Terry


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[center]October 1, 1943[/center]


Highlight for Today


The Allies capture Kagi, Formosa and destroy twenty-eight (28) Japanese aircraft at the base.


Synopsis of Combat Action for Today


1.) Japanese bombed the 94th Chinese Corps near Chungking (hex 77,46).


1 damaged (Ki-21-IIb Sally)
1 damaged (Ki-49-IIb Helen)


65 Chinese casualties.


2.) Japanese bombed Chungking with typical results.


3.) Japanese bombed 84th Chinese Corps near Shaoyang (hex 79,52).


No Japanese losses.

100 Chinese casualties.


4.) Allies deliberately attacked Kagi, Formosa.


11 destroyed (Ki-45 KAIa Nick).
17 destroyed (N1K1-J George).
706 Japanese casualties.
Japanese retreat toward Taichu.


101 Allied casualties.


Attached below as a link is the entire Combat Report for October 1, 1943.

Best Regards,

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[center]October 2, 1943[/center]


Highlights for Today


1.) Captain Haggard's ASW Force beats-up an El Lobo Submarine near Saipan.

2.) Chinese capture Shaoyang.


Synopsis of Combat Action for Today


1.) ASW attack near Saipan (hex 112,95):


SS RO-66: 13 hits; heavy damage.

No Allied losses.


2.) Japanese bomb 44th Chinese Corps near Chungking (hex 77,46):


1 damaged (Ki-21-IIb Sally).
1 damaged (Ki-49-IIb Helen).


120 Chinese casualties.

3.) Japanese bomb 92nd Chinese Corps at Shaoyang:


No Japanese casualties.

52 Chinese casualties.


4.) Japanese bombard Chungking:


4 Japanese casualties.

225 Chinese casualties.


5.) Chinese deliberately attack Shaoyang:


744 Japanese casualties.
I Japanese unit retreats.
Chinese capture Shaoyang.


48 Chinese casualties.


Attached below as a link is the entire Combat Report for October 2, 1943.

Best Regards,

-Terry





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HAGGARD GROUP
SPECIAL COMMUNIQUE
Tsinkiang, China

September 28

THE DAY Marine Captain Stu Heffel saunters in, the lump of soggy bandages weighs on my forehead as heavy as cocktail prawns on a bed of ice.
“Lieutenant,” he states cordially, “—feeling better?”
I imagine the good company he keeps in regretting that a crafty Jap sniper was not responsible for my wound. After all, he is General Vandegrift’s adjutant—men who do not stumble. Sliding to the foot of my cot, Heffel gazes philosophically across the balcony to the harbor, where confiscated lighters unload the last of the tankers—
“Colonel Puller is taking the twenty-second to knock next door—” he catches my quizzical expression, “—Tsinkiang, twenty miles up the coast.”
He pauses, seeming to listen for the sniper-fire from Amoy across the sound. But that stopped yesterday. “You’re here, apparently, to tell our tale,” he says, scrutinizing the hilly horizon beyond Amoy, and in an instant his cordiality evaporates: “Or we can put you on a tin can out of here—”


September 29

“BLOOMQUIST-ROSE,” Colonel Puller reads my orders, “Lieutenant... USNR... what’s the ‘R’ stand for, sailor?”
Colonel Puller is the only man I’ve ever met who makes a crestfallen expression a warning. He steps up to breathe on my bandage: “R—Resolve. Let’s just agree that ‘R’ stands for ‘resolve’.”
A few chuckles. He and his smirking Marine entourage stride away toward the maze of tents. “If you haven’t chowed, chow, Lieutenant. We leave when the trucks arrive...” They disappear into the tent-maze, but Colonel Puller’s gravel-in-a-drum voice booms forth in a pretense of primitive confidentiality: “Bloomquist-Rose, reservist—Jesus! If it were up to me I’d have that navy prig in the brig until he changes his name—and not a month longer!”
Every Marine has a good laugh—
“Bloomquist-Rose?” roars Puller, “It’s enough to shake my resolve!”
A happy army on the shore of a hostile continent.


