I QUIT!!!!

[borner]

Nice way to twist a historical event!

[Iridium]

What, no Samar replays with, "WTF why didn't my BBs run over those puny DEs and CVEs?!!!" ?

[:D]

[dhuffjr2]

Of note in the real action.  My old neighbors older brother lost his life on the Wasp.  He was a boilerman and was the first man in the Navy from Dayton Ohio to lose his life during WWII.  His mother and my neighbor were there and his mother broke the champagne bottle across the bow of the USS Dayton CL-105 at its launch.  Bud has the bottle shards contained in a net that the bottle is wrapped in prior to striking the vessel as well as some pictures.

[John 3rd]

Magnificent Attack!  Promote that Captain.

I seem to remember the exact SAME result prior to Santa Cruz...

[stuman]

Historically, a BB wasn't also hit was it ? At least I don't remember that.

[Iridium]

ORIGINAL: stuman

Historically, a BB wasn't also hit was it ? At least I don't remember that.

On 15 September, sailing with Wasp and Hornet, North Carolina took a torpedo portside, 20 feet (6 m) below her waterline, and six of her men were killed. This torpedo originated from Japanese submarine I-19, and other torpedoes in the same salvo sank Wasp. Skillful damage control by the crew of the North Carolina and the excellence of her construction prevented disaster; a 5.6 degree list was righted in as many minutes, and she maintained her station in a formation at 26 knots.

[stuman]

Thx, and wow, I did not realize that. I was only aware of the Wasp's fate.

[Iridium]

While escorting a convoy of transports en route to Guadalcanal, joint TFs 17 and 18 were attacked by the Japanese submarines I-15 and I-19 on 15 September 1942. Wasp (CV-7) was sunk; North Carolina (BB-55) and O’Brien were damaged by torpedo attacks.

At 14:52 that afternoon O’Brien sighted smoke coming from Wasp. As a member of Hornet’s (CV-8) ASW screen she made an emergency turn to the right. At about 14:54, while accelerating and swinging right, her lookouts spotted a torpedo two points forward of the port beam 1000 yards (915 m) away. This torpedo missed close astern, but while attention was concentrated on it another “fish” hit the port bow.

The explosion did little local damage, but set up severe structural stresses through the ship. Able to proceed under her own power, the destroyer on 16 September reached Espiritu Santo, where Curtiss made temporary repairs. O’Brien sailed on 21 September for Noumea, New Caledonia, for further repairs by Argonne (AG-31) before proceeding 10 October to San Francisco.

She made Suva on 13 October and sailed once more on 16 October. The rate of leaking continued to increase, and on 18 October it was necessary for O’Brien to proceed to the nearest anchorage. Topside weight was jettisoned and preparations were made for abandoning ship, but it was still thought that the ship could be brought intact to Pago Pago. However at 06:00 on 19 October the bottom suddenly opened up considerably and the forward and after portions of the hull began to work independently. At 06:30 all hands except a salvage crew went over the side; and half an hour later the ship was abandoned entirely. Just before 08:00 she went under, after steaming almost 3,000 miles (5,500 km) since torpedoed. All the crew were saved.

Interesting struggle for the DD as well.

[stuman]

Think about the incredible high those Japanese submariners were probably on after that success. Then apparently they were all dead a little over one year later.

[bradfordkay]

Iridium, that is a great photo. I think that it's the first time I've seen it. 

[Iridium]

ORIGINAL: bradfordkay

Iridium, that is a great photo. I think that it's the first time I've seen it. 

I was kinda surprised by finding it so easily myself. I wonder what vessel the photo was taken from, I assume it was from Hornet. To be on another ship watching all this unfold must have been rather surreal.

[bradfordkay]

It may have been taken from the Carolina. Look at the location of the Wasp, and where the O'Brien is at the apparent moment of torpedo impact. If the torpedoes that hit the Wasp, O'Brien and North Carolina were all from the same spread, then the Showboat can't be far from the photographer...  

[wwengr]

ORIGINAL: dhuffjr2

Of note in the real action.  My old neighbors older brother lost his life on the Wasp.  He was a boilerman and was the first man in the Navy from Dayton Ohio to lose his life during WWII.  His mother and my neighbor were there and his mother broke the champagne bottle across the bow of the USS Dayton CL-105 at its launch.  Bud has the bottle shards contained in a net that the bottle is wrapped in prior to striking the vessel as well as some pictures.

Mrs. H. Rueger?

[Sarconix]

OK, I may be missing something but... is this:

a) A joke by the original poster?
b) The game intentionally recreating an historic event?
c) An incredibly unlikely coincidence?

