Cruiser On The Rocks

[Knavey]

Ummm...did anyone miss the irony "French Experimental Landing Craft"?  [&:]
 
What is that going to be used for?

[crsutton]

ORIGINAL: TOMLABEL

ORIGINAL: Apollo11

What's the story with this "Experimental blue u/w hull paint"?


Leo "Apollo11"

Measure 82 - Camo against subs! [:D]

Seriously, it's a new silicon based anti-fouling paint that is eco friendly. PORT ROYAL is the test platform for it.
Toxic hull paints have been a problem for years. They have been looking for a replacement for red lead and nothing seems to do the same job without creating the same problems. There has been a move towards two part epoxies. They dry smooth and hard, which does not give the sea critters anything to cling to and, as an added bonus, decreases drag. They are also expense, have bonding and durability issues, require precise application and did I mention, are expense. A lot of the color is just pigment, so the blue might not be the final color; it may show defects better for testing purposes, etc. The Canadian Navy has been using it for several years now, and the French Navy for their experimental landing craft - http://www.meretmarine.com/article.cfm?id=108703

Another area has been with film coatings. Basically, you wrap the hull with a plastic film. It has the same limitations as the epoxies with durability being dominant. However, it does have some advantages. It can be manufactured with micro grooves that decrease drag even more and can contain encapsuled toxins, specific to clinging sea critters, so that it is not as damaging to the environment as coatings that just leach toxins into the water.

TOMLABEL

Don't know how many times I've had "red lead" on my body. Seriously 30 years ago in the merchant marine very little attention was paid to the dangers of lead based paint and asbestos. Probably why I can't seem to remember to return my turns on a regular basis.

Anyone ever try to carry a five gallon bucket filled with red lead? Man, is that stuff heavy....

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: Knavey

Ummm...did anyone miss the irony "French Experimental Landing Craft"?  [&:]

What is that going to be used for?

Have you seen this today?

BRITISH and French nuclear submarines which collided deep under the Atlantic could have sunk or released deadly radioactivity, it emerged last night.

Vanguard is one of Britain’s four V-Class subs forming our Trident nuclear deterrent. Each is armed with 16 ballistic missiles.

She was last night towed into Faslane in Scotland, with dents and scrapes visible on her hull. Triomphant limped to Brest with extensive damage to her sonar dome.

The French sub had damage to it's bow, which indicates that she hit the British sub. "French Experimental Landing Craft"? - you ask. I think the French are getting ready to storm the Chunnel! [:D]

[khyberbill]

The French sub had damage to it's bow, which indicates that she hit the British sub. "French Experimental Landing Craft"? - you ask. I think the French are getting ready to storm the Chunnel!

I was just getting ready to post that article. What hasn't been said is that there is a probability that an American sub was monitoring the other two. Or at least the French one because we would have known the general patrolling area of the British sub. Boomers tend to travel very slow thus the likelihood of serious damage is remote. Heck, we hit St. Croix at 20 knots and I suspect each of these two subs was moving at less than 5 knots.

[Apollo11]

Hi all,

We had discussion about this in "THE THREAD" earlier today as well...


Leo "Apollo11"

[Pistachio]

I hope Mr. Hornblower made it back to his quarterdeck unscathed![;)]

[John 3rd]

Have the French declared war on Great Britain again?

[Mynok]

Again? When was the last time the French declared war on Britain? I'm guessing the American revolution.

[khyberbill]

Again? When was the last time the French declared war on Britain? I'm guessing the American revolution.

Well, there was that little dust up at Waterloo in 1815. Prior to that there was a rather famous battle at Trafalgar. I dont think there has been any conflict since then except on the soccer and rugby fields.

[marky]

ahh the french would just surrender [:D]

[Mynok]

ORIGINAL: khyberbill

Again? When was the last time the French declared war on Britain? I'm guessing the American revolution.