RUGGED RAVINES clutch the coast tight north of Amoy but nearing Tsinkiang those mountains release their grip, and a broad stream-laden plain extends out to sea. Even with the recent rains, these squads of Marines fan out along the road in raised dust, a regiment silent except creaking leather, staining canvas and herds of rapid boot-falls.
By the time I slip away from the modest wagon-train of three communication trucks, the sun dips below the ridgeline and the village on the low bank behind us exudes spicy cooking aromas. “They’re throwing caution to the wind and smoking the last of their chickens,” my famished mind cries, “And who can blame them?” I stand before the stick concoction bridging the stream there: it looks like its repair chit for structural upkeep was submitted sometime during the Han Dynasty, so I restrain myself from moseying over to make new friends...


SOMEONE WITH a flashlight beam glancing a wristwatch tells me it’s twenty-three thirty-seven; rifle fire is intensifying straight up ahead. It is hard to believe the outskirts of a large city lies less than three miles distant; here it’s just village after village in low-lying marsh.
The first casualties are brought in to the hospital tent—three engineers who blew up a Jap stronghold on the far side of a bridge, a mile up ahead. Corporal Hurley, a young engineer with a bloody shoulder wound, pulls on his Viceroy and tells me what he’s most proud about the escapade is that the charge launched the stronghold into the sky but left the bridge completely undamaged. No small feat: Hurley is not referring to the Brooklyn Bridge here—in this flood plain, even the strongest bridge along the main route—manufactured under British supervision—appear as though they might collapse with a few well-placed grenades, much less Hurley’s satchel charges.

EARLY A.M., September 30: Colonel Puller comes charging through the night, looking for the radio crew responsible for squads on his left flank losing communication. Two seconds after the problem is fixed he disappears forward into the darkness, and I am gripped with a vile thought. Not since USC was robbed of victory by our hometown referees have I experienced anything like this—
For an awful moment I feel sorry for the Japs. I can’t help it. I stand a few yards away from the radiomen, listening to communications crackling back and forth, over which I hear the voices of distant men who are crawling forward in pitch-black, over terrain they have little idea of, and against an implacable enemy—an enemy who has no chance against them.

Nothing will stop these Marines. Nothing.


Submitted,

F.W. Bloomquist-Rose, Lieutenant, USNR
Special correspondent, SPECOP Haggard Group

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[center]Marines in China

Operation Culpepper Cattle Company

Objectives & Garrisons

As of October 3, 1943
[/center]


Opening Note


The first goal of the Marines is to open a corridor of supply from Amoy to Shaoyang (and North thereof )for the Chinese.

The following sets forth Marines in China with their accompanying elements, their objectives, and anticipated garrisons.


1st MARINE DIVISION

Hengyang

Pacific Ocean Areas, HQ
147 USA BF
177 Const Rgt
USMC AirFMFPac, HQ
1 USMC Air Wing BF
1 USMC EAB
1 Marine Div
18 Combat Engr Rgt
1 USMC Tank Bn
640 TD Bn
1 Marine Def Bn
1 USMC FA Bn

Kweilin

1 USMC Parachute Bn

Pingsing

1 Marine Raider Bn
14 Marine Def Bn

2nd MARINE DIVISION

Hex 82,55

2 Marine Raider Bn

Kukong

I US Corps, HQ
178 USAAF BF
45 USN SeaBees
2 USMC Air Wing BF
2 USMC EAB
2 Marine Div
2 USMC Tank Bn
2 USMC FA Bn

Hex 80,58

2 USMC Parachute Bn

3rd MARINE DIVISION

Kanhsien

I US Amphib, HQ
177 USAAF BF
Seventh US Fleet, HQ
44 USN SeaBees
38 Aviation BF
3 Marine Div
3 USMC Tank Bn
3 Marine Def Bn
7 USMC FA Bn

Hex 81,58

3 Marine Raider Bn

Hex 86,60

3 USMC Parachute Bn

4th MARINE DIVISION

Chaochow

1 USMC Corps Tank Bn

Swatow

4 Marine Raider Bn
8 Marine Def Bn

Amoy

V US Amphib Force, HQ
148 USA BF
Fifth US Fleet, HQ
2 USN Naval Const Rgt
43 USN SeaBees
C Det USN Port Svc
E Det USN Port Svc
39 Aviation BF
4 Marine Div
4 Marine Def Bn
5 Marine Def Bn
6 Marine Def Bn
7 Marine Def Bn

Tsinkiang

222 USN BF
46 USN SeaBees
2 Engr Amphib Bn
4 USMC Tank Bn
12 Marine Def Bn

22nd MARINE REGIMENT, 6th MARINE DIVISION

Foochow

22nd Marine Rgt
9 Marine Def Bn

Attached below is a map of China as of October 23, 1943.

