Partisans

[Orm]

ORIGINAL: Froonp

ORIGINAL: Orm

ORIGINAL: Froonp

Also, India's Partisan number is 6, not 3.

The other partisan numbers in this screenshot are OK.

Manchuria (3) is not present, but maybe this is because it is not included in a Guadalcanal scenario ?

Has the partisan numbers in the pacific been increased?

On my map India has a 2, China 10, Malaya 1 and so on. I notice that Poland and Netherlands is the same as on my maps.

You describe the 1996 maps.
The 2000 & 2004 maps are updated.
List of changes here : http://pagesperso-orange.fr/froon/WiF/WiFFEMaps.txt

Thank you.

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: Froonp

Also, India's Partisan number is 6, not 3.

The other partisan numbers in this screenshot are OK.

Manchuria (3) is not present, but maybe this is because it is not included in a Guadalcanal scenario ?

Patrice,

Would you check the data files for the partisan numbers? That is where that information is defined (it might be from the 2000 maps).

Thanks.

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: Froonp

ORIGINAL: sajbalk

It looks like the global war scenario from the information shown. Perhaps Manchuria is not coded as a "red" country?

Sure, this is global war. Maybe Manchuria here has no chances of PART appearing ? The form shows that it only shows country where Partisans can appear.

Yes.

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets
Patrice,

Would you check the data files for the partisan numbers? That is where that information is defined (it might be from the 2000 maps).

Thanks.

OK, I did not know what to do tonight.

About the date of the map, the 2000 & the 2004 are nearly the same. They are 100% the same as to PART numbers.

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

ORIGINAL: sajbalk

RAW 13.1 "If an unconquered country was neutral at any time during the calendar year, halve its partisan value."

However, Japan and China are considered active at game start. Thus the partisan value should not be halved in 1939 for China, Manchuria, or Korea.

I'll check the code to see if it is 'preloaded' correctly.

Well, there is no data for which countries were at war in the year preceding the start of each scenario.[:@]

That is easily enough to add - if I had that information for each of the 252 'countries' for each of the 11 scenarios.[:(]

Does anyone have a timeline for when each country entered the war?[&:]

[sajbalk]

The year when each country entered is only important if the country is unconquered when rolling for partisans.

However, if you send a list, I will send the dates.

By memory, only China and Russia are unconquered and at war for scenario starts.

[Orm]

ORIGINAL: sajbalk

The year when each country entered is only important if the country is unconquered when rolling for partisans.

That is not correct.

Cut from
13.1 Partisans (option 46)
If the country was neutral at any time in the calendar year, halve its partisan number.

[Orm]

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

Well, there is no data for which countries were at war in the year preceding the start of each scenario.[:@]

That is easily enough to add - if I had that information for each of the 252 'countries' for each of the 11 scenarios.[:(]

Does anyone have a timeline for when each country entered the war?[&:]

I found the dates for when the allied countries entered the war. Beware of the countries fighting on the Axis side before joining the Allies. Like Iraq and Iran that was invaded in 1941.

From http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/ent ... ld_War_II)
Following the German invasion of Poland
Poland: September 1, 1939
United Kingdom: September 3, 1939
France: September 3, 1939
Australia: September 3, 1939
New Zealand: September 3, 1939
Nepal: September 4, 1939
Newfoundland: September 4, 1939
Tonga: September 4, 1939
South Africa: September 6, 1939
Canada: September 10, 1939

After the end of the Phony War
Denmark: April 9, 1940
Norway: April 9, 1940
Belgium: May 10, 1940
Luxembourg: May 10, 1940
Netherlands: May 10, 1940
Malta: June 10, 1940
Free France: June 18, 1940
Greece: October 28, 1940
Kingdom of Yugoslavia: April 6, 1941
Soviet Union: June 22, 1941
Tannu Tuva: June 25, 1941

