Treespider's CHS- v1.04

[treespider]

Well hopefully it will be released for public consumption within the next week or two...I just need to complete the following:

1. Reset the planning for a number of Chinese units
2. My quick and dirty rewrite of the Soviet OoB which uses no new slots and accounts for the August Storm updates.
3. Rehash of Japanese OoB in China- a number of IMB's upgrade to divisions and the current OoB gives the Japanese both essentially doubling their real strength
4. Inclusion of some Nanking Army and Manchukuo Army units - More mouths to feed with no offensive strength.
5. Rework the placement of daily supply and resources in China - the chinese are going to have it tough.
6. Look at Japanese aircraft production - I have the USSBS production figures for all of the Japanese aircraft factories.
7. Other minor tweaks etc...

[Blackhorse]

ORIGINAL: treespider

At Blackhorse's request I did a quick study on the Burma OoB and opted to eliminate the Burma Frontier Force Brigade, 1 Burma Rifles, and 2nd Burma Rifles and the base at Pyinmana. I replaced the Brigades with 12 battalions: <snip>

Nicely done. And fast! [&o]

[Andrew Brown]

ORIGINAL: treespider
5. Rework the placement of daily supply and resources in China - the chinese are going to have it tough.

What basis did you use for the rework? The placement I made for the Chinese bases was made proportional to the population of the base, plus larger amounts of resource centres in resource locations (e.g. iron/coal mines).

Andrew

[treespider]

ORIGINAL: Andrew Brown

ORIGINAL: treespider
5. Rework the placement of daily supply and resources in China - the chinese are going to have it tough.

What basis did you use for the rework? The placement I made for the Chinese bases was made proportional to the population of the base, plus larger amounts of resource centres in resource locations (e.g. iron/coal mines).

Andrew

I'm basing my figures on the ratio of factories in Nationalist China in 1942...there were 3758 factories. "The BooK" shows the percentage by province, I will then compare that to the China handbook 1937-1945 to compare their figures and then adjust the values based on what is currently in the game... I guess you could call it an educated fudge.

What I want to do though is shift back towards more on map resources and factories - as opposed to the the unstoppable daily resource approach I originally adopted to counter the Japanese strategy of bombing the Chinese into starvation coupled with the entering of a hex stop production. With more bases I will be able to spread the industry and resources around which should lessen the effects of having any one single base taken out.

The Chinese were starving come 1944...yes they were hoarding equipment but they were also starving and as a result there were an ever increasing number of defections to the Nanking Army. The defections coupled with the supply strain were partly responsible IMO for the succes s of Ichigo in 1944. In other words the chinese were stronger in 1941 than in 1944. Most of the resources flown over the hump went to suypporting the American Air force in China and not necessarily to the Chinese.

In any event I don't have even have the raw data compiled yet hopefully by tonight or sometime this week....

[treespider]

Although I recommend never attacking the Soviets as we are playing Wit Pacific and not Siberia, here are my suggested Soviet OoB changes for those who feel the Soviets are under strength.

IIRC it uses very few new slots, upgrades the Soviets based on the units that were actually present, and accounts for the 1945 August Storm Unit replacements.

Although it is not perfect IMO it is far better than what we have now. My slots should be updated by Wednesday night...

Here is my suggested slot allocations for the Trans Baikal Front and the reasons why:
[EDIT: After posting I realized that this work was compiled based on an earlier version of CHS. Some slot numbers will be changed based upon units current locations in CHS 2.08]

Format: Slot Number - Unit - Explanation of what it represents...

2163 (New) – 85 Rifle Corps – Represents 36 & 57 Motorized Div and 1 & 3 Mot Reg. These units were in 17th Army throughout the war until August Storm and formed 85 Corps Dec 43

2164 – 2nd Rifle Corps ( replaces 35th Rifle Division) (Upgrades to 2nd Rifle Corps)– Represents 97 & 116 RD & Airborne Battalion which are present at start, Then represents the 2nd RC arrives July 42 as the 97 & 116 RD & Airborne have left

2165 – 86 Rifle Corps (replaces 66th Rifle division) (Upgrades to 86 Rifle Corps) – Represents 94, 209 & 210 RD which eventually form 86 RC

