Case White AAR (After action report)

[Joseignacio]

Yes, but only in a combined (or naval) movement, which is not always possible or convenient in Polish first impulse. Not only because you may need to move more than 3 land units but also because if you have been unlucky with the bombings and you want to use the HQ to reorganize the units in Warsaw, then you need a land movement. (in case you dont intern the HQ).

It's interesting to save the div but not as much as (IMO) overrunning the german fleet because there is like a 40% of capturing or sinkinig his ships and every ship lost for the German means 2 to 5 BP plus 20 to 24 months to replace (half the war), not to mention that some ship or convoys could be captured.

[Orm]

ORIGINAL: Joseignacio

Yes, but only in a combined (or naval) movement, which is not always possible or convenient in Polish first impulse. Not only because you may need to move more than 3 land units but also because if you have been unlucky with the bombings and you want to use the HQ to reorganize the units in Warsaw, then you need a land movement. (in case you dont intern the HQ).

It's interesting to save the div but not as much as (IMO) overrunning the german fleet because there is like a 40% of capturing or sinkinig his ships and every ship lost for the German means 2 to 5 BP plus 20 to 24 months to replace (half the war), not to mention that some ship or convoys could be captured.

Overrunning the german fleet just causes it to rebase. Unless, somehow, some German ships has become disorganized.

Cut from:
15. Surprise
Major powers and minor countries are surprised when a major power declares war on them, even if they are already at war with someone else. However, they are not surprised by a major power or minor country they are currently at war with. Furthermore, they are not surprised by land or aircraft units attacking from, or flying over, hexes controlled by a major power or minor country at war with them last impulse.

[Joseignacio]

You made me afraid for a second that we had been paying this wrong all the time . I think it's not like you say. From RAW 11.11.6 :

  
Overrunning naval units[/i]
[font=times]If a land unit from the other side moves into a port containing any of your naval units, they must rebase. Before they do, roll for each face-down or surprised naval unit there. [/font]
If you roll a ‘5’ or higher, you keep control of the unit. If you roll a ‘1’, the enemy major power takes control of it until destroyed (option 46[/b]: partisans destroy naval units instead of taking control).

[Orm]

ORIGINAL: Joseignacio

You made me afraid for a second that we had been paying this wrong all the time . I think it's not like you say. From RAW 11.11.6 :

  
Overrunning naval units[/i]
[font=times]If a land unit from the other side moves into a port containing any of your naval units, they must rebase. Before they do, roll for each face-down or surprised naval unit there. [/font]
If you roll a ‘5’ or higher, you keep control of the unit. If you roll a ‘1’, the enemy major power takes control of it until destroyed (option 46[/b]: partisans destroy naval units instead of taking control).

It says: roll for each face-down or surprised naval unit

Germany is not suprised by Poland nor are their ships face-down

[Joseignacio]

Jeez!!! I don't know how I didn't read that. Of course you are right.

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: Joseignacio

Jeez!!! I don't know how I didn't read that. Of course you are right.

WiF is like that, and you'll say this sentence a thousand time, I promise you [:D]

And worse, you'll have the impression that the rule changed somehow between the time you read it and the time you discover the extra words, and you'll curse the designer. Sometime it will be true, sometime not. You if you't know ask me, I have all versions of the rules and can tell you.

[Joseignacio]

ORIGINAL: Froonp

ORIGINAL: Joseignacio

Jeez!!! I don't know how I didn't read that. Of course you are right.

WiF is like that, and you'll say this sentence a thousand time, I promise you [:D]

And worse, you'll have the impression that the rule changed somehow between the time you read it and the time you discover the extra words, and you'll curse the designer. Sometime it will be true, sometime not. You if you't know ask me, I have all versions of the rules and can tell you.

You can bet I will. By now, after like 20 (shorter or longer) or more games I must have said that about 500 times, so I am on the way... [:D]

[peskpesk]

Case White AAR (After action report)

OKH decided on a land impulse and therefore has Germany only 4 air actions.

