Zizka Rides Again!!! Nemo (J) vs 1EyedJacks(+Advisors)

[Andy Mac]

"1EyedJacks' stated reason for seeking the Soviets being active is that he is afraid I will empty Manchukuo. I have thus given him a guarantee of a 7,000 AV basement below which I won't weaken Manchukuo. That should achieve what he wants without breaching the agreements we've already reached and be fair to both of us. "

Interesting I also made the mistake of not considering the pre game HR's as a negotiation.
 
Having said that an AV basement is a pretty good way of resolving it but 7,000 means you will be able to strip about 6 or 7 Divs out of theatre which is a lot (my recollection may be off). Perhaps a graduated set of floors by date system would be better
 
I am not as familiar with the mod as I was 6 months ago (for obvious reasons)
 
I look forward to reading about your deep strikes !!!

[Andy Mac]

Nm I see you resolved it in the other thread

[Nemo121]

Hi Andy, nice to see you here.

Yeah 1EyedJacks has been really insistent on this so rather than not see the game continue I've pretty much acceded to his demands. I really dislike being forced to re-negotiate things in this way though as I feel once we've agreed on something we should both stick to it.

Anyways, the game looks like it is on but since he has been so unwilling to compromise on this despite the fact that I gave him several reasonable compromises he can expect less moderation in terms of my initial invasions.

Anyway, I'm sure that a few turns into the game this will all settle down and we'll be just fine. I'm retasking units to the Soviet Union. Since most of my bomber forces are already committed to the Philippines and since I only really need to hit subs in Vladivostok etc I have decided that I am simply going to hit Vlad on the cheap. My Nates are useless dogfighters BUT they carry 30Kg bombs. 30 Kg bombs do enough damage to hurt a sub, particularly if I use ALL the Nates in Manchukuo so that's what I'm doing. Throw in a few training Daitai of floatplanes ( 10 to 20 Exp ) and I should be able to do a lot of damage on the cheap. I'll divert and maintain a single Zero daitai in Manchukuo for air superiority reasons.

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[EUBanana]

This should be good.

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[Historiker]

Very interesting to see all the details, thank you!

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[modrow]

ORIGINAL: Nemo121

Well, it looks like after seeing the first turn 1EyedJacks wants to renegotiate things again. I am disappointed in this as I really do believe that you should seek to win wargames through fighting not through negotiating away all the things you find difficult to deal with.

Hey, I thought the insults were supposed to be in the open thread [;)]...

Actually, I was confused by the rule as well and would have asked as well had I noticed (which I probably wouldn't have). I believe it can be read the way you read it relating to paradrops, but actually I still don't get it for subs... see said open thread, where I am going to post in a minute or two.

So please don't be disappointed - I do want to see this game with extremely detailed strategic posts in both closed AARs continue !!! Thanks for the effort. [&o]

Hartwig

[Nemo121]

Its not an insult to say I'm disappointed at these continual renegotiations of House Rules.

As for how it applies to subs. I unilaterally said I wouldn't be doing sub-borne invasions. 1EyedJacks then undertook not to do them either. So, submarine-landed troops aren't an issue.

I would hate to think people would think that I'm trying to insult 1EyedJacks behind a closed AAR. If I thought he was cheating etc I'd say it straight to his face ( and my record on the forum will back this up, I don't mind being unpopular if it means speaking my mind ). However, yes, I dislike when my opponents try to limit valid tactics through making up loads of rules.

The Allies have more than enough advantages throughout the course of the war and GIVEN that I am NOT going to seek a decisive victory in this game ( as I want to play into 44 and 45 and fight off the Allied counter-thrusts to test the mod ) they REALLY don't need to become rules-lawyers in order to seek additional advantages. I'm happy to say all of that to him ( except the bit about not actually seeking a decisive victory as that's strategically important information which would help him predict my actions).

[modrow]

Sorry, I did not mean to say your quote is dishonorable in any way - intended a pun which was probably off the mark.

Hartwig

[Nemo121]

K, we're cool. I just wouldn't want anyone thinking I was saying something behind his back since I KNOW that people would PM him and then it becomes difficult to clear up all these third hand attributions. He tells me he gets a LOT of PM advice - which I'm a little uncomfortable with since how on earth is one meant to know whether PMed advice is using what I'm writing?
 
I am considering halting the AAR for a couple of weeks or asking 1EyedJacks to ask anyone who gives advice to just post it to the thread so no-one can give my plans away under the guise of "stellar advice which just so happens to be perfectly correct".
 
Anyways this is all jumping the gun since I don't even know if the compromises I've offered will be acceptable.

[Nomad]

Just to jump in here, I too would have taken the house rule as a unit could only land at one place per turn. That is the way I read it and understood it. I also hope you guys work this out.

[Nemo121]

17. Sub/para drops only on dot beach/base hexes are allowed provided the entire LCU/air transport unit participates.
 
Well, as I see it that reads as both "Para drops only on base hexes are allowed provied the entire air unit participates"  AND "Para drops only on base hexes are allowed provided the entire LCU participates". It definitely contains what 1EyedJacks holds it to say but it isn't just limited to that IMO. It also covers what I take it to mean. It also allows submarine landings but I unilaterally said I wouldn't use them even if allowed.

Anyways like I said this all depends on 1EyedJacks. If he is ok with the compromise then the game goes on.

[Nomad]

To be as clear as I can Nemo, I would have asked for further clarification on that rule were I in Jacks place. I actually find it a bit confusing. I was only stating how I read it as it stands. I do not really want to take sides as much as give an opinion on how it sounded to me. I am sad to see so much wrangling after the start of the game over house rules.

[Nemo121]

Me too. 1EyedJacks has dropped the game even after I accepted all his requests. Its pathetic !!!!

So, if someone wants to start the game with the current house rules ( I'll even grant them the right to move any Soviet planes but won't accept that the Bns of a Be or Division were incapable of dropping independently ) PLUS the House Rule that once the game starts any renegotiation of House Rules is banned feel free to drop me a line by PM. There's no point posting to this thread though as unless I receive an offer by PM I intend to quit WiTP and not visit the forum or support EA anymore - For anyone wanting it ny59giants and 1EyedJacks etc have the latest version. You can get it off them if you want. I am quite disgusted at the carry-on of the last few days where every compromise I offered was brushed away and then after I spent half of my first week of holidays this entire year making up a good Turn 1 my opponent quits after the first turn. I am extremely annoyed at his failure to accept the multiple compromises I offered.

This carry-on has ruined my first week off this year. [:@] [:@] [:@] [:@]

[Andy Mac]

Ouch I was staying out of this one but I did read it the the way jacks did nemo but on the other hand your interp is more logical.
 
i.e. I read the rule his way but thought it was a tad barmy (A bde for every fleaspeck !!!) next time you do the mod I would set it up with smaller company sized para units as discrete units.
 
p.s. I would pick it up as I owe you at least 1 false start turn 1 but I dont have the time now I do have the PW if you find an alternate opponent to take on turn 1 I wll send it to them