Best Regards,

-Terry


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ORIGINAL: CaptHaggard

HAGGARD GROUP
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Tsinkiang, China

September 28

THE DAY Marine Captain Stu Heffel saunters in, the lump of soggy bandages weighs on my forehead as heavy as cocktail prawns on a bed of ice.
“Lieutenant,” he states cordially, “—feeling better?”
I imagine the good company he keeps in regretting that a crafty Jap sniper was not responsible for my wound. After all, he is General Vandegrift’s adjutant—men who do not stumble. Sliding to the foot of my cot, Heffel gazes philosophically across the balcony to the harbor, where confiscated lighters unload the last of the tankers—
“Colonel Puller is taking the twenty-second to knock next door—” he catches my quizzical expression, “—Tsinkiang, twenty miles up the coast.”
He pauses, seeming to listen for the sniper-fire from Amoy across the sound. But that stopped yesterday. “You’re here, apparently, to tell our tale,” he says, scrutinizing the hilly horizon beyond Amoy, and in an instant his cordiality evaporates: “Or we can put you on a tin can out of here—”


September 29

“BLOOMQUIST-ROSE,” Colonel Puller reads my orders, “Lieutenant... USNR... what’s the ‘R’ stand for, sailor?”
Colonel Puller is the only man I’ve ever met who makes a crestfallen expression a warning. He steps up to breathe on my bandage: “R—Resolve. Let’s just agree that ‘R’ stands for ‘resolve’.”
A few chuckles. He and his smirking Marine entourage stride away toward the maze of tents. “If you haven’t chowed, chow, Lieutenant. We leave when the trucks arrive...” They disappear into the tent-maze, but Colonel Puller’s gravel-in-a-drum voice booms forth in a pretense of primitive confidentiality: “Bloomquist-Rose, reservist—Jesus! If it were up to me I’d have that navy prig in the brig until he changes his name—and not a month longer!”
Every Marine has a good laugh—
“Bloomquist-Rose?” roars Puller, “It’s enough to shake my resolve!”
A happy army on the shore of a hostile continent.


RUGGED RAVINES clutch the coast tight north of Amoy but nearing Tsinkiang those mountains release their grip, and a broad stream-laden plain extends out to sea. Even with the recent rains, these squads of Marines fan out along the road in raised dust, a regiment silent except creaking leather, staining canvas and herds of rapid boot-falls.
By the time I slip away from the modest wagon-train of three communication trucks, the sun dips below the ridgeline and the village on the low bank behind us exudes spicy cooking aromas. “They’re throwing caution to the wind and smoking the last of their chickens,” my famished mind cries, “And who can blame them?” I stand before the stick concoction bridging the stream there: it looks like its repair chit for structural upkeep was submitted sometime during the Han Dynasty, so I restrain myself from moseying over to make new friends...


SOMEONE WITH a flashlight beam glancing a wristwatch tells me it’s twenty-three thirty-seven; rifle fire is intensifying straight up ahead. It is hard to believe the outskirts of a large city lies less than three miles distant; here it’s just village after village in low-lying marsh.
The first casualties are brought in to the hospital tent—three engineers who blew up a Jap stronghold on the far side of a bridge, a mile up ahead. Corporal Hurley, a young engineer with a bloody shoulder wound, pulls on his Viceroy and tells me what he’s most proud about the escapade is that the charge launched the stronghold into the sky but left the bridge completely undamaged. No small feat: Hurley is not referring to the Brooklyn Bridge here—in this flood plain, even the strongest bridge along the main route—manufactured under British supervision—appear as though they might collapse with a few well-placed grenades, much less Hurley’s satchel charges.