2166, 2167 and 2168 will be occupied by the 5th Gd Rifle Corps, 94th Rifle corps and 113th Rifle Corps all of which are August Storm Reinforcements. (replacing 78, 79 and 101 Mountain Division)

2169 – Trans Baikal Engineer Brigade – Represents various engineer elements assigned to trans Baikal Front

2170 – 3 Gd Art Div – August Storm reinforcement

2171 – 6 Gd Art Div – August Storm reinforcement

2172 – 17th Army Art Corps – 20% At start strength – Represents At Start 185 Gun Artillery Regiment, By Jul 42 increases in strength to represent 185 Gun Artillery Regiment, 1141 Gun Artillery Regiment, 413 Howitzer Artillery Regiment and in Feb 43 represents 185 Gun Artillery Regiment, 624 Gun Artillery Regiment, 629 Gun Artillery Regiment, 1141 Gun Artillery Regiment, 413 Howitzer Artillery Regiment, 178 Mortar Regiment

2173 – 36 Army Art Corps –Represents At Start 267 Corps Artillery Regiment, 390 Corps Artillery Regiment, 14 Mortar Battalion, July 42 - 259 Howitzer Artillery Regiment, 267 Gun Artillery Regiment, 390 Gun Artillery Regiment, 1233 Gun Artillery Regiment, 177 Mortar regiment

Slot 2174 – Tr-Bkl Cavalry Division (replaces 81st PVO) – Represents the 51st and later the 59th Cavalry Division

2175 – Far Eastern Front - Sahkalin Rifle Corps (replaces 82nd PVO)– Represents ‘At Start’ 79 Rifle Division, 101 Rifle Division, SAKHALIN Rifle Brigade

2176 – Far Eastern Front Artillery Corps (Replaces 83rd PVO)– Represents ‘At Start’ 181 Howitzer Artillery Regiment, 362 Artillery Battalion, 367 Artillery Battalion; Jul 42 - 428 Howitzer Artillery Regiment, 1137 Howitzer Artillery Regiment, KHABAROVSK Artillery Battalion, 362 Artillery Battalion, 367 Artillery Battalion

Slot 2177 – 31 Fortified Region ( Replaces 103rd region)

Slot 2178 – 32 Fortified Region ( Replaces 104th region)

Slot 2179 - Free – Could be used for reinforcement or separate AA units

Slot 2180 12th Air Army Base Force

Slot 2181 - Tr-Bkl Front Art.Corps – Represents At Start 106 Howitzer Artillery Regiment, 216 Howitzer Artillery Regiment, 413 Howitzer Artillery Regiment, 13 Mortar Battalion, Jul 42 - 106 Howitzer Artillery Regiment, high power, 1146 Howitzer Artillery Regiment, high power, 216 Howitzer Artillery Regiment, *1142 Gun Artillery Regiment, 1143 Gun Artillery Regiment, 176 Mortar Regiment, 178 Mortar Regiment, 32 Guards Mortar Regiment

Slot 2182 - 17th Army Tank Corps – Represents At Start 61 Tank Division, 9 Motorized Armored Brigade, 30 Motorcycle Regiment, 82 Tank Battalion, July 42 - 61 Tank Division, 43 Tank Brigade, 9 Motorized Armored Brigade, 30 Motorcycle Regiment, 70 Tank Battalion, 82 Tank Battalion, Feb 43 - 61 Tank Division, 43 Tank Brigade, 9 Motorized Armored Brigade, 30 Motorcycle Regiment, 68 Tank Battalion, 70 Tank Battalion, 82 Tank Battaion

Slot 2183 - 111 Tank Division

Slot 2184 - Tr-Bkl Front TankCorps – Represents 33 Tank Battalion, 35 Tank Battalion of 36th Army, Jul 42 - 44 Tank Brigade, 205 Tank Brigade, 206 Tank Brigade 33 Tank Battalion, 35 Tank Battalion, Feb 43 – Same

2185 – 8th Cav Division (no change) – No change other than possible location

2186 9 Mech Corps Aug. Storm
2187 7 Mech Corps Aug-Storm
2188 3 Mech Corps Aug-Storm

[treespider]

After posting the Trans-Baikal forces I realized that these OoB's were compiled based on an earlier version of CHS - Some Slot numbers will be changed when I start doing dtata entry...