Well, there was that little dust up at Waterloo in 1815. Prior to that there was a rather famous battle at Trafalgar. I dont think there has been any conflict since then except on the soccer and rugby fields.

Um...but all the Napoleonic conflicts between the two were initiated by the British. France initiated plenty of wars in that time period, but none were against the British prior to a British declaration of war. Do point out if I've missed one, but I don't recall any. Britain warred against France because France warred against the continental powers. Britain made the choice to intervene.

[rockmedic109]

The first of the wars started in 1793.  I thought it was started after French fortress at Brest fired upon a British frigate. 

[Fishbed]

ORIGINAL: marky

ahh the french would just surrender [:D]

ahh if you could ever grow up...

The first of the wars started in 1793. I thought it was started after French fortress at Brest fired upon a British frigate.

Im not sure the British were the ones who declared war on France, even though we were already in a quasi state of war before that... France in 1793 tended to be very enthusiastic when it came to declare war upon everybody averywhere.

[witpqs]

Actually there were a number of wars between the two countries going back hundreds of years before that, yes?

[gladiatt]

Well, first, Hasting in 1066: duke of Normandy William won a conquest war against saxon kings (damn, can't remember wich one; Alfred ?)

Then, just took time for second generations to come, and from 1100 there were endless war, rivality, trials, treaty, exchange, successions, between french power and english power...last clash was in Africa, at Fachoda, something like 1888.

The french navy had a real rivality status against english navy...it was even bitter after Mers-El-Kebir....

Edit: even if our two country had hard time, and even if i don't know if personnaly, i must add that i feel ok with my favorite english threader here: Dixie. HYE Dixie [;)][:D]

[Dixie]

ORIGINAL: gladiatt

Well, first, Hasting in 1066: duke of Normandy William won a conquest war against saxon kings (damn, can't remember wich one; Alfred ?)

Then, just took time for second generations to come, and from 1100 there were endless war, rivality, trials, treaty, exchange, successions, between french power and english power...last clash was in Africa, at Fachoda, something like 1888.

The french navy had a real rivality status against english navy...it was even bitter after Mers-El-Kebir....

Edit: even if our two country had hard time, and even if i don't know if personnaly, i must add that i feel ok with my favorite english threader here: Dixie. HYE Dixie [;)][:D]

Le Hello mate [:D] The BAttle of Hastings was King Harold.

During the Napoleonic Wars Britain was, I think, the only nation that remained at war with Frnace for the entire duration since we were protected by the Royal Navy. I'm not sure who declared war on who though.

It's interesting that Mountbatten made a visit to Richelieu when she was part of the Eastern Fleet, the date he went aboard was 3rd July 1945, the fifth anniversary of Mers-El-Kebir...

[gladiatt]

Damn, i just remenbered Harold Godwinson (Alfred was the former King), but Dixie beat me on speed.

Mers-El-Kebir was a so sad story....

[Dixie]

ORIGINAL: witpqs

From today's strategypage.net


http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htsurf/articles/20090215.aspx

Cruiser On The Rocks

February 15, 2009: The USS Port Royal, an American cruiser, ran aground on February 5th, as it returned to its base in Hawaii after the first day of sea trials. The ship slid into a shoal of sand and rock, which was actually construction debris from a nearby air port. The Port Royal had spent the last four months in a shipyard, getting a normal batch of upgrades and maintenance. The 9,600 ton ship has been in service for 15 years, and is the 27th, and last, Ticonderoga class cruiser to be built.

It took four days to get the cruiser off the shoal, which was done by removing about a thousand tons of weight from the ship. It's not been announced how it hit the shoal, which is marked on charts. The Port Royal draws 33 feet of water, and the shoal is 22 feet under water. The captain of the Port Royal was relieved, which is normal for a grounding such as this.