After the attack on Pearl Harbor
Panama: December 7, 1941
Philippines: December 7, 1941
Costa Rica: December 8, 1941
Dominican Republic: December 8, 1941
El Salvador: December 8, 1941
Haiti: December 8, 1941
Honduras: December 8, 1941
Nicaragua: December 8, 1941
United States: December 8, 1941
Republic of China: December 9, 1941
Guatemala: December 9, 1941
Cuba: December 9, 1941
Provisional Government of the Republic of Korea (government in exile): December 9, 1941
Czechoslovakia (government in exile): December 16, 1941
Mexico: May 22, 1942
Brazil: August 22, 1942
Ethiopia: December 14, 1942
Iraq: January 17, 1943
Bolivia: April 7, 1943
Iran: September 9, 1943
Italy: October 13, 1943 (formerly a member of the Axis)
Colombia: November 26, 1943
Liberia: January 27, 1944

After D-Day
Romania: August 25, 1944, (formerly a member of the Axis)
Bulgaria: September 8, 1944, (formerly a member of the Axis)
San Marino: September 21, 1944
Albania: October 26, 1944
Hungary: January 20, 1945, (formerly a member of the Axis)
Bahawalpur: February 2, 1945
Ecuador: February 2, 1945
Paraguay: February 7, 1945
Peru: February 12, 1945
Uruguay: February 15, 1945
Venezuela: February 15, 1945
Turkey: February 23, 1945
Lebanon: February 27, 1945
Saudi Arabia: March 1945
Argentina: March 27, 1945
Chile: April 11, 1945
People's Republic of Mongolia: August 9, 1945

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: sajbalk

The year when each country entered is only important if the country is unconquered when rolling for partisans.

However, if you send a list, I will send the dates.

By memory, only China and Russia are unconquered and at war for scenario starts.

Welcome to my world.[:D]

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: Orm

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

Well, there is no data for which countries were at war in the year preceding the start of each scenario.[:@]

That is easily enough to add - if I had that information for each of the 252 'countries' for each of the 11 scenarios.[:(]

Does anyone have a timeline for when each country entered the war?[&:]

I found the dates for when the allied countries entered the war. Beware of the countries fighting on the Axis side before joining the Allies. Like Iraq and Iran that was invaded in 1941.

From http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/ent ... ld_War_II)
Following the German invasion of Poland
Poland: September 1, 1939
United Kingdom: September 3, 1939
France: September 3, 1939
Australia: September 3, 1939
New Zealand: September 3, 1939
Nepal: September 4, 1939
Newfoundland: September 4, 1939
Tonga: September 4, 1939
South Africa: September 6, 1939
Canada: September 10, 1939

After the end of the Phony War
Denmark: April 9, 1940
Norway: April 9, 1940
Belgium: May 10, 1940
Luxembourg: May 10, 1940
Netherlands: May 10, 1940
Malta: June 10, 1940
Free France: June 18, 1940
Greece: October 28, 1940
Kingdom of Yugoslavia: April 6, 1941
Soviet Union: June 22, 1941
Tannu Tuva: June 25, 1941

After the attack on Pearl Harbor
Panama: December 7, 1941
Philippines: December 7, 1941
Costa Rica: December 8, 1941
Dominican Republic: December 8, 1941
El Salvador: December 8, 1941
Haiti: December 8, 1941
Honduras: December 8, 1941
Nicaragua: December 8, 1941
United States: December 8, 1941
Republic of China: December 9, 1941
Guatemala: December 9, 1941
Cuba: December 9, 1941
Provisional Government of the Republic of Korea (government in exile): December 9, 1941
Czechoslovakia (government in exile): December 16, 1941
Mexico: May 22, 1942
Brazil: August 22, 1942
Ethiopia: December 14, 1942
Iraq: January 17, 1943
Bolivia: April 7, 1943
Iran: September 9, 1943
Italy: October 13, 1943 (formerly a member of the Axis)
Colombia: November 26, 1943
Liberia: January 27, 1944

After D-Day
Romania: August 25, 1944, (formerly a member of the Axis)
Bulgaria: September 8, 1944, (formerly a member of the Axis)
San Marino: September 21, 1944
Albania: October 26, 1944
Hungary: January 20, 1945, (formerly a member of the Axis)
Bahawalpur: February 2, 1945
Ecuador: February 2, 1945
Paraguay: February 7, 1945
Peru: February 12, 1945
Uruguay: February 15, 1945
Venezuela: February 15, 1945
Turkey: February 23, 1945
Lebanon: February 27, 1945
Saudi Arabia: March 1945
Argentina: March 27, 1945
Chile: April 11, 1945
People's Republic of Mongolia: August 9, 1945

Thanks.