Here is my suggested slot allocations for the Far Eastern Front and the reasons why:

2175 – Sahkalin Rifle Corps (replaces 82nd PVO)– Represents ‘At Start’ 79 Rifle Division, 101 Rifle Division, SAKHALIN Rifle Brigade

2176 – Far Eastern Front Artillery Corps (Replaces 83rd PVO)– Represents ‘At Start’ 181 Howitzer Artillery Regiment, 362 Artillery Battalion, 367 Artillery Battalion; Jul 42 - 428 Howitzer Artillery Regiment, 1137 Howitzer Artillery Regiment, KHABAROVSK Artillery Battalion, 362 Artillery Battalion, 367 Artillery Battalion

2185 – 8th Cav Division (no change) – No change other than possible location

2189 – 56 Rifle Corps (replaces 39 Rifle Div) – Arrives Dec 43

2190 – 5 Rifle Corps ( replaces 59 Rifle Div) – Represents ‘At Start’ 35 Rifle Division, 66 Rifle Division, Amur. Rifle Regiment; Jul 42 – 35 Rifle Division, 66 Rifle Division, 422 Rifle Division, 246 Rifle Brigade, 248 Rifle Brigade

2191 – 26 Rifle Corps (replaces 1st Rifle Bde) – Represents ‘At Start’ 22 Rifle Division, 59 Rifle Division, GRODEKOVA Rifle Division

2192 – 59 Rifle Corps (replaces 4th Rifle Bde) – Represents ‘At Start’ 39 Rifle Division, SPAASK (98) Rifle Division

2193 – 17 Rifle Corps ( replaces 5th Rifle Bde) – Represents ‘At Start’ Poltava Rifle Division; Jul 42 - 190 Rifle Division, 261 Rifle Brigade, 262 Rifle Brigade

2194 – 102 Region Fort – No change

2195 – Free

2196 – 25th Army Art Corps ( Replaces 273rd Gun Regt) – Represents ‘At Start’ 215 Artillery Regiment, 282 Artillery Regiment, 386 Artillery Regiment, 548 Artillery Regiment, 549 Howitzer Artillery Regiment, 21 Mortar Battalion

2197 – Free

2198 – 45 Rifle Corps (replaces 549 Howitzer rgt) – August Storm reinforcement arrives June 21

2199 – 12th Aviation Rgt – No change

2200 – (new) 204 Rifle Division

2201 – 10 Mech Corps (replace 59 Tank Bde) – August Storm

2202 – 1st Army Tank Corps (replaces 69 Motorized Bde) – Represents ‘At Start’ - 2 (USSURIISK) TD, 75 Tank Brigade, 77 Tank Brigade, Motorized Rifle Brigade

2203 – 3 Rifle Division (same) – Represents 2nd Army 3rd RD.

2204 – 12 Rifle Division (same) – Represents 2nd Army 12th RD

2205 – 101 Region Fort (same)

2206 – 15 Army Art Div (replaces 42nd Gun Rgt) – August Storm

2207 – 2 Red Banner Army Art Div (replaces 550 Howitzer Regt) – Represents ‘At Start’ 42 Artillery Regiment, 114 Artillery Regiment, 411 Artillery Regiment, 550 HOW Artillery Regiment, 192 Artillery Battalion, 22 Mortar Battalion

2208 – 10 Aviation Regt (same)

2209 – 105 Region Fort (new)

2210 – 34 Rifle Division (same)

2211 – 111 Region Fort (replaces 115 Region)

2212 – 65 Rifle Corps (replaces 52 Gun Rgt) – August Storm

2213 - 25 Army Tank Corps (replaces 76 Gun Rgt) – Represents ‘At Start’ 72 Tank Brigade, 76 Tank Brigade; JUL – 42 represents 72 Tank Brigade, 76 Tank Brigade, 302 Tank Battalion; FEB – 43 represents 72 Tank Brigade, 76 Tank Brigade, 302 Tank Battalion, 218 Tank Brigade, 382 Tank Battalion

2214 – 10 Air Army EAB (same)

2215 – 112 Region Fort (new)

2216 – 72 Rifle Corps (replaces 32 Rifle Division) – August Storm

2217 – 39 Rifle Corps (replaces 40 Rifle Division) – Represents ‘At Start’ 40 Rifle Division, 105 Rifle Division, 208 Rifle Division, VOROSHILOV Rifle Division

