Fleets and the Mississippi

[General Quarters]

Then let's all try not to repeat the same point over and over.

[chris0827]

ORIGINAL: General Quarters

Then let's all try not to repeat the same point over and over.

Why not? You do. And who made you the boss of the forum?

[Gil R.]

As someone who is a boss of the forum, if not the boss, I'm not going to take anyone's side here, but I WILL state that if someone makes a good point well it only needs to be made once to receive serious consideration from those of us on the development team. The upcoming patch will be full of changes made not because people browbeat certain points into us, but because they were made effectively a single time.

That patch will also have a more historical scenario based on just that sort of browbeating -- a point that I and others have been trying to browbeat into visitors to this forum. So discussing that issue is superfluous for the time being, unless someone wants to respond to my earlier appeals for specific suggestions on what that scenario should have and not have.

[chris0827]

ORIGINAL: Gil R.

As someone who is a boss of the forum, if not the boss, I'm not going to take anyone's side here, but I WILL state that if someone makes a good point well it only needs to be made once to receive serious consideration from those of us on the development team. The upcoming patch will be full of changes made not because people browbeat certain points into us, but because they were made effectively a single time.

That patch will also have a more historical scenario based on just that sort of browbeating -- a point that I and others have been trying to browbeat into visitors to this forum. So discussing that issue is superfluous for the time being, unless someone wants to respond to my earlier appeals for specific suggestions on what that scenario should have and not have.

How about telling us what changes are being made in the historical scenario so we don't annoy you by bringing it up again.

[Gil R.]

There's a meeting this Tuesday night to start firming up our plans for the unbalanced scenario (as well as the CSA navy). We'll try to give you guys an update then. But we're certainly moving ahead with this clearly-needed change.

[christof139]

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ORIGINAL: christof139

Yeah, you hit it right on the head. With a historical game played by us now and not the real thing back then, that is what makes it fun and interesting, to be able to alter history a bit within reason, and that is the purpose of historical basec games.

MS:"Within reason.., and within the constraints of the realities of the situation". It's only fun and interesting to take on the role of Robert E Lee if you also take on the same challanges as Lee, with the same problems, strengths, and weaknesses.

Why play 2nd Punic War games if there isn't a chance of various Carthaginian commanders winning battles and even the war itself?? Why play Waterloo and other battles in that campaign if there isn't a chance that Nappy and the French can win?? Why play any WWII campaign games if the Allies always should ultimately win as they did in history.

MS: Because "should" doesn't mean "absolutely will". That's the challange..., can you make better or different use of the same resources to change the historical results? But if all you want to do is give Napoleon Tanks or some other rediculous advantage he never enjoyed, then you are not playing Waterloo..., you're playing "Dungeons and Dragons" or some other fantasy. Would Robert E. Lee be thought of as one of the Greatest Commanders America ever produced if the South had had equal resources to the North? Of course not. It was Lee's ability to pull victories from impossibie-looking situations of inferiority that made his reputation.

Chris :quote:end

Yes MS, I do believe that is what I stated and the points that I made. I agree. You seem not to comprehend what I wrote.

Chris

[christof139]

IMO, the "American Civil War" is simply the theme behind FOF. FOF does not advertise itself as a "simulation" of historic events. In fact, I have not been able to duplicate the actual history of the conflict thusfar. For me, the most intriguing aspect of the FOF design is the opportunity to make decsions differently than were done by historic persona in the past ,given similar resources and political/ecomnomic factors. This is the great appeal of FOF. If I want a history lesson on the War Between the States, I would not start with entertainment software.

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Too many Uber Weapons such as too many repeating rifles and Gatling Gun type weapons and the silly Med. Attachment/upgrade are a bit too much. Baloons were rarely used and from what I have read only in 1862 in the East, so that is a bit of Victorian Sci-Fi, although von Zepplin was impressed and motivated by what little he saw of them being used. Super Subs are also a bit too much.

There are other aspects of the game that are good and fun. I had a near historical game going by using the settings to constrain economics and supply etc.

In Nov., 1861 the South could have a river flotilla in either New Orleans or Memphis, and that would be historic.

There has to be some historical constarint with the ACW or Victorian Sci-Fi takes over.

Chris

[Gil R.]

christof139,
Please use the forum's quotation system properly, or else put quoted text into italics, so that we can easily figure out which parts of your posts are by you, and which are quoted.

[Titanwarrior89]

Alot of negitive stuff in the forums here lately-gamers, moderates, matrix team. I really don't understand why. If everyone will remember the same stuff went on with some people liking witp others not happy with it. As for chris I really don't see why that bothers anyone so much. With price tag on this game we have every right to love it or hate it. I see no problem with people voicing their opinion on the forums with in reason, especially after they spend $60.00.

The only reason I bring that up(the price) is that it seems once they have bought the game they have made a commitment to it, wether it be good or bad. The game was not a gift it was paid for.[:)] Let the man write. Besides I get bored once in awhile and it makes for good reading.[:D]

ORIGINAL: Gil R.

christof139,
Please use the forum's quotation system properly, or else put quoted text into italics, so that we can easily figure out which parts of your posts are by you, and which are quoted.

[ABridgeTooFar]

Titanwarrior:  I agree with free speech and every consumer should be able to voice their comments.  I just think that some posters should show courtesy and respect in their delivery.  There is an old Irish saying that goes, "You can tell someone to go to hell but make them think they will enjoy their trip to get there."

[christof139]

christof139,
Please use the forum's quotation system properly, or else put quoted text into italics, so that we can easily figure out which parts of your posts are by you, and which are quoted.

Ha ha ha!!! I thought it was easy to see. Very easy.

Please read and comprehend as you certainly must have done while in the educational system, it's easy.

Chris

[christof139]

I agree with free speech and every consumer should be able to voice their comments. I just think that some posters should show courtesy and respect in their delivery. There is an old Irish saying that goes, "You can tell someone to go to hell but make them think they will enjoy their trip to get there."

I have been quite poite and nice, and the negativity was here long before I ever came here.

I am just beefing about the mail foul-up, and have been quite supportive and understanding of the game and its developers and other people.

Old Polish adage: 'Put your mind in gear before you put you mouth in motion.' Actually, my father told me that long ago. It's sort of cute methinks. I apply this adage in an anological way to the game mailers and their mail addressing and their not using common sense as in double checking what may have been an error in an address. Most efficient businesses and people do on more than a rare occasion duoble and even triple check matters, but we all make boo-boos.

Chris

[ABridgeTooFar]

The Irish quote was a suggestion for you to use and not a suggestion for others to use towards you. It does not seem like you understood that or else you are choosing to ignore the free advice.

Just in case.
courtesy: (from dictionary.com)
1. excellence of manners or social conduct; polite behavior
2. a courtesous, respectful or considerate act or expression
3. indulgence, consent or acquiescence
4. favor, help or generosity
5. a curtsy
6. done or performed as a matter of protocol

[christof139]

The Irish quote was a suggestion for you to use and not a suggestion for others to use towards you. It does not seem like you understood that or else you are choosing to ignore the free advice.

Just in case.
courtesy: (from dictionary.com)
1. excellence of manners or social conduct; polite behavior
2. a courtesous, respectful or considerate act or expression
3. indulgence, consent or acquiescence
4. favor, help or generosity
5. a curtsy
6. done or performed as a matter of protocol

Yes, it is very similar to the adages 'Kill them with kindness.', and 'A little sugar with the spice.' etc.

I don't need any advice concerning this matter, as I have not been rude nor if the case may be, ruder and more griping than other people here, you're right, but thanx anyhow.

Thanx, Chris