As the the German Air Force High Command (OKL)

These are the option available to the OKL and their decisions made regarding that option when planning the first German impulse.

Port attack
To utterly destroy the polish fleet with port attacks on Gdynia and Danzig would have been nice. OKLs decision NO.
• Air activity limitations, can’t waste 1-2 air actions when they are needed else where.
• Mostly no or poor naval air strength units in range of the Polish ports.
• The good naval air strength units (He 115C) is saved for later in the turn, war could erupts with Denmark or the Netherlands or the Western Allies makes a daring raid into the Baltic Sea.
• The price, 1 CA and a CP is quite low.
• Wehrmacht has troops ready to overrun the Polish navy in the ports, a port strike might be an over kill.

Naval air
In order to efficient guard the convoys of the Kriegsmarine the (He 115C) could be deployed to the Baltic Sea. OKLs decision NO.
• Air activity limitations, can’t waste an air action when they are needed else where.
• The gain by protecting 1 CP is low.
• The Western Allies don’t have to make a raid and if the don’t the NAV is just wasting fuel.
• The good naval air strength units (He 115C) is saved for later in the turn, war could erupts with Denmark or the Netherlands or the Western Allies makes a daring raid into the Baltic Sea.

Strategic Bombing
A strategic bombing raid on Lodz or Warsaw could destroy productions pts for the Commonwealth. You need 1 strategic factor and roll 8 ( +1 to die if not intercepted) to destroy a production point. OKLs decision NO.
• Air activity limitations, can’t waste an air action when they are needed else where.
• Commonwealth production multiple is only 0.5.
• Mostly no or poor strategic strength units in range of the Polish factories.
• The good strategic strength unit (HE 111H) is on the western front.

Ground strike
A ground strike bombing raid on Polish units could disrupt them, making them easier to destroy and disable their usefulness for the Commonwealth. You need 1+ land factor and roll equal to the factors to disrupt a unit placed in the clear. OKLs decision YES.
• The positive surprise effect on Ground strikes (roll two times).
• The chance to disrupt and thereby stop a vital reinforcement from reaching Warsaw (Combined with some minor manoeuvring and a successful land attack on Krakow this will leave the polish capital with just one defender!).
• The chance to disrupt the vital Polish HQI.
• The chance to disrupt two units in one attack in Lodz.
• Lodz must be attacked and taken in order to concur Poland.

Plan go all in! 3 bombers to strike Lodz and one to Brest-Litvosk (See the picture).

Carpet bombing
A carpet bombing raid on Polish units could destroy them. You need 7 strategic factors and roll 11 ( +1 to die if not intercepted) to destroy land unit. OKLs decision NO.
• Air activity limitations, can’t waste an air action when they are needed else where.
• Mostly no or poor strategic strength units in range of the Polish factories.
• The good strategic strength unit(HE 111H) is on the western front.
• To many air units needed to make the 7 strategic factors target and the chance of success is to low

Air transport
With the JU 52 I could air transport 1 MTN or 1 INF division (or 1 PARA, if Germany had any). OKLs decision NO.
• Air activity limitations, can’t waste an air action when they are needed else where.
• No need for a air transport
• The plane is saved for later impulses.

Ground support (No activity limitations)
A ground support on land attacks could change to odds and thereby making Polish units easier to destroy. OKLs decision NO.
• OKH has planed to make automatic/high odds attacks the need for ground support should be low.
• The planes might be needed in later impulses.

Rebasing aircraft
Unused planes on the Eastern/Western front could be rebased to the other front. OKLs decision NO.
• Air activity limitations, can’t waste an air action when they are needed else where.
• There are already plans to use the units on their current front.

Air re-supply
A failed land attack might cause more disruptions than the HQs can reorganize. The JU 52 I could reorganize a land unit. OKLs decision NO.
• Air activity limitations, can’t waste an air action when they are needed else where.
• OKH has planed to make automatic/high odds attacks the risk of disruptions should be low.
• The plane is saved for later impulses when bad weather might cause more disruptions.



