Naval Supply? Yes? No?

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RE: Naval Supply? Yes? No?

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*Seems when ships are at sea in a storm that they should suffer damage! Can we get this?

I think that sounds like a great idea, would also like to see a chance that a realy severe storm would force a fleet from one sea area to another. From the books I've read this was always a concern with the RN when Britain was at war with France. With a storm in the wrong direction there was a fear that the French fleet would be able to slip the blockade.
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RE: Naval Supply? Yes? No?

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Another very interesting and useful supply quote from page 119 of "The War for All the Oceans"...

"Apart from the anxiety of an unexpected attack, blockade duties were always tedious, and often physically demanding and dangerous.  Added to this was the difficulty of obtaining adequate supplies.  Ships from England were supposed to bring provisions to the blockading fleets, but frequently in winter the weather prevented this or delayed the transfer of supplies once they did arrive. Fresh water could be obtained from places on the nearby coast, but food was not plentiful there, and British seamen ended up travelling as much as 40 miles inland.  In general the Spaniards were happy to allow this, although the French tried to stir up opposition.  As well as food, the blockading ships were running short of other essentials, and Pellew complained to Cornwallis that they were suffering in the wretched weather.:

"As we were not caulked* when commissioned, we have not a dry hammock in the ship, and what is worse, the magazine becomes more damp every day, so that gunpowder filled three days cannot be lifted by the cartrigde; 1600 and odd cartridges have been condemned by survey -- and the regular loss of above 100 weekly.  Every pound of pitch in the ship has been longe since expended, so that our caulkers are at stand: nor are they able to do any more than stop partial leaks.  I shall hope therefore whenever relieved that we may go to a port, when the defects can be made god, otherwise this fine ship will be ruined."

*Caulking was the process of making a ship watertight by filling the gaps between the planks of the hull.  Into these gaps, called seams, was hammered a tangled mass of tarred hemp fibres, made from shredded rope, called oakum.  Over this a waterproof layer of melted pitch or resin was applied.

It is interesting to me that it appears that these fleets basically "foraged" from the lands around them. Does CoG:EE take this into effect?
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RE: Naval Supply? Yes? No?

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It really does seem like a combination of supply from home and supply from the regions which the fleets were adjacent to made long term stays at sea possible.  It seems that these fleets should almost count against the foraging values for neighboring provences.

I would really recommend:
1. Damage (or even losses) for ships caught in storms.
2. Occassional wrecks of ships (randomly occurring, but worse in storm regions).  I have read about far too many grounded, sunk, and ruined ships in "War for All the Oceans" to think this can be discounted.  These ships need to be replaced occassionally.

If point 2 were implemented while also adding march attrition close to historical values for troops (Ericbabe mentioned 15% in another thread!!!), then maybe CoG:EE wouldn't need "mobilization limits" as players would be too busy replacing losses to ever get to 1,000,000 man armies.
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RE: Naval Supply? Yes? No?

Post by dude »

As a frequent player of GB I don't mind your suggestions with one exception...  I’d want to see a separate mobilization limit implemented for ships first.  One of the problems I keep running into with GB was hitting the ML and not being able to build more ships (I should say replace losses), especially when my provinces would keep building units beyond the ML.  If there were separate limits for ships and land forces I think building in rules for naval attrition would be a nice addition.  But without it you run the problem of not being able to replace your 1st/2nd and 3rd raters once you hit the ML.
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