I guess the easiest way to do this is to add a field to the country data for the date that the country entered the war. Then I can use the scenario start date to work out whether they have been at war since the beginning of the scenario start date's calendar year.

Finally, we don't have to worry about those countries on the list that have a partisan number of 0 in the existing country data files.

[sajbalk]

Are you sure about the language, Orm?

My rules say, "If an unconquered country was neutral at any time in the calendar year, halve its partisan number." This is from 13.1 Partisans (option 46), 6th para, last sentence.

[sajbalk]

From the list of allied countries, I would note that for WiFFE purposes:

1. Albania starts as an Italian minor and is given the same active date as its controlling major power.
2. Ethiopia is a conquered country at start.
3. Iraq is conquered, I think by the allies before it DOWed the Axis.
4. Same for Persia.

[Orm]

ORIGINAL: sajbalk

Are you sure about the language, Orm?

My rules say, "If an unconquered country was neutral at any time in the calendar year, halve its partisan number." This is from 13.1 Partisans (option 46), 6th para, last sentence.

You are correct and I was mistaken.

The rule apparently changed with the latest rulebook. I tend to prefer to use the rulebook in pdf-format and I forgot that I do not have the latest rulebook in pdf so I looke the rule up in a obsolete version of the rules. I am sorry about that.

Does anyone know if I can find the latest version of the rules in pdf format somewhere?

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: Orm

ORIGINAL: sajbalk

Are you sure about the language, Orm?

My rules say, "If an unconquered country was neutral at any time in the calendar year, halve its partisan number." This is from 13.1 Partisans (option 46), 6th para, last sentence.

You are correct and I was mistaken.

The rule apparently changed with the latest rulebook. I tend to prefer to use the rulebook in pdf-format and I forgot that I do not have the latest rulebook in pdf so I looke the rule up in a obsolete version of the rules. I am sorry about that.

Does anyone know if I can find the latest version of the rules in pdf format somewhere?

Word format (good enough) at ADG's.
http://www.a-d-g.com.au/download/WiF-RaW-7-aug-04.doc

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets
I guess the easiest way to do this is to add a field to the country data for the date that the country entered the war. Then I can use the scenario start date to work out whether they have been at war since the beginning of the scenario start date's calendar year.

Finally, we don't have to worry about those countries on the list that have a partisan number of 0 in the existing country data files.

Here are the countries that MWiF can have Partisans, and who controls it in case it is not independent :

Argentina
Australia
Belgium
Bolivia
Brazil
British Guyana Commonwealth
British Honduras Commonwealth
Bulgaria
Burma Commonwealth
Canada
Chile
China
Colombia
Costa Rica
Cuba
Dominican Republic
Dutch Guyana Netherlands
Ecuador
El Salvador
Finland
France
French Guyana France
French Indo-China France
Greece
Guatemala
Haiti
Honduras
Hungary
India
Iraq
Ireland
Italy
Japan
Korea Japan
Malaya Commonwealth
Manchuria Japan
Mexico
Netherlands East Indies Netherlands
Netherlands
Nicaragua
Norway
Panama
Paraguay
Persia
Peru
Philippines United States
Poland
Rumania
Saudi Arabia
Siam
Siberia USSR
South Africa
Spain
Sweden
Turkey
Ukraine USSR
United Kingdom
Uruguay
United States
USSR
Venezuela
Yugoslavia

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: Froonp

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets
I guess the easiest way to do this is to add a field to the country data for the date that the country entered the war. Then I can use the scenario start date to work out whether they have been at war since the beginning of the scenario start date's calendar year.

