AE my conclusion

[m10bob]

After just 4 days in Basic Training....I was Positive the Army was going to make me do push ups every day for the rest of my time in, and I was going to be yelled at by a really angry guy with a smokey the bear hat..

[Sardaukar]

ORIGINAL: m10bob

After just 4 days in Basic Training....I was Positive the Army was going to make me do push ups every day for the rest of my time in, and I was going to be yelled at by a really angry guy with a smokey the bear hat..

And after 4 years you found out that it was true? [:D]

[m10bob]

ORIGINAL: Sardaukar

ORIGINAL: m10bob

After just 4 days in Basic Training....I was Positive the Army was going to make me do push ups every day for the rest of my time in, and I was going to be yelled at by a really angry guy with a smokey the bear hat..

And after 4 years you found out that it was true? [:D]

Pretty much, pretty much,(but with mud!)[:D]

[EwingNJ]

And freezing rain, unless it was unbearably hot and dusty, and cold, indigestible coffee, cold, indigestible C-Rations, eaten in the rain, sleeping in the mud, unless you were sleeping with the scorpions, and freezing in the winter, unless your were broiling in the summer, and tepid showers, except in the winter when ice cold water was the only alternative and……

Oddly enough, I still miss those days.

[Yamato_Blitzer]

ORIGINAL: EwingNJ

And freezing rain, unless it was unbearably hot and dusty, and cold, indigestible coffee, cold, indigestible C-Rations, eaten in the rain, sleeping in the mud, unless you were sleeping with the scorpions, and freezing in the winter, unless your were broiling in the summer, and tepid showers, except in the winter when ice cold water was the only alternative and……

Oddly enough, I still miss those days.

Sounds like my job.


Eh I think the Guadalcanal campaign is good, very good, but (as i've said before) the Zero in that scenario is unrealistically inferior when matched against the F4F. I've tried every possible thing too. Raising altitude, doing sweep instead of escort, making sure the squadron leaders are the best etc. But in that scenario when the Zero takes on the F4F, it seems more reminiscent of 1944 when the zero had to tackle the hellcat, i dont think the Zero should in all realism be hopelessly outclassed like that in sept '42, i dont know, maybe ive had a run at bad luck, does anyone else have this problem?

There, if you want some feedback on a game issue, thats mine..

That statement sermil made is pretty narrow minded and ridiculous. This is a very good game. Worth every penny and far better than Witp

[joey]

ORIGINAL: Yamato_Blitzer

ORIGINAL: EwingNJ

And freezing rain, unless it was unbearably hot and dusty, and cold, indigestible coffee, cold, indigestible C-Rations, eaten in the rain, sleeping in the mud, unless you were sleeping with the scorpions, and freezing in the winter, unless your were broiling in the summer, and tepid showers, except in the winter when ice cold water was the only alternative and……

Oddly enough, I still miss those days.

Sounds like my job.

Ya kinda make you happy I joined the navy instead!

[Yamato_Blitzer]

ORIGINAL: CLEVELAND

In Guadalcanal, the Japanese have two carriers (the Ryujo is terrible with not so good pilots) to stand up against three US carriers.  They cannot go toe to toe against the whole US carrier fleet.  It's not advisable to gamble with them on carrier battles.

Well two carriers to start with. But 4 CV's and 1 CVL in total (worth mentioning), even with 4 jap carriers and ryujo vs those 3 american carriers, your jap carriers will lose the battle, almost guaranteed. Val's and Kate's target carriers quite well, but the inevitable massacre of them at the hands of F4F's will destroy about 70% of their numbers in any given engagement, even with massive amounts of Zero's flying escort, large numbers of F4F's always break through and massacre the kates and vals, thats the problem im having. Ive tried everything and im unable to counter this at all

However, i played the american side and had no challenge at all in destroying the jap carriers (even with them having 4 carriers)

[pmelheck1]

Sorry but us Air Force guys think roughing it is when you are in billiting rather than in a hotel...

[rroberson]

ORIGINAL: joey

ORIGINAL: Yamato_Blitzer

ORIGINAL: EwingNJ

And freezing rain, unless it was unbearably hot and dusty, and cold, indigestible coffee, cold, indigestible C-Rations, eaten in the rain, sleeping in the mud, unless you were sleeping with the scorpions, and freezing in the winter, unless your were broiling in the summer, and tepid showers, except in the winter when ice cold water was the only alternative and……

Oddly enough, I still miss those days.

Sounds like my job.

Ya kinda make you happy I joined the navy instead!

Ditto

[BeastieDog]

How do you do it Erik? How do you keep responding calmly to gamers on too much caffeine? Wait! I know now! ERIK is really a MACHINE! Enhanced Relational Interpretive Komputer! Deep in the bowels of Matrix lie the remnants of IBM's Big Blue chess playing computer (purchased in some reverse cash for clunkers deal). ERIK is programmed to respond in a such a cool manner that gamers become narcotized (is that a word?) and curl up in a fetal position (read these Forums if you don't believe me!) Very sneaky Matrix!

Edit: I realized I mispelled your name.

[AttuWatcher]

ORIGINAL: Tazo

 
You know sermil, this game takes time to master. If your TF do not opperate as you planed them for, this is certainly that you miss some point...