Also, what was the Japanese submarine naming convention? Was it really just numerical ("I-19") or was that just the American designation for enemy subs?

EDIT: OK, appears to be a joke, given that it was also the same date (just noticed that).

[herwin]

ORIGINAL: Knavey

After careful consideration of all of the @$#%$%^ frustrations I have had with this game...THIS TAKES THE CAKE...NOT JUST THE CAKE...THE PIE, THE COOKIES, THE ICE CREAM SUNDAY, AND EVERY OTHER DESSERT UNDER THE SUN!

Wasp sunk, NC damaged, and the OB sunk also! ONE torpedo salvo...ONE! I can't get my subs to hit 1 ship 1 times, but this IJN crack shot gets 5 hits in one salvo!

I QUIT....MATRIX...FIX YOUR GAME! NO WAY THIS COULD HAVE HAPPENED IN REAL LIFE!!!!!! [:@][:@][:@]


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 09/15/42

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Sub attack at 67,101

Japanese Ships
SS I-19, hits 2


Allied Ships
CV Hornet
CV Wasp, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
BB North Carolina, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
DD O'Brien, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Lansdowne
DD Mustin

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The game underrates the effectiveness of bomb and torpedo hits. Hence it's hard to replicate history (which you're reporting).

[Chris21wen]

I quit too, at least until mid 1943 when the US sub ARE SINKING EVERYTHING, well at least two to three a turn[:D]
 
Before US DDs upgrade their ASW is not very good dispite crew experience, except for the Clemsons that is.  I used these DDs as dedicated ASW units mainly out of Townsville and PH.  The US does other capable ASW ships and you can also use them (PC, MSW, APD).  Combined with strong air ASW and Naval attack/search all operating at 2000 ft it was a success.  I did loose three CLemson and had more damaged but operating close to a good base with an AR in it prevented more losses.  How many subs did I sink using this method, not sure but it was some where between 20 -30.  I admit it was against the AI but I did start a PBEM game (thats currently on hold) and was also having good results.

[wild_Willie2]

ORIGINAL: Sarconix

OK, I may be missing something but... is this:

a) A joke by the original poster?
b) The game intentionally recreating an historic event?
c) An incredibly unlikely coincidence?

Also, what was the Japanese submarine naming convention? Was it really just numerical ("I-19") or was that just the American designation for enemy subs?

I will try to explain for you new guys.

Once in a while Knavey posts a thread containing a "modified" combat report that actually reflects something which happend during WWII (usually some extreme result). He always names his posts something like: The game is BROKEN!!, or In REAL live this could NEVER happen!.

I personally think he does this to reflect on the unpredictability of war and to take the mikey out of people that are complaining about the "extreme" results that can somethimes happen during gameplay using the argument that this result could never have happened during the REAL war in the pacific... It's either that, or Knavey is just totally bonkers [;)].......

And yes, the Japanese used numbers to designate subs, as did the Germans...

[Apollo11]

Hi all,

ORIGINAL: wild_Willie2

I will try to explain for you new guys.

Once in a while Knavey posts a thread containing a "modified" combat report that actually reflects something which happend during WWII (usually some extreme result). He always names his posts something like: The game is BROKEN!!, or In REAL live this could NEVER happen!.

I personally think he does this to reflect on the unpredictability of war and to take the mikey out of people that are complaining about the "extreme" results that can somethimes happen during gameplay using the argument that this result could never have happened during the REAL war in the pacific...

And yes, the Japanese used numbers to designate subs, as did the Germans...

Thanks for explaining this to new guys William... this would surely help them not to be afraid of us old hands and our "perculiar" ways... [:D][8D]


Leo "Apollo11"

[wdolson]

ORIGINAL: dhuffjr2

Of note in the real action. My old neighbors older brother lost his life on the Wasp. He was a boilerman and was the first man in the Navy from Dayton Ohio to lose his life during WWII. His mother and my neighbor were there and his mother broke the champagne bottle across the bow of the USS Dayton CL-105 at its launch. Bud has the bottle shards contained in a net that the bottle is wrapped in prior to striking the vessel as well as some pictures.

After the war, my father had a secretary who's brother had been on the Wasp. His duty station was right where the first torpedo hit. He was officially MIA.

Bill

[wdolson]

ORIGINAL: Hornblower

shocking attack.. NAaaaaaaaaaa Never happen... Next thing we'll hear is that in the game someone sank the IJN Taiho with one torp... Shocking..

I did sink the Yamato once with a gaggle of Swordfish. The second wave couldn't find the target, so she went down fast.

Sort of like the Shinano, though in that case the crew wasn't running with watertight integrity so things got out of hand pretty quickly.

Bill