EARLY A.M., September 30: Colonel Puller comes charging through the night, looking for the radio crew responsible for squads on his left flank losing communication. Two seconds after the problem is fixed he disappears forward into the darkness, and I am gripped with a vile thought. Not since USC was robbed of victory by our hometown referees have I experienced anything like this—
For an awful moment I feel sorry for the Japs. I can’t help it. I stand a few yards away from the radiomen, listening to communications crackling back and forth, over which I hear the voices of distant men who are crawling forward in pitch-black, over terrain they have little idea of, and against an implacable enemy—an enemy who has no chance against them.

Nothing will stop these Marines. Nothing.


Submitted,

F.W. Bloomquist-Rose, Lieutenant, USNR
Special correspondent, SPECOP Haggard Group


F. W.-

It appears that you have a rough march ahead of you with Col. Puller.

*laughing hard*

I appreciate how you describe the terrain the Marines fight upon in China; interesting visuals come to mind.

Your pal,

-Terry



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[center]After Action Report

October 3, 1943
[/center]



Highlights for Today


1.) Captain Haggard's submarines (SS Sturgeon and Peto) rat-pack a Japanese xAK near Batan Island.

2.) Though a few days later than anticipated, the Operations Bottle, Cork, and John B. Hood Invasion Fleet pulled anchor off the coast of Formosa and is moving at 12 knots in a direct route toward Guam.

3.) Four squadrons of B-24D1 Liberator bombers flew from Lashio to Amoy. As the airbases build on Formosa and in China, approximately two hundred (200) more heavy bombers will fly from Burma to China and then some onto Formosa.


Synopsis of Combat Action for Today


1.) Allied submarines strike near Batan Island (hex 90,73).


xAK Tuyama Maru: 2 torpedo hits; heavy damage (reported sunk).

No Allied losses.


2.) Chungking has changed its name to "City of Ashes:"


3.) The Allies accidently and prematurely shock attack Taichu.


5 Japanese casualties.

150 Allied casualties.


Attached below as a link is the entire Combat Report for October 3, 1943.

Best Regards,

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[center]Status of Bases

within the Vicinity of Formosa

as of October 3, 1943
[/center]


The ports, airfields, and forts within the vicinity of Formosa are rapidly building as follows:


Amoy


Port: 4 (38%)
Airfield: 5 (19%)
Fort: 3 (5%)
Supply: 602,262
Fuel: 48,165
Aircraft: 204


Tsinkiang


Port: 2 (0%)
Airfield: 1 (0%)
Fort: 0 (0%)
Supply: 1,888
Fuel: 2,073
Aircraft: 0


Pescadores


Port: 5 (20%)
Repair Shipyard: 7,000
Airfield: 4 (47%)
Fort: 3 (1%)
Supply: 164,543
Fuel: 27,151
Aircraft: 191


Kagi


Port: 1 (0%)
Airfield: 4 (0%)
Fort: 0 (10%)
Supply: 5,100
Fuel: 1,100
Aircraft: 84


Takao


Port: 4 (54%)
Airfield: 8 (16%)
Fort: 3 (3%)
Supply: 523,230
Fuel: 33,675
Aircraft: 219

Hengchun


Port: 1 (0%)
Airfield: 2 (0%)
Fort: 0 (10%)
Supply: 211
Fuel: 1,005
Aircraft: 12


A map of the Formosa vicinity is below

Best Regards,

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[center]After Action Report

October 4, 1943
[/center]


Highlights for Today


1.) It was a busy, metal-crunching day on the sea and in the air. El Lobo’s KB also entered the fray. The grand tally for ship and aircraft losses for the day is as follows:

-10 Japanese ships sunk and 5 Japanese ships damaged, including but not limited to, 2 CLs heavily damaged with heavy fires and 1 CL took 3 shell hits.
-24 Allied ships sunk and 15 Allied ships damaged, including but not limited to, 1 BB sunk (The Ramillies which had been previously critically damaged and was steaming toward Tokyo Bay), 2 BBs lightly damaged, 1 CL lightly damaged, 1 DD sunk, 2 DDs heavily damaged, 2 DDs on fire, and 1 DD lightly damaged.
-64 Japanese aircraft destroyed and 7 Japanese aircraft damaged.
-22 Allied aircraft destroyed and 9 Allied aircraft damaged.