Finally, we don't have to worry about those countries on the list that have a partisan number of 0 in the existing country data files.

Here are the countries that MWiF can have Partisans, and who controls it in case it is not independent :

Argentina
Australia
Belgium
Bolivia
Brazil
British Guyana Commonwealth
British Honduras Commonwealth
Bulgaria
Burma Commonwealth
Canada
Chile
China
Colombia
Costa Rica
Cuba
Dominican Republic
Dutch Guyana Netherlands
Ecuador
El Salvador
Finland
France
French Guyana France
French Indo-China France
Greece
Guatemala
Haiti
Honduras
Hungary
India
Iraq
Ireland
Italy
Japan
Korea Japan
Malaya Commonwealth
Manchuria Japan
Mexico
Netherlands East Indies Netherlands
Netherlands
Nicaragua
Norway
Panama
Paraguay
Persia
Peru
Philippines United States
Poland
Rumania
Saudi Arabia
Siam
Siberia USSR
South Africa
Spain
Sweden
Turkey
Ukraine USSR
United Kingdom
Uruguay
United States
USSR
Venezuela
Yugoslavia

Thanks.

Then the task is to provide an historical entry date into the war for each of these countries.

[mlees]

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets


Thanks.

Then the task is to provide an historical entry date into the war for each of these countries.

I'll bite. Info obtained from Wikipedia only:

Argentina - 27 March 1945 (DOW on Axis)

Australia - 3 September 1939 (DOW on Germany)

Belgium - 10 May 1940 (German DOW on Belgium)

Bolivia - 7 April 1943 (DOW on germany)

Brazil - 22 August 1942 (DOW on Germany & Itlay)

British Guyana Commonwealth - Remained colony of Great Britain until 1966

British Honduras Commonwealth - 8 December 1941 (DoW on Japan), 13 December 1941 (DOW on Germany)

Bulgaria - 13 December 1941 (official DOW on UK & US)

Burma Commonwealth - Remained colony of Great Britain until 1948

Canada - 10 September 1939 (DOW on Germany)

Chile - 1945 (DOW on Japan)

China - 7 July 1937 (Marco polo bridge incident, leading to IJA invasion by end of month)

Colombia - 26 November 1943 ("Status of Belligerency" on Germany)

Costa Rica - 8 December 1941 (DOW on Japan, with DOW on Germany & Italy a "few days later")

Cuba - 8 December 1941 (DOW on Japan), 11 December 1941 (DOW on Germany & Italy)

Dominican Republic - December 1941 (DOW on Axis)

Dutch Guyana Netherlands - Remained Colony of Netherlands until 1954 (limited self gov), fully independent 1975.

Ecuador - 1 February, 1945 (DOW on Germany)

El Salvador - 8 December 1941 (DOW on Japan), 12 December 1941 (DOW on Germany)

Finland - eh... Winter War vs USSR (USSR attacks Nov 1939), Continuation War 25 June 1941 (DOW on USSR), Allied member 15 Sep 1944

France - 3 September 1939

French Guyana - Colony of France

French Indo-China France - Colony of France, gained independence 1954

Greece - 28 October 1940 (Italian DOW on Greece)

Guatemala - 9 December 1941 (DOW on Japan), 12 December 1941 (DOW on Germany & Itlay)

Haiti - 8 December 1941 (DOW on Japan, with DOW on Germany & Italy a "few days later")

Honduras - 8 December 1941 (DOW on Japan), 13 December 1941 (DOW on Germany & Italy)

Hungary - June 1941 (DOW on USSR)

India - Colony of Great Britain, gained independence in 1947

Iraq - Officialy nuetral until DOW on the axis in 1942, although occupied by Allied troops in 1941.

Ireland - Although officially a member of the Commonwealth, Ireleand remained Nuetral.

