Malaya Map

[Froonp]

Should we ask Harry?

I don't think that this is an issue that should be carried to the original Designer.
He made Legaspi a 2 sea zones port, so it should be the same in MWiF, for me there is no other alternative.

Now, how to make it the best way ? I would be happy with both solutions, that is either let is as is, or using the solution Trees Trees proposed.

[cockney]

After looking at the map I would agree with with Patrice, you'd have to use the straits to get to the South China Sea.
 
(just my 2 cents)
 
Andy

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: Froonp

ORIGINAL: trees

I'd say keep Legaspi as a two zone port and re-route the zone boundary a tiny bit to make that work out the easiest way.

i.e. draw the boundary from Samar to the Legaspi port symbol. simple. I also kind of like the symmetry of Cebu being a port only on the South China Sea and Legaspi only on the Marianas though...

Good idea.
(draw the boundary from Samar to the Legaspi port symbol)
Steve, would you agree ?

I looked at this and the way sea area boundaries are drawn doesn't lend itself to anything obvious. Right now the data has teh hex bordering both the Bismarck and the South China Sea. That's also true to the hex to the NW and the SE of Legaspi (and the hex 2 hexes SE of Legaspi). So the resource can be picked up by convoys in either sea area without involving the port at all.

The sea area boundaries are not drawn from Legaspi to the NW or SE since the connection is a land connection.

The sea area boundary between the hex SE and 2 SE of Legaspi is drawn (the dark blue line) because there is an all sea hexside being crossed. making the hex SE of Legaspi to only border the South China Sea is what is being discussed here. I am not real happy with that solution.

Meanwhile I need to investigate the code for drawing the sea area boundaries for the hex NW of Legaspi. It looks to me like there is an extra partial blue line there.

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets
Borneo. Did someone mention oil?

There should have been a couple of rivers too.
Rob forgot all of them.
I'm adding them to my file of missing bits.

Also, in the Celebes, the lake is missing, but this is a data error that I am correcting right now.
I'll upload them to you tonight.

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: Froonp
Also, in the Celebes, the lake is missing, but this is a data error that I am correcting right now.
I'll upload them to you tonight.

The Lake in Sumatra is missing too, but this is a data error too (though not mine, it was already like that).

The guy who entered the data mistook those lake hexsides with coastal hexsides [:D].

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: Froonp

ORIGINAL: Froonp
Also, in the Celebes, the lake is missing, but this is a data error that I am correcting right now.
I'll upload them to you tonight.

The Lake in Sumatra is missing too, but this is a data error too (though not mine, it was already like that).

The guy who entered the data mistook those lake hexsides with coastal hexsides [:D].

First let's get the map data files corrected. This has been needed for every map segment we have done so far and it usually clears up at least half of the rendering problems.

[lomyrin]

I do not see a problem with Legaspi on only the Bismarck Sea or for that matter if it is like in WiFFE on both Bismarck and South Shina Sea.
 
Since the scale changes have already changed the Singapore area and the China map I do not see a big argument either way. I really would prefer the correct geography for the port.
 
Lars 

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: lomyrin

I do not see a problem with Legaspi on only the Bismarck Sea or for that matter if it is like in WiFFE on both Bismarck and South Shina Sea.

Since the scale changes have already changed the Singapore area and the China map I do not see a big argument either way. I really would prefer the correct geography for the port.

Lars 

I know it was a typo, but I really like the sound of "The South Shina Sea". It gives a nice visual image too.

[YohanTM2]

Hey Steve,

It is hard to tell but can Singapore be attacked from 2 land hexes? it looks like it can and I think this should be changed back to just one as this is a rather critical hex. Also, it might be nice to shift the name very slightly so that it does not obscure the second land hex as this is partly what is confusing me.

Thx,

Rob

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: Yohan
Hey Steve,

It is hard to tell but can Singapore be attacked from 2 land hexes? it looks like it can and I think this should be changed back to just one as this is a rather critical hex. Also, it might be nice to shift the name very slightly so that it does not obscure the second land hex as this is partly what is confusing me.

Singapore can be attacked from 2 hexsides, as it can be in WiF FE.
The former MWF map was in error, and this was corrected.

WiF FE Singapore map :

[Froonp]

There is a coastline drawing error in Dutch New Guinea.
Top : Current coastlines.
Bottom : "Should have been" coastlines.

This is my fault. The PSD file I sent to Rob had this error. I thought I had corrected it before sending it, but obviously I didn't.

I put this into my "Missing Bits.txt" file, so that we don't forget to ask Rob to redo it.