2.) Fully supplied Chinese attacked and captured Changteh.

3.) I sold Chungking to the Canadian Seven Nations Native Americans for a pig and a poke.



Synopsis of Combat Action for Today


1.) The Marianas Islands (Captain Haggard’s attempt to bombard Pagan).


Japanese Losses


1 destroyed (N1K1-J George).

CL Oyodo: 3 shell hits.
E Kiji: 1 shell hit.
E Fuyo: 5 shell hits; on fire.
E Shirataka: Sunk.
E Ishigaki: Sunk.
E Hashidate: Sunk.
E W-1: Sunk
E W-2: Sunk.
E W-23: Sunk.
PB Takuna Maru #7: Sunk.
PB Magne Maru: Sunk.
PB Okuyu Maru: Sunk.
PB Sureboko Maru: Sunk.


Allied Losses


1 destroyed (Martlet IV).
1 destroyed (F4U-1 Corsair).

BB Idaho: 1 shell hit.
CL Achillies: 3 shell hits.
DD Voyager: 1 shell hit.
DD Nestor: 1 shell hit; on fire.
DD Rotherham: 1 mine hit; on fire.
DD Harrison: 1 mine hit; heavy damage.
DD Bullard: Sunk.
AM Velocity: Sunk.
SC PC-578: Sunk.
SC PC-580: 1 shell hit.
SC PC-779: Sunk.
PT 103: Sunk.
PT 124: 1 shell hit.
PT 172: Sunk.
PT-231: Sunk.
YMS 134: Sunk.
YMS 147: Sunk.
YMS 243: Sunk.
YMS 313: 1 shell hit.
YMS 387: 1 shell hit; on fire.
SS Cha-3: Sunk.
SS Cha-8: Sunk.
SS Cha-10: Sunk.
SS Cha-15: Sunk.
SS Cha-20: Sunk.


2.) Formosa (Allied bombing of Japanese ships and Japanese Air attack at Takao).


Japanese Losses


1 destroyed (N1K1-J George).

3 Port hits.

CL Kinu: 6 bomb hits; heavy fires; heavy damage.
CL Isuzu: 4 bomb hits; heavy fires; heavy damage.


Allied Losses


2 destroyed (F4F-3 Wildcat).
3 destroyed (FM-1 Wildcat).
7 destroyed (F6F-3 Hellcat).
5 destroyed and 5 damaged (SB2C-1C Helldiver).
3 destroyed and 2 damaged (TBF-1 Avenger).
2 damaged (B-24D1 Liberator).


No Allied ships lost.


3.) Surface Combat Near Daito Shoto(hex 93,77).


Japanese Losses


None.


Allied Losses

BB Ramillies: Sunk.


4.) Japanese Carriers Attack Allied Invasion Fleet Near Batan Island (hex 89,73).


Japanese Losses


3 destroyed (A6M5 Zero).
39 destroyed and 4 damaged (B6N2 Jill).
20 destroyed and 3 damaged (in my best Cary Grant impersonation D4Y3 Juday, Juday, Juday).


No Japanese Ships lost.


Allied Losses


No Allied aircraft lost.


BB West Virginia: 1 torpedo hit.
CM Oglgla: 1 torpedo hit; on fire; heavy damage.
xAK Steel Mariner: 1 bomb hit; on fire.
xAK San Rafael: 1 bomb hit; on fire.
xAK Ekma: 2 bomb hits; heavy fires.
xAK West Planter: Sunk.
xAK Birningham city: Sunk.
xAK Charon: Sunk.
xAK Ernest Meyer: Sunk.
xAK Steel Ranger: Sunk.
xAK Egra: Sunk.
xAK Steel Inventor: Sunk.
xAK Congella: Sunk.


5.) Japanese bomb City of Seven Nations(previously Chungking).


6.) Japanese bomb 44th Chinese Corps Near Seven Nations (hex 77,46).


Japanese Losses


1 damaged (Ki-21-IIb Sally).
1 damaged (Ki-49-IIb Helen).


Allied Losses


45 Chinese casualties.


7.) Chinese deliberately attack Changteh.


Japanese Losses


352 casualties.
9th Manchukuo Brigade retreats.
Allies capture Changteh.