The only damage mentioned is to the propellers (the tips were torn off), and a leak in one of the sonar domes. There was no hull breach. It is also believed that propeller shaft and shaft bearings will probably have to be replaced as well. In the old days before electric drive, her engines might have been screwed as well in this kind of situation. So hooray for electric drive, it saved the navy a lot of money in this case.

So after one day of sea trials, the Port Royal is headed right back to the shipyard and dry dock. There will probably be courts martial for whoever screwed up the navigation that put the ship on a known shoal. Professional mariners don't do that sort of thing in clear weather and calm seas.

I'm not sure how the USN handles this sort of thing, but I believe that in the RN the captain is always responsible for his vessel. This applies with civilian pilots guiding the ship as well. Which is as it should be really, if he's (or she's) in charge of millions of pounds of my tax money I damn well want someone to get in trouble for smashing it up [:D]

[TOMLABEL]

ORIGINAL: Dixie

ORIGINAL: witpqs

From today's strategypage.net


http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htsurf/articles/20090215.aspx

Cruiser On The Rocks

February 15, 2009: The USS Port Royal, an American cruiser, ran aground on February 5th, as it returned to its base in Hawaii after the first day of sea trials. The ship slid into a shoal of sand and rock, which was actually construction debris from a nearby air port. The Port Royal had spent the last four months in a shipyard, getting a normal batch of upgrades and maintenance. The 9,600 ton ship has been in service for 15 years, and is the 27th, and last, Ticonderoga class cruiser to be built.

It took four days to get the cruiser off the shoal, which was done by removing about a thousand tons of weight from the ship. It's not been announced how it hit the shoal, which is marked on charts. The Port Royal draws 33 feet of water, and the shoal is 22 feet under water. The captain of the Port Royal was relieved, which is normal for a grounding such as this.

The only damage mentioned is to the propellers (the tips were torn off), and a leak in one of the sonar domes. There was no hull breach. It is also believed that propeller shaft and shaft bearings will probably have to be replaced as well. In the old days before electric drive, her engines might have been screwed as well in this kind of situation. So hooray for electric drive, it saved the navy a lot of money in this case.

So after one day of sea trials, the Port Royal is headed right back to the shipyard and dry dock. There will probably be courts martial for whoever screwed up the navigation that put the ship on a known shoal. Professional mariners don't do that sort of thing in clear weather and calm seas.

I'm not sure how the USN handles this sort of thing, but I believe that in the RN the captain is always responsible for his vessel. This applies with civilian pilots guiding the ship as well. Which is as it should be really, if he's (or she's) in charge of millions of pounds of my tax money I damn well want someone to get in trouble for smashing it up [:D]

Pretty much the same. I'm sure that the CO, the OD, the JOD and probably the navigator will be flippin burgers soon. [:D]

[rockmedic109]

ORIGINAL: Dixie

ORIGINAL: gladiatt

Well, first, Hasting in 1066: duke of Normandy William won a conquest war against saxon kings (damn, can't remember wich one; Alfred ?)

Then, just took time for second generations to come, and from 1100 there were endless war, rivality, trials, treaty, exchange, successions, between french power and english power...last clash was in Africa, at Fachoda, something like 1888.

The french navy had a real rivality status against english navy...it was even bitter after Mers-El-Kebir....

Edit: even if our two country had hard time, and even if i don't know if personnaly, i must add that i feel ok with my favorite english threader here: Dixie. HYE Dixie [;)][:D]

Le Hello mate [:D] The BAttle of Hastings was King Harold.

During the Napoleonic Wars Britain was, I think, the only nation that remained at war with Frnace for the entire duration since we were protected by the Royal Navy. I'm not sure who declared war on who though.

It's interesting that Mountbatten made a visit to Richelieu when she was part of the Eastern Fleet, the date he went aboard was 3rd July 1945, the fifth anniversary of Mers-El-Kebir...

I believe the British and the French signed a peace treaty in 1803 that neither thought would last long enough for the ink to dry. My memory wants to say Peace treaty of Amiens, but I am not certain.