New Star Trek movie

[JamesM]

I am a trekkie and looking forward to film. Hopefully it will be better than the last one. Can not remember if this is an even or odd numbered film, generally the even numbered films were the better films in the franchise.

Also after watching Babylon 5 and reading allot of David Weber I have come to be less fanatic about watching Star Trek. I have found that Star Trek portrayal of the overall human nature annoying.

[Doggie]

My nostalgic TV memories are in the 60's. By the 1980's "stupid" became the latest entertainment fad. Westerns were out, miltary themed shows were out. Hippie cops who wanted to take it to the man were in. Dedicated left leaning doctors were in. Dirtbag lawyers were in. See LA Law. Stephen King was in, and everybody knew businessmen and government agents from "the shop" were the real villians. Soldiers were either neo nazis in league with corporate fascists if they were officers, or a bunch of dumb asses if they were stupid enough to join up as enlisted men.

Science Fiction went from classic Ray Bradbury to idealistic liberal scientists who struggled in vain to save mankind from the evil American military industrial complex.

Star Trek; the Next Generation brainwashed a whole generation. Liberals in space. We had only to reach out and understand the Klingons. The Borg were evil, but they were also victims. Every drone was once a peace loving "citizen of the Universe" until they were assimilated. But there are no homeless on Borg cubes. The drones are happy to serve the collective. The only real villians are the Ferengi, stupid capitalists with bad teeth, like rednecks.
On board Enterprise the best and the brightest are science officers. The lowly enlisted crewmen serve only the interests of the federation, and are happy to change the sheets after Klingon mating rituals for no pay.

Spies don't bother with commies or stinking savages from Arabia anymore. Jack Bauer started out working for a liberal black president, the only honest guy among a sea of crooked Republicans and and whack job Generals. He can torture people because he's a liberal, and liberals are always right. Everything they do is for the betterment of mankind. And in the end, it's always some American businessman who is behind the terrorist plot, the muslims are merely unknowing tools.

And to think there are some people who think Hollywood is full of communists. Why, that's just crazy talk.

[E]

ORIGINAL: Doggie

Star Trek; the Next Generation brainwashed a whole generation. Liberals in space.

I disagree. I think it was just plain blandness in space.

ORIGINAL: Doggie

The only real villians are the Ferengi, stupid capitalists with bad teeth, like rednecks.

Almost every time I go to a store and they give me the total, I ask "You want MONEY for that? What, are you a capitalist?!?!" 75% of the time I get a blank stare. 15% of the time I get some sort of denial ("no, I'm not one of those.") Only 10% of the time do I get "you're darn right I am" or some sort of affirmative answer.

- I've been waiting for "No. I'm a Ferengi." (I think I'll die laughing if I ever get that answer!)

- I loved the one young lady who admitted she didn't know what that was. At least she was honest. Pathetic, but honest!

- The closest I came to an explanation was to ask a followup question the other day... "So, you're working here for free?"

[D.Ilse]

I don't think I'll see it, nor the new Terminator film(which looks more Transformers than Terminator)..too much action(Flash/Bang) and not enough story/acting

Actually the only films I want to see are "UP" the cartoon and the Depp/Bale film about John Dillinger

[JudgeDredd]

So a thread about the latest Star Trek movie manages to get injected with politics?

Nice going Doggie.

I give up! [8|]

[decaro]

ORIGINAL: Doggie

Star Trek; the Next Generation brainwashed a whole generation. Liberals in space. We had only to reach out and understand the Klingons. The Borg were evil, but they were also victims. Every drone was once a peace loving "citizen of the Universe" until they were assimilated. But there are no homeless on Borg cubes. The drones are happy to serve the collective. The only real villians are the Ferengi, stupid capitalists with bad teeth, like rednecks ...

The Ferengi finally got vindicated in the Deep Space 9 series w/Quark, otherwise I totally agree w/your synopsis; the only real actor on NG was Spinner, and Dorn's Klingon character was the most human of all the PC'd Star Fleet automotons on the bridge.

And if I had to hear "tackion particle" techspeak one more time ...

[Hertston]

ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd

So a thread about the latest Star Trek movie manages to get injected with politics?

'Politics', not really, but I must confess having 'Star Trek' morals shoved down your throat every episode (from TNG on, anyway) did start to grind me down.

I'm looking forward to the movie, as I've actually enjoyed all of the movies, but as TV show Star Trek was made obsolete by first Babylon 5 and then the new BSG. I now find TNG and Voyager pretty much unwatchable.

[Erik Rutins]

Doggie,

That post definitely brought politics into a non-political thread. Can you discuss _anything_ without looking at it through a political lens? Cut it out and let the discussion continue on its original subject.