Situation during axis first impulse and the ongoing German ground strike

[peskpesk]

Case White AAR (After action report)

German Air Force High Command (OKL)

Situation during axis first impulse and the after German ground strikes.


A black Porsche stops outside German Air Force High Command (OKL) and Reichsmarschall Hermann Göring is for the first time of the war summoned to Berlin to answer for the failures.

The ground strike on Brest-litovsk have a little more than 50% success and in Lodz the was 74% success on each target! But only one unit is disorganized, the 5-3 INF in Lodz.

[Orm]

After the poor performance by the German bombers I would immediately start the production of new bomber types. Retire these bombers as soon as possible.

Maybe I would keep the Ju 87B on to see if they can improve their skill. After all, their target was hidden in a deep forrest.

Sacking Göring would be a priority since he is at fault that no bombers are available to match their pilots skill and bravery.

[Tonqeen]

What happens when u retire units? You gain some BP or just that you cant draw them from forcepool again? Aint it better to have them or not have them? Or do they cost something to maintain?

[Orm]

ORIGINAL: Tonqeen

What happens when u retire units? You gain some BP or just that you cant draw them from forcepool again? Aint it better to have them or not have them? Or do they cost something to maintain?

The units costs nothing to maintain for just beeing on the map. Some units, like aircraft, cost oil (if playing with that optional rule) when you use them for a mission.

I was refering to the reserve pool. (See picture)

When you play with pilots (a optional rule most use) you put the aircraft you do not have pilots for in the reserve pool.

A pilot costs 2 build points to train. A aircraft counter costs 2 to 4 build points depending on what type of aircraft it is. To get a new AC on the map you need to build both one pilot and one AC. Or you can remove one of your on map AC to the reserve pool and then get to use that pilot for one of your newly build AC. That way you can save the build point cost for the pilot when you upgrade your airforce.

If one of your AC gets destroyed and the pilot survives (roughly 30-50% chance the pilots survive depending on situation) you can then take one AC from the reserve pool for your surviving pilots to use.


Picture of all the aircraft in the reserve pool at the beginning of Global War. (Picture from another game than the one Peskpesk is doing the AAR on)

[composer99]

Looks good, peskpesk; I assume the thorough, step-by-step documentation is to provide a framework for AIO decision-making.

Oh, and btw, when you misuse precious air activities in a land impulse, you "waste" them. Your "waist" is that thing around your midriff whose expansion you must constantly struggle against. [:D][:'(]

[peskpesk]

ORIGINAL: composer99
...
Oh, and btw, when you misuse precious air activities in a land impulse, you "waste" them. Your "waist" is that thing around your midriff whose expansion you must constantly struggle against. [:D][:'(]

Well, spelling have never been my strong point! [:'(] [:D] Sorry!
But Experts claim that “beer does not cause pot bellies”, The Sun reported. The newspaper said the researchers had found that heavy drinkers do put on weight, but it is spread all over their body. It said that the pot belly, long thought to be associated with drinking, may be due more to genetics.

[Kwik E Mart]

ORIGINAL: peskpesk

Case White AAR (After action report)

German Air Force High Command (OKL)

Situation during axis first impulse and the after German ground strikes.


A black Porsche stops outside German Air Force High Command (OKL) and Reichsmarschall Hermann Göring is for the first time of the war summoned to Berlin to answer for the failures.

The ground strike on Brest-litovsk have a little more than 50% success and in Lodz the was 74% success on each target! But only one unit is disorganized, the 5-3 INF in Lodz.

Great AAR, guys! I seem to remember a discussion on the forum regarding including the necessary successful die roll in the results area...eg, HS 123 needs 2 or less to disorganize Rydz, rolls 10, fails to disorganize Rydz...even if it wasn't discussed, it would be a welcome addition, IMO - if only for newbies or rusty players.