Allied Losses


39 Chinese casualties.


Attached below is the entire Combat Report for October 4, 1943.

Best Regards,

-Terry


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[center]Strategic Map

as of September 30, 1943
[/center]


The end of September, 1943 finds the Allies camped in El Lobo's backyard. The reception of Tokyo Rose's transmissions is quite clear now. Her sweet voice resembles a lullaby which eases us into sleep each night.

Best Regards,

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Welcome to The War College!

There is a lot of water between Pearl Harbor and Formosa with only the Marianas in between.

Allied ships are going to get tired making troop reinforcement, supply, and fuel runs to Formosa.

*chuckling*

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[center]Interesting Observations

as of October 5, 1943
[/center]


1.) Japanese Carriers have been spotted 5 hexes due west of Daito Shoto at hex 93,69):


-CV: 12
-CVE: 2
-CVL: 6

-Total Fighters: 271
-Total Bombers: 211


2.) 5 Allied Carrier Groups reacted leaving the Invasion Fleet and are 3 hexes southwest of the Japanese Carriers at hex 92,72.


-CV: 9
CVE: 12
CVL: 4


-Total Fighters: 384
-Total Bombers: 302


3.) The Allied Invasion Fleet is 3 hexes southwest of the Allied Carriers at hex 89,73 (i.e., 7 hexes due east of Aparri); and is 400 miles southeast of Pescadores and 1,112 miles northwest of Guam.


A map of the Philippine Sea showing the location of the Japanese Carriers, the Allied Carriers, and the Allied Invasion Fleet is below.

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I see the enemy aircraft totals you list are taken from the recon info.

They are exceedingly low. That mass of carriers will have way more than 271 fighters.

Then again, even the number of carriers being reported is subject to heavy FOW.

Even your own totals appear low.

You should have 324 fighters on your 9 CVs alone, if at full strength.

Are you using the replenishment carriers in their intended role or did you convert them to attack CVEs?

Given the deep foray, I would have wanted the ability to replenish air frames on my combat carriers and would have brought a TF of replenishment carriers along.
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ORIGINAL: HansBolter

I see the enemy aircraft totals you list are taken from the recon info.

They are exceedingly low. That mass of carriers will have way more than 271 fighters.

Then again, even the number of carriers being reported is subject to heavy FOW.

Even your own totals appear low.

You should have 324 fighters on your 9 CVs alone, if at full strength.

Are you using the replenishment carriers in their intended role or did you convert them to attack CVEs?

Given the deep foray, I would have wanted the ability to replenish air frames on my combat carriers and would have brought a TF of replenishment carriers along.


Hans-


As you have noticed and so indicated the Japanese aircraft totals and number and type of Japanese carriers are shown as intelligence indicates and of course subject to FOW.

The totals for the Allied carriers are accurate. Prior to the Invasion Fleet leaving the vicinity of Formosa, I flew off approximately 200 fighters and approximately 200 bombers to Pescadores and Takao.

I am using the replenishment carriers as fighting aircraft. As I have mentioned a few times but you may have forgotten, I first loaded as many carrier capable fighters as the 25 carriers could hold. The remaining aircraft space on the carriers was filled with Dauntless and Avenger. I wanted as many fighters as possible to provide CAP and LRCAP for the carriers, Invasion Fleet, and the three objectives of Amoy, Pescadores, and Takao.

Presently, some of the Allied carriers do not have any aircraft on them.

Best Regards,

-Terry

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[center]After Action Report

October 5, 1943[/center]


Highlight for Today

1.) Japanese Carrier Aircraft attack the Allied Invasion Fleet and take a beating.

2.) The grand tally for aircraft and ships losses for today is as follows:

-6 Japanese ships are damaged, including but not limited to, 1 CL on fire, 1 CL lightly damaged, and 1 DD with heavy fires.
-11 Allied ships are sunk and 3 are damaged, including but not limited to, 1 CVE on fire and 2 DDs sunk.

-155 Japanese aircraft destroyed and 9 damaged.
-6 Allied aircraft destroyed


Synopsis of Combat Action for Today


1.) The Marianas Islands

Japanese Losses

5 destroyed (B6N2 Jill).
2 Destroyed (N1K1-J George).