2218 – 87 Rifle Corps (replaces 92 Rifle Division) – Dec 43

2219 – 88 Rifle Corps (replaces 105 Rifle Division) – Feb 43

2220 – Far Eastern Front Engineer Brigade (replaces 32nd Engr Regt) – Represents Far Eastern Front engineer units

2221 – 106 Region Fort (same)

2222 – 107 Region Fort (same)

2223 – 108 Region Fort (same)

2224 – 110 Region Fort(same)

2225 – Vladivostok Fort(same)

2226 – 5 Army Art Div (replaces 282 Gun Rgt) – August Storm

2227 – 1st Red Banner Army Art Div (replaces 548 Gun Rgt) – Represents ‘At Start’ 50 Corps Artillery Regiment, 273 Corps Artillery Regiment, 165 Howitzer Artillery Regiment, 199 Howitzer Artillery Regiment

2228 – 9 Air Army (same)

2229 – 9 Aviation Regt (same)

2235 – 35 Army Tank Div (replaces 312 Rifle Division) – Represents ‘At Start’ 29 Motor cycle Regt, JUL – 42 represents 125 Tank Brigade, 172 Tank Brigade, 29 Motorcycle Regiment

2245 – 2 Army Tank Corps (replaces 313 Rifle Division) – Represents ‘At Start’ 73 Tank Brigade, 74 Tank Brigade; FEB – 43 represents 73 Tank Brigade, 74 Tank Brigade, 672 Tank Battalion, 673 Tank Battalion, 674 Tank Battalion, 676 Tank Battalion

2277 – 15 Army Tank Div (replaces 8th Rgt) – Represents ‘At Start’1 (AMUR) Tank Division, JUL 42 – represents 165 Tank Brigade, 171 Tank Brigade, 677 Tank Battalion

2293 – 28 Soviet Air (same)

2306 – 27 Soviet Air (same)

2321 – 26 Soviet Air (same)

2372 – Okha Naval Fort (same

3447 – Petropavlosk Fort (same)

[Mike Dixon]

Looks great!

[DuckofTindalos]

ORIGINAL: treespider

At Blackhorse's request I did a quick study on the Burma OoB and opted to eliminate the Burma Frontier Force Brigade, 1 Burma Rifles, and 2nd Burma Rifles and the base at Pyinmana. I replaced the Brigades with 12 battalions:

Chin Hills Bn, Burma FF
Myit. Bn, Burma FF
N Shan Bn, Burma FF
S Shan Bn, Burma FF
Kokine Bn, Burma FF
3 Bn, Burma Rifles
4 Bn, Burma Rifles
9 Bn, Burma Rifles
10 Bn, Burma Rifles
11 Bn, Burma Rifles
12 Bn, Burma Rifles
13 Bn, Burma Rifles

What sort of TOE do the battalions use?

[treespider]

ORIGINAL: Terminus

ORIGINAL: treespider

At Blackhorse's request I did a quick study on the Burma OoB and opted to eliminate the Burma Frontier Force Brigade, 1 Burma Rifles, and 2nd Burma Rifles and the base at Pyinmana. I replaced the Brigades with 12 battalions:

Chin Hills Bn, Burma FF
Myit. Bn, Burma FF
N Shan Bn, Burma FF
S Shan Bn, Burma FF
Kokine Bn, Burma FF
3 Bn, Burma Rifles
4 Bn, Burma Rifles
9 Bn, Burma Rifles
10 Bn, Burma Rifles
11 Bn, Burma Rifles
12 Bn, Burma Rifles
13 Bn, Burma Rifles

What sort of TOE do the battalions use?

At work at the moment but, iirc...something like 36 squads INf squads plus some supporting arms.

[DuckofTindalos]

Really looking forward to seeing and subsequently stealing... erm, borrowing your Soviet changes, BTW...

[treespider]

ORIGINAL: Terminus

Really looking forward to seeing and subsequently stealing... erm, borrowing your Soviet changes, BTW...

Don't set your hopes too high with the Soviets. To do justice they need a bunch of slots...

When I looked at them a year or so ago I decided I didn't want to "waste" slots on them so I developed the above suggestions based on the IRL "AT START" OoB and subsequent reinforcements that arrived during the course of the war.

