Why I probably wont be buying Admirals Edition

[Big B]

I can't speak for every member of this great team that was put together, but I would like to personally thank Joe, Don and JWE for roping me into this a number of months ago...thanks for the opportunity.

ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker

I'm buying it for sure, and as I said I'm buying a hard copy of WITP to go with it despite already having the game. I bought 3 copies of UV and a Watchtower (SteelPantherExpansion) to support the developers so it is time to shell out some more mountain money to help keep these guys funded. Sure a lot of us have to be careful with money but UV and WITP have paid for themselves a hundred times over in entertainment savings simply because I've gone out less and have not felt the need to purchase too many other games.

Further, just looking at the list of improvements I've noticed that a large portion are similar to issues and ideas I have had with the game since Beta. This is fantastic. Better still, look at the pedigree of the guys doing the work. Could not find a better team.

AE is going to be amazing from what I gather.

[donkey_roxor]

AE is apparently also coming with a full-color, updated manual, too. How much would you pay for that?

[Terminus]

If you buy the boxed version... The download version will have to make do with a full-colour, updated PDF file...[;)]

[Jim D Burns]

ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund

Meh, Im going to buy it whatever it costs. I'll happily shell out 100 USD for AE.

Knowing the time, effort and dedication of those who have worked with it, and knowing how much I want to play with the new features added...money is not really a factor. Its worth it.

Agree 100%. You can't put a price on the enjoyment I've gotten out of WitP, and AE will be even better. Also I doubt WitPII will materialize for at least 5 years, probably closer to 10 if ever.

Jim

P.S. I'd be willing to shell out $200.00 US if it would guarantee people will continue working on the engine. If the expansion doesn't sell well I bet there won't be many more feature enhancements to the engine again. Support WitP in all its forms lest we lose out in the end.

[Bahnsteig]

I'll buy it for four reasons:
[ol][*]The guys have been working so many patches out that this alone is a reason to spend money.[*]With more money they will hopefully make a bettes WITP2 or a simmilar game[*]I'm playing WITP for years and there aren't many games out there with a so good time\money relation.[*]My posts in this forum improved my English and  I hope it will do so in the future.
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[LargeSlowTarget]

I'll buy WitP-AE or die trying. WitP was 'best bang for a buck' I ever got for a game, and since it has been published I have purchased only one other (SH4) - there has been no other PTO game worth mentioning since, and WitP eats allmost all my gaming time anyway (and I did'nt even got past spring 43 yet...).  

[goodboyladdie]

ORIGINAL: Etrigan

Hortlund

  doesnt really work that way though.

If AE sells bad (because of people like you perhaps?) then there wont be a witp2 -ever. Just as there would not have been an AE if witp had sold bad.

Im going to stop talking right now, because people like you really piss me off and I dont want to say something bad. 

  People such as yourself who ceaselessly, endlessly, unremittingly, whine about others who piss them off are far more likely to drive away customers than one who offers valid customer feedback and even opens with the declarative statement "it looks good and is a great boost to a good game. And I have bought many Matrix games over the years".

    I would tell you to shut the hell up and spend some time studying English grammar, military history, social etiquette or any of the myriad topics upon which you continually demonstrate your lack of familiarity but I don't want to say something bad.

Panzerjaeger is not a whinger, my friend. It is often better to hold your tongue, but WITP is the best value for money game I have ever owned and I can see why he would be pissed off. I can also see that the initial outlay is very important if you have to chose what you spend your hard earned cash on. I am really looking forward to this game and Eagle Day to Bombing the Reich. I can't see me having much time to play anything else for years to come...

[TOMLABEL]

I'd like to express my appreciation for the opportunity as well. It's been a lot of fun (at least from my perspective) to work on and to be involved with such a great team. It's also been great to see all the excitement and support the announcement has generated.

TOMLABEL

ORIGINAL: Big B

I can't speak for every member of this great team that was put together, but I would like to personally thank Joe, Don and JWE for roping me into this a number of months ago...thanks for the opportunity.

[histgamer]

I must say that I will buy this and as far as WITP 2. I cannot forsee it happening anytime soon. The AE upgrade is sounding almost like a new game. I cannot picture WITP 2 being much better if its released anytime within the next 4 years. Plus I would much rather see a WIR before WITP2 this AE would be a great finish to WITP... though i dont want it to be the end. That said i have no clue if WIR and WITP have the same people who work on it or not.