Italy - 10 June 1940 (DOW on France & UK)

Japan - 7 July 1937 (limited war w/China), 7 December 1941 (DOW on US & UK)

Korea Japan - Colony of Japan until 1945 (surrender of Japan)

Malaya Commonwealth - Colony of Great Britain until 1946

Manchuria Japan - Effectively a colony of Japan until 1945. (Head of army was also the Japanese ambassador.)

Mexico - 22 May 1942 (DOW on Axis)

Netherlands East Indies Netherlands - Colony of Netherlands until gaining independence in 1949

Netherlands - 10 May 1940 (German DOW on Netherlands)

Nicaragua - 8 December 1941 (DOW on Japan), 11 December 1941 (DOW on Germany)

Norway - 9 April 1949 (German DOW on Norway)

Panama - (Non canal zone) No mention of involvment in WW2 in Wikipedia.

Paraguay - 8 February, 1945 (DOW on Germany)

Persia - (Iran) Occupied by UK & USSR troops in August of 1941, DOW on Germany in September of 1943.

Peru - 12 February, 1945 (DOW on Germany)

Philippines United States - effectively a colony of the US until 1946

Poland - 1 September 1939 (German DOW on Poland)

Rumania - 22 June 1941 (DOW on USSR)

Saudi Arabia - 28 February 1945 (DOW on Germany & Japan)

Siam - 25 January 1942 (DOW on US & UK)

Siberia USSR - Part of USSR home country

South Africa - 6 September 1939 (DOW on Germany)

Spain - Remained officially Neutral

Sweden - Remained officially Neutral

Turkey - 25 February, 1945 (DOW on Germnay)

Ukraine USSR - Part of the USSR home country

United Kingdom - 3 September 1939 (DOW on Germany)

Uruguay - 15 February 1945 (DOW on Germany)

United States - 7 December 1941 (Japanese DOW on US), 11 December 1941 (German & Italian DOW on US)

USSR - Polish Partition (17 September 1939), Winter War (Vs. Finland Nov 1939), Occupies Baltic States (Aug 1940), 22 June 1941 (German DOW on USSR), 8 August 1945 (DOW on Japan)

Venezuela - 1945 (DOW on Axis)

Yugoslavia - 6 April 1941 (German & Italian DOW on Yugoslavia)

I apologise for any mistakes that may be found here.

[mlees]

I was curious why a neutral sweden got a Partisan number, and Switzerland did not. Would there be a point to advocating a Partisan presence possibility for the Swiss?

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: mlees

I was curious why a neutral sweden got a Partisan number, and Switzerland did not. Would there be a point to advocating a Partisan presence possibility for the Swiss?

MWiF have a partisan number for Switzerland, but there is a 0% chance of Switzerland being picked for Partisan activity.
This said, if there were PART in Switzerland, they would be rather pointless, as there is no resource nor red factory, nor crutial railway to block with a PART, and with just 1 unit in the country no PART could appear (no room, nearly).

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: mlees

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets


Thanks.

Then the task is to provide an historical entry date into the war for each of these countries.

I'll bite. Info obtained from Wikipedia only:

Argentina - 27 March 1945 (DOW on Axis)

Australia - 3 September 1939 (DOW on Germany)

Belgium - 10 May 1940 (German DOW on Belgium)

Bolivia - 7 April 1943 (DOW on germany)

Brazil - 22 August 1942 (DOW on Germany & Itlay)

British Guyana Commonwealth - Remained colony of Great Britain until 1966

British Honduras Commonwealth - 8 December 1941 (DoW on Japan), 13 December 1941 (DOW on Germany)

Bulgaria - 13 December 1941 (official DOW on UK & US)

Burma Commonwealth - Remained colony of Great Britain until 1948

Canada - 10 September 1939 (DOW on Germany)

Chile - 1945 (DOW on Japan)

China - 7 July 1937 (Marco polo bridge incident, leading to IJA invasion by end of month)

Colombia - 26 November 1943 ("Status of Belligerency" on Germany)

Costa Rica - 8 December 1941 (DOW on Japan, with DOW on Germany & Italy a "few days later")

Cuba - 8 December 1941 (DOW on Japan), 11 December 1941 (DOW on Germany & Italy)

Dominican Republic - December 1941 (DOW on Axis)

Dutch Guyana Netherlands - Remained Colony of Netherlands until 1954 (limited self gov), fully independent 1975.

