Game is Broken Quit until Patches

[firepowerjohan]

ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

that may be because he is letting you dogfight him and draining away his Production, they is not any real reason to keep the Axis Air in the West, until the Allies get there Stat Bombers higher enough to do damage

in RL, the Germens only kept 2 Gruppen on the Western front, and then, only fought when they felt like it, unlike in 43-44 when they had to oppose Allied air raids

and that is almost exactly what happened. I levelled Paris and was about to level Brussels when he felt he had to fight back. The nice thing about UK is that they can neglect infantry and armour tech to focus alot more labs into navy and especially air tech. I have higher dog fight tech due to this and will either eat his planes or eat his cities. Also the strategic bomber has some upgrades so it can bomb cities better.

[MengCiao]

ORIGINAL: firepowerjohan

Maybe I am seing the game from another perspective but in my latest 2 tcpip games against Kurt Eichert (=Vypuero, the guy who made all scenarios!) I noticed no Axis bias at all but instead a slight Allied bias. When I was Axis (and Vypueoro was Allies) we fought until 1944 but called it a draw. I had strong Axis tech (especially monster tanks!) but low manpower restricted me so I could not follow through or build enough infantry to fill the lines I had to focus just on defending and causing as much losses on USSR as possible to slow them down. Still held some USSR land in early 1944 when we ended but due to a Vichy Bug we had to stop and called it a draw.

In my latest game, I am Allies and Vypuero is Axis, in early 1942 he still is far from Moscow and Leningrad so I have managed to stall him and in the west I am hammering the french coast and having the dog fights of my life to drain the axis economy [8D]
I even manage to hold egypt still but I am pushed back at Port Said and he will eventually get it, but I try to hold as long as possible to deny him the oil fields in the mid east long enough.

In our games we have actually found it is abit tougher for Axis (on normal difficulty) and Vypuero said he thinks the 1939 game is 60-40 in favour of the Allies.

IMO Barbarossa is the most important front and handling USSR being pushed back requires alot of practice and patience. If you make mistakes then Axis can punish you but if you hold long enough the oil and manpower problems may slow Axis down.

What is the Vichy Bug? What are the symptoms? How is it manifest?

[HansBolter]

The Germans can easily stand and fight in the air in the west and trounce the British IF they are smart enough to emphasize dogfighting reasearch and I mean EMPHASIZE as in a minumum of 3 labs on air research.

[firepowerjohan]

The Vichy bug was in a beta version prior to release so relax, it is not there anymore [:)]

[IainMcNeil]

The feedback right now seems very split about whether its too easy for Axis or not so I'm not sure whether we need to reduce the strength of Germany or Italy, or leave things as they are. Maybe we will let the modding community decide once they get their hands on the editor.

[targul]

ORIGINAL: Iain McNeil

The feedback right now seems very split about whether its too easy for Axis or not so I'm not sure whether we need to reduce the strength of Germany or Italy, or leave things as they are. Maybe we will let the modding community decide once they get their hands on the editor.

I find this funny. I have asked on this board over and over for anyone who has won a game as Allies verses a Human opponent and not one person has said yes.

Many say they can but no one has said they did.

Now I have played many players from this board we certainly never saw an Allied win. The norm should be an Allied win not axis. I know some may not like it but the Allies really did win.

Had one person responded that they had won as Allies I would still be playing.

I still have two games I am playing because I always complete all the games I agree to play.

One of these players seems to be doing very well as Russian. It is early 42 and I have not taken Moscow but time will tell if Russia will still stand by 43. I have had two games go to 44 but the Allies still collapsed. But I will admit this guy is holding strong. But again I own all of Africa and my Italians are fighting in Iran at this time. This is nomal for the game since there is no supply control from Malta allowing unlimited axis units in africa. The lack of supply control and the removal of commonwealth reinforcement and the starting air unit not being there has been the rue of Egypt in every game.

Other game that I am still involved in is too soon to have any idea of Russia.

I did complete one more game since I quit accepting new games of this one and that one ended in another Axis win.

So I am still waiting for someone who played Allies verses a human player to say they won. I mean it is not too much to ask for 1 victory but still none reported.

[firepowerjohan]

Already ppl are saying they take up your challenge and offer to be Allies in a game vs you so repating this over and over without beating those who claim the opposite is no point. Continue this discussion on the battlefields instead. 
 
I hereby offer to defend my game and play against you, me being Allies of course [8D]
 

[targul]

ORIGINAL: firepowerjohan

Already ppl are saying they take up your challenge and offer to be Allies in a game vs you so repating this over and over without beating those who claim the opposite is no point. Continue this discussion on the battlefields instead. 