[trees]

Just for fun I'll probably set up an airbase for somebody in the Sulu archipelago, and yes, send the Enterprise over that way.

Although the Spratly Islands have had a fascinating recent history and could generate a lot of history in the future, they were not part of the Phillipines in WWII. They were claimed by the French from the Chinese (who disputed that) and then quietly taken from the Vichy French by the Japanese. What country to give them to in Sep/Oct '39 is a bit of a pickle really; probably the French would be most accurate. At the time they were so inconsequential that no power even protested when the Japanese took them. As the biggest island is only 46 hectacres with the others rapidly dwindling from there I'm not sure your average WiF counter full of men could fit on all the islands together, let alone stack more than a counter. No one playing MWiF will probably ever use that hex, but it is noticeable on the map to lump it with the Phillipines. The Paracel Islands have a similar Chinese/French/Japanese historical trajectory with the Japanese already there by Sep/Oct '39 I think but are much smaller and I would suggest leaving them off the map.

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: trees
Although the Spratly Islands have had a fascinating recent history and could generate a lot of history in the future, they were not part of the Phillipines in WWII. They were claimed by the French from the Chinese (who disputed that) and then quietly taken from the Vichy French by the Japanese. What country to give them to in Sep/Oct '39 is a bit of a pickle really; probably the French would be most accurate. At the time they were so inconsequential that no power even protested when the Japanese took them. As the biggest island is only 46 hectacres with the others rapidly dwindling from there I'm not sure your average WiF counter full of men could fit on all the islands together, let alone stack more than a counter. No one playing MWiF will probably ever use that hex, but it is noticeable on the map to lump it with the Phillipines. The Paracel Islands have a similar Chinese/French/Japanese historical trajectory with the Japanese already there by Sep/Oct '39 I think but are much smaller and I would suggest leaving them off the map.

OK, what are the others' opinions with that one ?
Deleting them from the map can still be done, as we just have to correct the CSV data, even if the graphic exists, it will be ignored.

[Peter Stauffenberg]

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

A new map segment from Rob just arrived. Here's French-Indo China.

These maps look great (as usual).

I just noticed that the port and railroad to Kwang-ngai is in the sea and not on the shore. Maybe this
should be fixed?

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: Borger Borgersen
I just noticed that the port and railroad to Kwang-ngai is in the sea and not on the shore. Maybe this
should be fixed?

I fixed a bunch of icons (Port & Cities) and labels positions already, and I sent the modifications to Steve. Unfortunately, as I do not have the coastline bitmaps on my copy of MWiF, I can only make a first pass, and I can't check if it is fixed for real or not.
I'll make a second pass anyway when I'll have the updated bitmaps.

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets
A new map segment from Rob just arrived. Here's French-Indo China.

About this portion of the map, Wosung Steve and I decided that names in China should not have a dash in them, that is "Si-An" was renammed "Sian", etc...

So, I would have liked to ask Wosung if we should do the same for the rest of the South East Asia countries' names, for example here with Vien-tiane, Kwang-ngai, Sawng Kla (Malaya), or others.

Wosung ?

[cockney]

I don't think a dash between names would be useful Han-oi? Sai-gon?? Hong-Kong??? I think that living the names as single words is the better option.
 
Andy

[wosung]

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About this portion of the map, Wosung Steve and I decided that names in China should not have a dash in them, that is "Si-An" was renammed "Sian", etc...

So, I would have liked to ask Wosung if we should do the same for the rest of the South East Asia countries' names, for example here with Vien-tiane, Kwang-ngai, Sawng Kla (Malaya), or others.

Wosung ?
[/quote]

You could write them "Vientiane", "Kwang Ngai", "Cam Ranh", and Singora (Sawng Kla).

I checked a few maps for that.

Vietnamese names most commonly are/were written in two syllables, although even this isn't consistent for the "-" in between.

As a simple rule, I would write South East Asian names in one word, except for when it's looking real strange ("Camranh"), or when too many consonants in a row make it hard to read ("Kwangngai").

Finally I assume for WW2 Sawng Kla is better known as Singora?! Please re-check the maps on this one.

[Earl Uhtred]

Nice.

I'm not that familiar with the area but shouldn't the Mekong delta be more marshy?

Consider adding Kuantan as a minor port on the east coast of Malaya.

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: Earl Uhtred
I'm not that familiar with the area but shouldn't the Mekong delta be more marshy?

Consider adding Kuantan as a minor port on the east coast of Malaya.

You're right, see the WiF FE original map below. I'm putting swamps.

About the port, there is no minor port on the eastern cost of Malaya on the WiF FE maps, so unless there is an important reason, I can't add one on the MWiF map.