[morgil]

Oops, seems the Polish gambit paid off..for Poland that is.
What will Germany do now, extract heavy punishment on some outlying troops im sure, but will there another shot for Göring during Fall Weiß ?
And moreover, can this lead to a 2 turn war ?
We trust that Rundstedt will do what he was brought in to do. [:)]

[Taxman66]

Thus is (partly) the risk of having such a strong force near Belgium/Nertherlands. Those extras bombers would look awfully nice over hear for Impulse 3.

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: Taxman66

Thus is (partly) the risk of having such a strong force near Belgium/Nertherlands. Those extras bombers would look awfully nice over hear for Impulse 3.

Yes.

In retrospect, one of the major difference between how I would set up the Germans and the way Peter has done so here is that I would have the western front receive the absolute minimum number of units. I would put all my strength into taking Poland, with the hope that after the first impulse, some of the units would be able to immediately start moving back to take out the Netherlands later in the first turn. But if things went badly in Poland, all hands would be present to deliver the coup de grace to Poland.

The exceptions to this would be placing one of the HQs in the west and having units capable of taking out Denmark in impulse 3.

As for air units, the better fighters would be in the west. I would expect to be able to rebase any air units the are not needed in Poland back to the west in time for festivities there.

[peskpesk]

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

ORIGINAL: Taxman66

Thus is (partly) the risk of having such a strong force near Belgium/Nertherlands. Those extras bombers would look awfully nice over hear for Impulse 3.

Yes.

In retrospect, one of the major difference between how I would set up the Germans and the way Peter has done so here is that I would have the western front receive the absolute minimum number of units. I would put all my strength into taking Poland, with the hope that after the first impulse, some of the units would be able to immediately start moving back to take out the Netherlands later in the first turn. But if things went badly in Poland, all hands would be present to deliver the coup de grace to Poland.

The exceptions to this would be placing one of the HQs in the west and having units capable of taking out Denmark in impulse 3.

As for air units, the better fighters would be in the west. I would expect to be able to rebase any air units the are not needed in Poland back to the west in time for festivities there.

Most players have their own favourite way of disposition the German units for a Polish campaign, and all have their strengths and weaknesses.

As I see it roughly, for the Global war scenario has the German player has 4 basic setups strategies, regarding Poland, for land units to choose from.

Land setups strategies
• A German Screen campaign
• A German France First campaign
• A German Normal campaign
• A German Grand campaign

A German France First campaign is when Germany risk that Poland survives for an extra turn or two at the gain of the chance to knock out France early in the war, by going through Belgium in the second/third axis impulse of Sep/Oct 39.

A German Screen campaign is an escalated France First opening, when Germany mostly tries to hold the Polish units at the bay (not conquering Poland until later in the war) and comities everything in a win and lost trust against France.

A German Normal campaign is a historical Polish camping, with just a few extra units on the western front. Germany normally takes Lodz and Warsaw during Impulse 3-5 of Sep/Oct 39. And then rushes back against the Netherlands/Belgium and/or Denmark/Norway. Sometimes
-. normally when HQ is left on the western front to reorganises a few good reserves - the extra units can pull some bonus camping on the west front before the rest of the units arrive

A German grand Campaign is when only a few Screen units are left on the western front against France and Poland is quickly crushed by overwhelming German forces. Germany then normal makes a detour to Balkan(Yugoslavia/Hungary) and/or a 40(39!?) Barbarossa or returns to the west front.

This can be combined with 3 basic setups strategies for the air force units, regarding Poland.
Air setups strategies
• small air force
• normal air force
• large air force

In my AAR the land setup was normal campaign a normal air force setup, but both at the bottom number of units for that strategy.

[Taxman66]

I think the Air force committed to Poland was on the light side, particularly considering the better bombers (sans the Stuka) were over in the west.

I (at least) prefer to play a little more cautiously and have extra bombers available in the later impulse(s). As it stands Germany is now looking at 2 unflipped (i.e. not disorganized) units in Warsaw.