I hereby offer to defend my game and play against you, me being Allies of course [8D]

Same question firepowerjohan have you ever won as a human Allied player? If answer is yes then I would happily play you since I would like to see the Allies win ONCE.

Everyone who has responded so far has not won as Allied verses a human. They beat the AI not a real person. I just want to play someone who has actually played and won verses a person so I can find what all of us having been doing wrong and him right.

[firepowerjohan]

I have not finished any tcpip game on the 1.00 version yet.
My ongoing game is vs Vypuero (the man who made all scenarios), 1939 scenario where I am Allies and I am doing fine. We are in 1942 and neither side has any clear advantage, holding Moscow, Kiev, Leningrad, Port Said.

My last tcpip game before that was with a late beta version, also vs Vypuero. I was Axis that time and game turned out a draw.

[targul]

Sounds like you are doing fine.  Really surprised you still hold Port Said. 
 
If it becomes obvious to you that you will actually win as the allies give me a hollar and I will play you.  Not because I am the best Axis player there is because I am not even close but because I sincerely would like to see the Allies win ONE game.

[Ola Berli]

targul,
 
not be shy. Could be You are the best Axis [:D]

[firepowerjohan]

ORIGINAL: targul

Sounds like you are doing fine.  Really surprised you still hold Port Said. 

If it becomes obvious to you that you will actually win as the allies give me a hollar and I will play you.  Not because I am the best Axis player there is because I am not even close but because I sincerely would like to see the Allies win ONE game.

We are writing an AAR while playing so yes I will post that AAR and that is regardless if I win or lose [8D]

[targul]

ORIGINAL: Ola Berli

targul,

not be shy. Could be You are the best Axis [:D]

Nope, I play lots of wargames and I am a poor Axis commander. Wish I could say this was a possilbility but I know I suck. Now on the other hand in other games most people are afraid to play me as Russian because I always win. This game has reversed that.

I was proud of my what I considered Axis victories until I discovered they had balanced the game. Balanced the game says they gave some bonuses to the Axis and those bonuses are readily seen when you play. I discontinued accepting new games at that moment because they had cheated to balance the game.

It is no victory if you are not subject to the same problems and benefits during that period. If they had simply balance by adjusting effectiveness that would have been fine because it is justifiable giving actual war results but removing units and allowing higher production numbers are not.

[Ola Berli]

targul,
 
I understand [:)] 
 
In fact I do not have this game and after Your experience it will be awhile before I purchase it if....ever.

[schury]

ORIGINAL: targul

ORIGINAL: Ola Berli

targul,

not be shy. Could be You are the best Axis [:D]

Nope, I play lots of wargames and I am a poor Axis commander. Wish I could say this was a possilbility but I know I suck. Now on the other hand in other games most people are afraid to play me as Russian because I always win. This game has reversed that.

I was proud of my what I considered Axis victories until I discovered they had balanced the game. Balanced the game says they gave some bonuses to the Axis and those bonuses are readily seen when you play. I discontinued accepting new games at that moment because they had cheated to balance the game.

It is no victory if you are not subject to the same problems and benefits during that period. If they had simply balance by adjusting effectiveness that would have been fine because it is justifiable giving actual war results but removing units and allowing higher production numbers are not.

that's bravery! at least you are the first guy standing out talking about the balance. i guess people usually don't wanna a game to be changed if they feel like they are the minor who control the secret to kick those who don't. if so, it explains quite well why people in GGWAWAWD, another famous game, do not point out a very obvious unballanced point until i pointed it out as a several-week newbie. but after i pointed it out, everybody agrees to it, and seems quite sure about it. looks like it's a common secret before the last straw. but your situation here is quite diferent, you maybe the guy play the most VS games in this forum, so your opinion is only supported by yourself. i just recommend you to reason the clues like 1939 nov, you conquer poland, 1940 jun, you conquer france, and so on. if all these procedures are doable and undefandable, then your idea gets stronge supports. talking without stpporting is meaningless[:D]
so just go on to help this game be better. i think it has great potential to be a perfect one.
[:)]

[schury]

and if no one declare a victory as allies vs human. i believe it's just because not that many people play this game right now, or there should be some one good as allies vs some newbies. the same example, GGWAWAWD, before the patch, the game rusults in the tournaments is approximately 1:1. those good can beat newbies with ease 

[firepowerjohan]

Here is a half way trough AAR from my (me=Allies) latest game vs Vypuero (=Axis) where IMO Allies have a good chance of draw or win.
 
http://www.slitherine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3753