Regards,

- Erik

[leastonh1]

Why can't people enjoy a sci-fi movie without looking for hidden meanings, political statements, allegory, metaphors and other nonsense? It's meant to be entertainment for goodness sake. Switch your brain off, suspend disbelief and just enjoy for the sake of enjoyment. [8D]

[JudgeDredd]

Exactly Jim. Some people are obsessed with hidden messages! It must be a consiparcy! [8|]

[Erik Rutins]

It's not that I don't understand Doggie's points (at least a few of them) but as others noted - it's fiction and it's entertainment. Just enjoy it and stick with the thread topic rather than trying to deconstruct it. I mean, we start with Star Trek and end up with communists and Jack Bauer?? Anyway, moving on...

[Perturabo]

I wonder what would happen if someone would try to deconstruct Warhammer 40000 like this[:D].
A game for 12 year old kiddies[:D].

[leastonh1]

ORIGINAL: Perturabo
I wonder what would happen if someone would try to deconstruct Warhammer 40000 like this[:D].
A game for 12 year old kiddies[:D].

Hey, who you calling 12?! I'm 41 in a couple of weeks!!!! [:'(] Yes, I admit to having the box set of Warhammer 40k and have played a few times. It's great fun for a couple of hours. I got into painting the figures ages ago too, but with nobody to play it against regularly, it sort of fizzled out. Every time I visited a local Games Workshop store, I thought about popping in for one of their evening gaming sessions, but as 99% of the players seem to be 12, I decided I was far too old! Oh well. AD&D is the one I miss most. Sigh...

A film in the Warhammer universe with Star Trek production values would be a pretty good idea. Get someone like Spielberg or J.J. Abrams to direct and I'd go and see it. Then again, it would probably be one of the many films out there with amazing fx, but no plot or script worth talking about. [:D]

[Doggie]

ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

Doggie,

That post definitely brought politics into a non-political thread. Can you discuss _anything_ without looking at it through a political lens? Cut it out and let the discussion continue on its original subject.

Regards,

- Erik

It aint about "politics"; it's about ideaology, and the motivation of the people who created the series. You may remember the episode of Star Trek,; the Next generation in which "Q' first appeared. In a the uniform of a U.S. Marine lieutenant colonel. Nothing political about that.

TNG was all about elitist ideaology. Every episode had self rightous moral tone to it. In the 23rd century, we've abolished capitalism. There's no money. Captain Jean Luc and the rest of officers work only for the betterment of mankind. With their enlightened attitudes, they were the 'best and the brightest". The less capable, the "unenlightened" slaved away in the deutronium mines, serviced the officers on pleasure planet Reisa, or changed the sheets in the inter-galactic emporium in San Francisco, the mecca of inter-dimensional diversity.

If you don't get that galactic socialism was the theme of Star Trek, then you don't get Star Trek. It's a parable of liberal idealogy. Star Trek is all about politics, and any attempt to pretend that it isn't is more elitist ideaology.

[Erik Rutins]

Doggie,

It's besides the point. This thread was not about the philosophy or ideology of Star Trek, it was just about the new Star Trek movie. By trying to turn it into a discussion of ideology and message, you're turning a non-political thread into a political one, which will end up getting locked. Cut it out.

Regards,

- Erik

[leastonh1]

I'm putting this thread on my ignore list.

What started as an interesting discussion about the new movie (which is fiction and entertainment to the rest of us!) has degenerated into something else entirely and has been spoiled and will be locked (quite rightly) before much longer. I don't really understand politics and don't really care about it as naive as that may be! Whether Star Trek is a parable or something very different is really not important to me. I saw and still see it as great TV and movies. Jean Luc Picard has always been a bit of a hero of mine and Scotty made me laugh as a kid. What does that say of me? Who gives a stuff! That they were great characters, is enough for me. It doesn't have to, and shouldn't be anything more than that.

If I want politics, I'll read the news or tune into the House of Commons broadcasts. I certainly don't visit this forum for anything political and agree with JD and Erik.

[Perturabo]

Well, the age stuff is a  big problem for Wh40k, at least for novels. All new novels must be rated 12+, while they used to be 17+.
That's why William King left or rather was kicked out from Black Library. He didn't want to write novels for kiddies.

[henrrygx]

I am also Star Trek fan [:)]

[Kuokkanen]

Some have seen the movie already, something called pre-screening. They say it's better than some TNG era movies, namely Nemesis. Review by Jarmo Puskala (in english)

[Marc von Martial]

ORIGINAL: Doggie

None of you have ever seen a naked girl, right?

No, but I have seen Captain Jean-Luc Picard naked, does that count?