Ecuador - 1 February, 1945 (DOW on Germany)

El Salvador - 8 December 1941 (DOW on Japan), 12 December 1941 (DOW on Germany)

Finland - eh... Winter War vs USSR (USSR attacks Nov 1939), Continuation War 25 June 1941 (DOW on USSR), Allied member 15 Sep 1944

France - 3 September 1939

French Guyana - Colony of France

French Indo-China France - Colony of France, gained independence 1954

Greece - 28 October 1940 (Italian DOW on Greece)

Guatemala - 9 December 1941 (DOW on Japan), 12 December 1941 (DOW on Germany & Itlay)

Haiti - 8 December 1941 (DOW on Japan, with DOW on Germany & Italy a "few days later")

Honduras - 8 December 1941 (DOW on Japan), 13 December 1941 (DOW on Germany & Italy)

Hungary - June 1941 (DOW on USSR)

India - Colony of Great Britain, gained independence in 1947

Iraq - Officialy nuetral until DOW on the axis in 1942, although occupied by Allied troops in 1941.

Ireland - Although officially a member of the Commonwealth, Ireleand remained Nuetral.

Italy - 10 June 1940 (DOW on France & UK)

Japan - 7 July 1937 (limited war w/China), 7 December 1941 (DOW on US & UK)

Korea Japan - Colony of Japan until 1945 (surrender of Japan)

Malaya Commonwealth - Colony of Great Britain until 1946

Manchuria Japan - Effectively a colony of Japan until 1945. (Head of army was also the Japanese ambassador.)

Mexico - 22 May 1942 (DOW on Axis)

Netherlands East Indies Netherlands - Colony of Netherlands until gaining independence in 1949

Netherlands - 10 May 1940 (German DOW on Netherlands)

Nicaragua - 8 December 1941 (DOW on Japan), 11 December 1941 (DOW on Germany)

Norway - 9 April 1949 (German DOW on Norway)

Panama - (Non canal zone) No mention of involvment in WW2 in Wikipedia.

Paraguay - 8 February, 1945 (DOW on Germany)

Persia - (Iran) Occupied by UK & USSR troops in August of 1941, DOW on Germany in September of 1943.

Peru - 12 February, 1945 (DOW on Germany)

Philippines United States - effectively a colony of the US until 1946

Poland - 1 September 1939 (German DOW on Poland)

Rumania - 22 June 1941 (DOW on USSR)

Saudi Arabia - 28 February 1945 (DOW on Germany & Japan)

Siam - 25 January 1942 (DOW on US & UK)

Siberia USSR - Part of USSR home country

South Africa - 6 September 1939 (DOW on Germany)

Spain - Remained officially Neutral

Sweden - Remained officially Neutral

Turkey - 25 February, 1945 (DOW on Germnay)

Ukraine USSR - Part of the USSR home country

United Kingdom - 3 September 1939 (DOW on Germany)

Uruguay - 15 February 1945 (DOW on Germany)

United States - 7 December 1941 (Japanese DOW on US), 11 December 1941 (German & Italian DOW on US)

USSR - Polish Partition (17 September 1939), Winter War (Vs. Finland Nov 1939), Occupies Baltic States (Aug 1940), 22 June 1941 (German DOW on USSR), 8 August 1945 (DOW on Japan)

Venezuela - 1945 (DOW on Axis)

Yugoslavia - 6 April 1941 (German & Italian DOW on Yugoslavia)

I apologise for any mistakes that may be found here.

All 62 countries that we need! Excellent. Thank you very much. [&o][&o][&o]

The only part of the date I need is the year to implement the partisan rules. So if you got that right, we're in business.