CL Noshiro: 2 shell hits.
CL Oyodo: 2 shell hits; 1 torpedo hit; on fire
DD Kosugiri: 8 shell hits; heavy fires.
E Uji: 2 shell hits.
E Tsuga: 2 shell hits; on fire.
E Kiji: 3 shell hits; on fire.

Allied Losses

5 destroyed (F4U-1 Corsair).

DD Nepal: Sunk.
DD Racehorse: Sunk.
AM Sheldrake: Sunk.
SC PC-781: 1 shell hit.
PC Vigilant: Sunk.
PC Jackson: Sunk.
YMS 244: Sunk.
YMS 287: Sunk.
YMS 288: Sunk.
YMS 290: Sunk.


2.) The Philippine Sea near Daito Shoto.

Japanese Losses

16 destroyed (A6M5 Zero).
59 destroyed (B6N2 Jill).
73 destroyed 9 damaged (D4Y3 Judy).

No Japanese ship losses.

Allied Losses

1 destroyed (F6F-3 Hellcat).

CVE Altamaha: 1 bomb hit; on fire.
SS Bluefish: 2 hits.
CM Gouden Leeuw: Sunk.
xAK William Windom: Sunk.
xAK Steel Worked: Sunk.


3.) Japanese bomb Chungking. Same old story; minimal casualties, manpower hits, and hundreds of thousands of fires.


4.) Japanese bomb 94th Chinese Corps near Chungking.

Japanese Losses

None.

Allied Losses

93 Chinese casualties.


5.) Japanese bomb 92nd Chinese Corps near Shaoyang.

Japanese Losses

None.

Allied Losses

77 Chinese casualties.


6.) Japanese deliberate attack near Chunking.

Japanese Losses

5,231 Japanese casualties.

Allied Losses

10,142 Allied casualties.
Chinese retreat toward Chickiang.


7.) Allies shock attack Taichu.

Japanese Losses

272 Japanese casualties.

Allied Losses

790 Allied casualties.


Attached below as a link is the entire Combat Report for October 5, 1943.

Best Regards,

-Terry

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I see the enemy aircraft totals you list are taken from the recon info.

They are exceedingly low. That mass of carriers will have way more than 271 fighters.

Then again, even the number of carriers being reported is subject to heavy FOW.

Even your own totals appear low.

You should have 324 fighters on your 9 CVs alone, if at full strength.

Are you using the replenishment carriers in their intended role or did you convert them to attack CVEs?

Given the deep foray, I would have wanted the ability to replenish air frames on my combat carriers and would have brought a TF of replenishment carriers along.


Hans-


As you have noticed and so indicated the Japanese aircraft totals and number and type of Japanese carriers are shown as intelligence indicates and of course subject to FOW.

The totals for the Allied carriers are accurate. Prior to the Invasion Fleet leaving the vicinity of Formosa, I flew off approximately 200 fighters and approximately 200 bombers to Pescadores and Takao.

I am using the replenishment carriers as fighting aircraft. As I have mentioned a few times but you may have forgotten, I first loaded as many carrier capable fighters as the 25 carriers could hold. The remaining aircraft space on the carriers was filled with Dauntless and Avenger. I wanted as many fighters as possible to provide CAP and LRCAP for the carriers, Invasion Fleet, and the three objectives of Amoy, Pescadores, and Takao.

Presently, some of the Allied carriers do not have any aircraft on them.

Best Regards,

-Terry


Thanks for the reminder of how you chose to structure things. I presume after having used at least some of your carriers as aircraft shuttles you won't be seeking a carrier engagement.

I would have done things a bit differently.

I would have massed all of my AKVs for aircraft shuttle purposes as they allow squadrons to land in ready to fly condition the way a CV shuttle would (they just have to dock to be able to unload unlike a CV shuttle that allows a fly off).

I also would have maintained some CVEs as replenishments extending the station keeping ability of the combat CVs and ensuring a better match up in a CV on CV fight.

Not a criticism of your approach, just an offer of a different approach that you might consider if choosing to go deep in another game.
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Gentlemen,

Speaking of doing things a bit differently—

I am afraid my approach has been singularly misguided in the northern Marianas. Fearing mines, I've tried to imbed DDs with MS craft and clear Pagan of the nasty things.