[TSCofield]

I will buy it first day. 
 
Bank that.
 
 

[Jutland13]

We all have to make our own choices and live with real life budgets. That said, I will work this into mine. This is the the only game I have been involved in for two years and the chance to basically play WITP II (New map,diff hex ize, new forces, waypoints, new aircraft, new air system etc) This is basically WITP II! I am anxious and will pay for a better version of the best game yet released.

[Max 86]

Cost shouldn't be an issue.  I should be able to afford AE now and WitP2 5 years from now. So I'll save $5 a month for 5 years and I should have enough for WitP2 AND buy AE in '08.[:D]

[histgamer]

I think ill just take out another college loan and get the game. [:D]

[ChezDaJez]

ORIGINAL: flanyboy

I must say that I will buy this and as far as WITP 2. I cannot forsee it happening anytime soon. The AE upgrade is sounding almost like a new game. I cannot picture WITP 2 being much better if its released anytime within the next 4 years. Plus I would much rather see a WIR before WITP2 this AE would be a great finish to WITP... though i dont want it to be the end. That said i have no clue if WIR and WITP have the same people who work on it or not.

It might as well be because a lot of the strategies players used in the past are going to have to be altered plus there will be a substantial learning curve to take advantage of all the new features.

And I too would like to thank those team members who invited me to join the team. I haven't had a moment's rest since I first downloaded it. My wife (funny but I can't seem to remember her name now) thinks I'm nuts playing turn after turn with a ton of books and other Pacific war paraphanalia scattered about my desk.

Chez

[kaleun]

ORIGINAL: SimHq Tom Cofield

I will buy it first day. 

Bank that.

Ditto

[AU Tiger_MatrixForum]

ORIGINAL: flanyboy

I think ill just take out another college loan and get the game. [:D]

[:D]
One of those bought WitP for me, but thankfully that is one thing that no longer concerns me. I am more worried about paying off those &%^$*# loans now.

[:(]

[Williamb]

I think many are missing the point of my post.

I didnt say I have completely closed the option of buying this. But I think its fair game to ask why we aren't getting WITP 2 and instead we are getting WITP GRAND PATCH.

Matrix has been slightly guilty of making only minor changes to games and then recycling them. Even WITP is a remake of another game.

The changes in the Admiral's edition are nice but since I already have WITP do I really want to spend $100 dollars to get WITP even with a few changes ?

Id honestly want Matrix to spend the time making WITP 2 than just revamping the old game. If it took 2 years and Matrix wanted to charge me $150 dollars for WITP 2 Id more than likely buy it. They would have far more sales and far more money if they were innovative and daring rather than just tweaking this game.

Im not knocking the developers for wanting to make the game better. In fact Matrix gets a lot of credit from me for working on games to make them better.

But there comes a limit where simply slaping changes to a game reaches a point of no return. And I think WITP is fast reaching that point.

I say these things as a fan of this game. Its a great game and as always can be better. But I think I can honestly state that rather than a grand fix a new version of this game is the better way to go. I have bought many Matrix games but lately I havent seen anything that makes me want to spend the time and money on it coming out of this company.

I will keep being hopefull.. Matrix has a great track record but sometimes I get the impression that they are locked into a mindset that tweaking old games is good enough to keep getting money. Its not about cranking out the most games its about making good games that keep being interesting.

And as point for Lt Horlund I liked this game so much I bought WPO as well and enjoy it a great deal. Why ? Because it made changes to the game that made it play as a different game. And that was good enough for matrix to get my money

[Fred98]

I have had no interest in wargaming od naval warfare but I loved Uncommon Valour!
 
I have WiTP but feel it is too massive to play.
 
The change in the scale and the addition of way points has caught my eye. If the turn length is set to 7 days its still a 200 turn PBEM game - perhaps there might be an opponent waiting?
 
 

[Bliztk]

ORIGINAL: kaleun

ORIGINAL: SimHq Tom Cofield

I will buy it first day.

Bank that.

Ditto

+1

[Terminus]

ORIGINAL: Joe 98

I have had no interest in wargaming od naval warfare but I loved Uncommon Valour!

I have WiTP but feel it is too massive to play.

The change in the scale and the addition of way points has caught my eye. If the turn length is set to 7 days its still a 200 turn PBEM game - perhaps there might be an opponent waiting?

That 7-day turn reference was a typo; max turn length is 3 days. So it's a 400+ turn game...[;)]