Essentially it boiled down to upgrading the At Start Divisions to Coprs and throwing in some Artillery Divisions and more Armor.

I also mapped out where and when the August Storm reinforcements arrive and what slots are used for the upgrade...I then based the At start forces on the August Storm changes so a unit should "upgrade" in place in 1945.

[treespider]

New and Improved, Re-compartmentilized, Re-Packaged, Homogenized and Pateurized Soviets are now just about complete I just need to spread around some AAA assets ....

I'm willing to send the loc.csv file for those interested in taking a look (just PM me)...and am open to suggestions on new starting locations for some of the Soviet units. Likewsie I do not have figures for a BT-7 so I used the T-26S...

I also shifted the 3000 Daily Supply from Krsnoyarsk to 1750 and gave Komsomolsk 1000 and Aldan 250. The Soviets constructed a railway north of the one represented on map and this daily supply accounts for the presence of the railway.

Remember additional slot allocations are not an option.

[DuckofTindalos]

I'd like to see that .csv file...

[treespider]

Soviet OOB is now finalised. Quick analysis shows a total of 1470 tanks and armored cars before disabled % are applied...they average 10-12%- so figure around 1308 tanks and armored cars plus another 162 disabled.
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Coox places Soviet tank and armored car strength at between 1200-1400 .... so Ii am comfortable with my homogenized and pastuerized OoB.

[treespider]

ORIGINAL: treespider

Soviet OOB is now finalised. Quick analysis shows a total of 1470 tanks and armored cars before disabled % are applied...they average 10-12%- so figure around 1308 tanks and armored cars plus another 162 disabled.

Coox places Soviet tank and armored car strength at between 1200-1400 .... so Ii am comfortable with my homogenized and pastuerized OoB.

For comparison's sake CHS 155 (and I imagine stock) give the Soviets 353 Tanks and Armored cars

[Knavey]

Tree,
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What sources are you using as references for the OOB of the Soviets?&nbsp; I am looking for a good book on the August Storm campaign as well as the OOBs for the Manchuria garrison.
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[treespider]

ORIGINAL: Knavey

Tree,

What sources are you using as references for the OOB of the Soviets?  I am looking for a good book on the August Storm campaign as well as the OOBs for the Manchuria garrison.

Primary source is:

David M. Glantz's Companion to Colussus Reborn. He provides a snap shot of the entire Soviet OoB at six points throughout the war.

MY OoB is an interpretation of that to minimize slot usage...

For example I created an Artillery Corpr to account for the numerous Artyillery brigades to be found and I lumped Tank Brigades and Tank Divisions together into Tank Corps...etc etc.

[Knavey]

It looks like you are doing a very good job with that mod.&nbsp; I wish I had more time to play all the various mods out there, but right now 2 PBEMs is almost more than I can do.
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Thanks for the source, will have to check it out.
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Dave

[treespider]

I have identified a number of Japanese Independent Mixed Brigades (IMB's) that start on map. These IMB's are later absorbed by infantry divisions...The problem is the Japanese also receive these divisions. I have eliminated the IMB's and replaced them with the corresponding Divisions which would arrive later as reinforcements and started the Divisions at Brigade strength. The affected units are identified as follows:

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 Slot    Div.    (IMB)
 1573   58th (18 IMB)
 1574   59th (10 IMB)
 1600   60th (11 IMB)
 1601   68th (14 IMB)
 1602   69th (16 IMB)
 1603   70th (20MB)
 1617   62nd (4,6 IMB)
 1618   64th (12 IMB)
 1619   65th (13 IMB)
 1658   63rd (15 IMB)
 1679   115th (7 IMB)

So I guess to cover all of the new bases the japanese could break down the divisions. And supplement them with the worthless puppets that will be put into the brigade slots...

[treespider]

Next up -
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Manchukuo Army and Nanking Army units for Japan...
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I will not be doing a 1-1 inclusion of the Puppet Units merely giving the flavor...
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So for example I will have a unit called the:
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Su-Chen-An Pacification Army
It will represent 7 Divisions and several brigades. However these will be puppet forces and will be quite weak...
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Initial research indicates that those wonderful Mongolian Cavalry Divisions currently in the inventory are way over strength...Strength should be about 600-1000 men a piece.
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Hope to have these guys completed by tomorrow night....and the Mod done by Sunday night.