Clearly, this is not working. 1) when in a firefight, the DDs seem very sluggish against E-boats. They are completely out-gunned, and appear to lack all range and rapid-fire advantages; 2) I imagine in formation with YMS, PC, AM, the DDs are inhibited in combat effectiveness? It certainly appears so; 3) though all these miserable efforts, not one mine has be picked up. Don't get me wrong, this result is totally reasonable under a circumstance in which the MS TF is under fire; it's just that I was under the delusion that if you send 4 MS TFs in, one might be able be able to do it's assignment while other MS TFs fought. Evidently, that is not the case. The Japanese surface TF proceeded to engage each MS TF in turn.

So now what?

It would be nice to bombard those 135 Franks/Georges/Zeros (and recently, Jills) on that airfield with the 3 BBs. From previous turns it is obvious that—like minesweeping operations—bombardment does not happen (at least not here, not previously) until the enemy surface fleet is completely annihilated. That means engaging mines as well as those feisty Nip pipsqueaks.

So I'm feeling stuck.

Actually, I WAS momentarily downcast, until I saw what happened next to the Japanese carrier air strikes. Then I felt badly for El Lobo. It was a fricking nightmare. It was like his 200+ Zero escorts did not exist. They neither protected the Jills or Judys, nor did they manage to shoot down any Hellcats. Weird result, by any measure.

Ah well, back to the festivities...

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DDs in a TF with slow ships will only be able to move at the speed of the slowest ship, so they take a hit on their ability to maneuver and become easy targets for faster enemy boats.

If there is a Naval Fortress or CD unit at a hex that I want to clear of mines, I just embed DMS with a BB TF and go in to bombard. Rarely get hit by mines and the BBs do not get sunk by a couple of mine hits anyway. The bombardment will not get as many hits on the AF as you might like because it is suppressing the CD guns, but if you have enough DMS to daisy-chain the bombardment TFs the CD guns run out of ops points and your remaining ammo goes to normal bombardment.
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BB—

Once again, I truly appreciate your rapid and accurate responses.

OK, I am done hampering the performance of my own ships.

The bad news is I have exactly ONE DMS in the Marianas. I have 5-6 in the Pescadores area—all banged up except for a pair of them. I definitely wanted to get those back to Saipan, with the idea of doing something like what you describe above.

I had them in a MS TF and intended to send these back as part of the vast TFG armada, in the departure hex and set on "Follow the (Lead) TF". But—in a repeat result when I tried to do the very same thing with the MS TFs when we left PH for the Marianas—everyone left but the MS TF.

It was too dangerous to try and catch up, so the two healthy DMS remained at Pescadores.

QUESTION: Why are MS TFs singularly resistant to "Follow" in a Task Force Group, in which all other types of TFs do just fine in that regard? It is simply a matter of changing their designation to "Surface Combat" TF or "Escort" TF or imbedding them in other TFs, thus avoiding "MS" designation?

I thought the "MS" inability to "Follow" was an anomaly the first time, but now I'm pretty convinced something else is up...


Morning after Thanksgiving. A tough one. One couple brought over (an unexpected) 4 bottles of pinot to blind taste, then the 3 bottles we already had airing were naturally next, then the cabs and syrahs during dinner... by then I'm having a helluva time, once again co-owner of earth, when the one dude pulls out a 2001 bottle of French sauterne to have with the pumpkin mousse the Adjutant made. "You have to have this, Hag—this is probably the only 100-rated Robert Parker wine you'll ever have, because you're so cheap."

So the cheapskate indulged. Dessert wines, man—they'll get you every time—those efficient high-sugars say "Danger—will supercharge hangovers".

Anyhow... onward we trudge...

Thanks again for your insights, BB!

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Ok - some new advice ... about hangovers!

Sugar, alcohol and salt (most party food and beverage) suck up the water from your body and cause you to expel it. When I am at a party (such as this Sunday's Grey Cup) I do my drinking of alcohol up front and switch to water about half way through.

After returning from the party I drink lots of water before going to bed - might mean a trip to the bathroom during the night but at my age I do that anyway![:D]
Almost never get a hangover or the queasy stomach that comes with dehydration of the mucous lining. [:)]
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