When will this game be released?

[jomni]

How many scenarios will this have?
And will we have a scenario builder?

[andym]

Oooooo i cant wait for this to come out!!!

[gre81]

I found someplace today that listed the scenerios. Will see if I can locate again.

[Punisher]

You can see some of the scenarios in the screen shots here: http://www.matrixgames.com/newsletter/june2008.html#QA

ORIGINAL: gre81

I found someplace today that listed the scenerios. Will see if I can locate again.

[Vilhjalmr]

I had been holding my breath, hoping for an HoS demo to be released at Origins. However, it looks like the next big date on the horizon is the GenCon conference scheduled for August 14-17. Any hints, rumors, or otherwise to further whet our appetites? [:)]

[sjd0309]

ORIGINAL: Vilhjalmr

I had been holding my breath, hoping for an HoS demo to be released at Origins. However, it looks like the next big date on the horizon is the GenCon conference scheduled for August 14-17. Any hints, rumors, or otherwise to further whet our appetites? [:)]

On the Consim Forums Lock N Load Consim Forum Mark has mentioned the development of this game but he is very busy with his board game releases at the moment.

Mark has stated that development is continuing and he will probably NOT release a demo of this game for public consumption. He doesn't seem to believe in demos as a selling/promotional tool.

I don't necessarily agree with this strategy but I'm sure Matrix will keep us updated on the progress of this game as the series it is based on has a pretty good following and I think many will pick up the Matrix release when it is ready...

SJD

[Joram]

That's common in the wargame industry unfortunately.  And unfortunately I think shortsighted. 

[chucknra]

If Mark said there would probably not be a demo then he needs to change his website because it says "Mark H. Walker's Lock 'n Load: Heroes of Stalingrad for Windows PC will soon be available for pre-order. Keep checking back for the demo. Out soon!"

[himmelstoss]

ORIGINAL: chucknra

If Mark said there would probably not be a demo then he needs to change his website because it says "Mark H. Walker's Lock 'n Load: Heroes of Stalingrad for Windows PC will soon be available for pre-order. Keep checking back for the demo. Out soon!"

LOL,...but noooo...he soooo biiiicyyy! can not give little silly customers little bit of looove...just soooo biiiizyyy..poor poor poopy mark! [:D][;)]

[Hertston]

ORIGINAL: Joram

That's common in the wargame industry unfortunately.  And unfortunately I think shortsighted. 

It's common because many take the view demos of such games, regardless of how good they are, just don't gain any sales overall - or at least enough of them to justify the time in making one. Any wargamers swayed the right way are likely to be outnumbered by newcomers put off by "this SUCKS" posts scattered about from kiddies trying the demo and expecting an RTS game and/or something to put their top-end GPUs to work. The other reason is, in all honesty, how many people ever put the time in to really understand, say, a complex TBS game in a demo, as in reading a 150 page manual? Demos only ever give a surface impression... and all of what really counts in this case is 'under the hood'.

[Veldor]

ORIGINAL: Hertston

ORIGINAL: Joram

That's common in the wargame industry unfortunately.  And unfortunately I think shortsighted. 

It's common because many take the view demos of such games, regardless of how good they are, just don't gain any sales overall - or at least enough of them to justify the time in making one. Any wargamers swayed the right way are likely to be outnumbered by newcomers put off by "this SUCKS" posts scattered about from kiddies trying the demo and expecting an RTS game and/or something to put their top-end GPUs to work. The other reason is, in all honesty, how many people ever put the time in to really understand, say, a complex TBS game in a demo, as in reading a 150 page manual? Demos only ever give a surface impression... and all of what really counts in this case is 'under the hood'.

Yeah but the negative posts work both way. For instance, thats the sole reason I've still not purchased EiA and a few other Matrix Titles. A demo would allow me to judge for myself how accurate the complaints are or are not. Tons of games here get loads of negative posts. If not here than elsewhere. Like any game you have to chuck the "this is the best game ever" fanboi posts as well. And that really doesn't leave much of a middle ground for evaluation.

The worst part is, unlike most any other purchase (Be it board wargame, PC game or even xbox game) if I don't like a Matrix Game.. I'm totally stuck with it.. Be it a $40 game or a $90 one.

I've said it before and I'll say it again... if a demo doesn't increase sales its either a poorly made demo or for a bad game to begin with...

Your 150 page manual reference doesnt work.. Plenty of very complicated games have had very well received demos. It all starts with an intuitive interface, ideally the ability for the game to teach you, and a way to build additional concepts on top of basic ones. Im not going to play any game where I have to read 150 pages right out of the gate. Good games addon rules as you go along. The basics should be enough to get you hooked... Not the nightime starshell rules you finally get to in scenario 97 that are detailed on page 149 of the rules booklet...

And, ironically enough, even the boardgame Lock 'n Load has a free downloadable demo game. How the heck can a board game version get a demo, but not the PC version ?!?!?

[himmelstoss]

ORIGINAL: Veldor

And, ironically enough, even the boardgame Lock 'n Load has a free downloadable demo game. How the heck can a board game version get a demo, but not the PC version ?!?!?

[:D]
well "spoken"! and that the dev(s) are responding so rarely shows clearly that they dont give a rats ass about our opinion. guess they still make too much $ on the stuff they make.

sadly enough will i be one of those morons that still gona buy this game when it comes out probably ending up bitching on the forums about how bad it is and that i again have wasted my $ on this "scheisse". when will i ever learn!![:@]

best,

himmelstoss

[Terminus]

Or maybe they're not responding because they're working on the product, and used to ignoring being denigrated and called stupid names by small people like you?

[himmelstoss]

ORIGINAL: Terminus

.... called stupid names by small people like you?

cant recall calling anybody names. but if you want i can start that by calling you an absolute Brown Nose.[:D]

bet you carry actual 5 stars on your shoulder, so if you can find it in your heart, forgive a small person like me.[&o]


gruss nach denschmark,

himmelstoss [:'(]

[Sarge]

ORIGINAL: Terminus

Or maybe they're not responding because they're working on the product, and used to ignoring being denigrated and called stupid names by small people like you?

Ok………………….we’ll just stop asking then [8|]

[sjd0309]

And, ironically enough, even the boardgame Lock 'n Load has a free downloadable demo game. How the heck can a board game version get a demo, but not the PC version ?!?!?

Heh. That doesn't make much sense does it?

Maybe Mark didn't find that there was much of an increase in sales directly related to his demo for the board game...

Cheers!

[Hertston]

ORIGINAL: sjd0309

Heh. That doesn't make much sense does it?

It makes perfect sense. Compare the time involved in preparing a .pdf or two and preparing a game demo. Going back to my earlier post nobody expects a downloable demo for a board game to play like Supreme Commander, either.