Finland

[Hard Sarge]

I don't see why Finland should have to lose if played well, they didn't lose, they fought the Russians to a standstill and then signed a cease fire, they wouldn't of been able to take back what they had lost, and the Russians with out a major reinforcement wouldn't of won

I don't think they should be able to defeat the Russians, but, by your account, they didn't, they just took some cities

a draw or cease fire is the best result you should hope for ???

[Mike Parker]

The Fins didn't hold to a standstill then sign a ceasefire.  They fought amazingly well until they were exhausted and depleted then signed a ceasefire that the Soviets agreed to because they didn't realize how bad of the Fins were at the time, and saw how many soldiers they had lost.
 
There is every reason to believe had the USSR refused the ceasefire and subsequent treaty they would have collapsed the Finnish army as a fighting force within a couple weeks.  I do not mean to lessen by any extent the accomplishment of the Fins to any degree, that they were able to hold on as long as they did given the odds is absolutely amazing and a testament to the quality of leadership and military men and woman.
 

[Mike Parker]

One other thing about Finland,
 
The event where they end the Winter War and cede territory to the USSR (and the event where they just cede territory and their is no Winter War) includes a bunch of land to the North including the VP city of Petsamo.  Petsamo was NOT ceded to the Soviets at this time, in fact they captured it in 1944, and Finland eventually ceded it to the USSR in 1947 I believe.
 
This should be changed, for one because having Petsamo in Finnish hands helps Finland economically (it is 1 or 2 PP I believe due to the Nickel mines there), strategically because it provides supply and strat movement to threaten Murmansk, and lastly when fighting the USSR, capturing the VP city of Petsamo is a pain in the arse, that shouldn't be required.

[doomtrader]

One other thing about Finland,

The event where they end the Winter War and cede territory to the USSR (and the event where they just cede territory and their is no Winter War) includes a bunch of land to the North including the VP city of Petsamo. Petsamo was NOT ceded to the Soviets at this time, in fact they captured it in 1944, and Finland eventually ceded it to the USSR in 1947 I believe.

This has been already on our to do list for the first patch

[Hard Sarge]

the Fins fought them to a standstill, the Russians were the ones who were hurting (but could replace there hurts)

a large number of the Finnish Losses came from the ceasefire, both sides stopped shooting, and then waiting for the treaty and the time, just as the time ran down, and the ceasefire was to be accepted, the Russians opened fire with everything they had, and most of the Finnish troops were not in there dugouts/bunkers, but caught in the open

and yes, the Fins wanted and needed the cease fire, they did not have the strength to gain back what they lost, and the Russians didn't want to lose more then they already had

[willgamer]

ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

I don't see why Finland should have to lose if played well, they didn't lose, they fought the Russians to a standstill and then signed a cease fire, they wouldn't of been able to take back what they had lost, and the Russians with out a major reinforcement wouldn't of won

I agree with the notion of fighting the Russians to a standstill; problem is, if I hadn't simply chosen to stop the next objective was the Finnish drive on Moscow! [:D]

ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

I don't think they should be able to defeat the Russians, but, by your account, they didn't, they just took some cities

If Lennigrad=some city, the real life Germans had a lot to learn from the Finns. [X(]

ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

a draw or cease fire is the best result you should hope for ???

Actually Yes (if this is not to escape WWII alternate history into the realm of fantasy). [8D]

[JFalk68]

Ok, as Finland in the Operation Barbarossa scenario Finland starts out as part of the Axis alliance but the SU and GB are not at war with them even though they are part of the Axis alliance. Because of this Finland is basically frozen and can't invade the SU because they are not at war, even though the rest of their alliance is. I played till September hoping some event would fire off but they just sat there.

This needs to be fixed as well, thanks !



Ok, I figured out how to fix this. I went to the scenario file and I went to the relations file in that folder and changed it so Finland is at war with the SU. I did not make them at war with GB and the allies like the rest of the Axis because the Allies basically left Finland alone.

[Anraz]

I noticed the same some time ago and it will be fixed (already set as one of tasks to do).