Excellent observations Tazo, the level at which AE is controlled tends to be forgotten in the midst of the lower level details. This perspective should be thoroughly understood and experienced by all who claim to make final conclusions.

[stuman]

Very good response Tazo!

[SteveD64]

ORIGINAL: Yamato_Blitzer

ORIGINAL: CLEVELAND

In Guadalcanal, the Japanese have two carriers (the Ryujo is terrible with not so good pilots) to stand up against three US carriers. They cannot go toe to toe against the whole US carrier fleet. It's not advisable to gamble with them on carrier battles.

Well two carriers to start with. But 4 CV's and 1 CVL in total (worth mentioning), even with 4 jap carriers and ryujo vs those 3 american carriers, your jap carriers will lose the battle, almost guaranteed. Val's and Kate's target carriers quite well, but the inevitable massacre of them at the hands of F4F's will destroy about 70% of their numbers in any given engagement, even with massive amounts of Zero's flying escort, large numbers of F4F's always break through and massacre the kates and vals, thats the problem im having. Ive tried everything and im unable to counter this at all

However, i played the american side and had no challenge at all in destroying the jap carriers (even with them having 4 carriers)

Yep, I don't disagree. But there's some happy times to be had away from the American carriers. It will cost you planes and exhaust your pilots but your carriers will still be in action.

[RevRick]

ORIGINAL: mullk

Sorry but us Air Force guys think roughing it is when you are in billiting rather than in a hotel...

So, who caters your bivouacs?

[Kull]

A number of disciples went to the Buddha and said, "Sir, there are living here in Savatthi many wandering hermits and scholars who indulge in constant dispute, some saying that the world is infinite and eternal and others that it is finite and not eternal, some saying that the soul dies with the body and others that it lives on forever, and so forth. What, Sir, would you say concerning them?"

The Buddha answered, "Once upon a time there was a certain raja who called to his servant and said, 'Come, good fellow, go and gather together in one place all the men of Savatthi who were born blind... and show them an elephant.' 'Very good, sire,' replied the servant, and he did as he was told. He said to the blind men assembled there, 'Here is an elephant,' and to one man he presented the head of the elephant, to another its ears, to another a tusk, to another the trunk, the foot, back, tail, and tuft of the tail, saying to each one that that was the elephant.

"When the blind men had felt the elephant, the raja went to each of them and said to each, 'Well, blind man, have you seen the elephant? Tell me, what sort of thing is an elephant?'

"Thereupon the men who were presented with the head answered, 'Sire, an elephant is like a pot.' And the men who had observed the ear replied, 'An elephant is like a winnowing basket.' Those who had been presented with a tusk said it was a ploughshare. Those who knew only the trunk said it was a plough; others said the body was a grainery; the foot, a pillar; the back, a mortar; the tail, a pestle, the tuft of the tail, a brush.

"Then they began to quarrel, shouting, 'Yes it is!' 'No, it is not!' 'An elephant is not that!' 'Yes, it's like that!' and so on, till they came to blows over the matter.

"Brethren, the raja was delighted with the scene.

"Just so are these preachers and scholars holding various views blind and unseeing.... In their ignorance they are by nature quarrelsome, wrangling, and disputatious, each maintaining reality is thus and thus."

Then the Exalted One rendered this meaning by uttering this verse of uplift,

O how they cling and wrangle, some who claim
For preacher and monk the honored name!
For, quarreling, each to his view they cling.
Such folk see only one side of a thing.
Jainism and Buddhism. Udana 68-69:
Parable of the Blind Men and the Elephant

[pmelheck1]

our what?

[stuman]

An updated version :

" O how they cling and wrangle, some who claim
For AFB and JFB the best played game !
For, quarreling, each to his view they cling.
Such folk see only one side of a thing."
AFBism and JFBism. WiTP-AE ver 1.0:
AFBs vs JFBs Who Has it Worse

[dpstafford]

ORIGINAL: sermil
Mr. Rutins can easily check that I own the game. Sorry...

Let me apologize for the rough treatment you have received. The cheerleader hit squads that patrol these forums are quite vicious. (Have you ever seen the movie "Heathers"?).

I think their rage is derived from the pain they are suffering since having had their pom-poms surgically attached.

I haven't played the Gualcanal scenario. But I am nearing Christmas in a PBEM GC. And given that the surface/bombardment retirement option doesn't work, I don't see how that scenario could even be playable--without the "Tokyo Express".

There are a lot of great new features in AE (over WITP). But there are also a number of things that jumped-the-shark. But since you appear to completely new to this game system, you should expect a few bumps. And until you play against a human opponent, you will never expeience the game's full potential.

[CV Zuikaku]

ORIGINAL: spence

Losses were realistic. Zeroes got 4:1 kill rate in their favour.

Just out of curiosity, what planet did this take place on?

Clark Field. Been rotating 2 Zero units. every day one of them sweeps at 21000ft and the other one rests. It works vry well for me [:)]

[jjax]

ORIGINAL: dpstafford

ORIGINAL: sermil
Mr. Rutins can easily check that I own the game. Sorry...

Let me apologize for the rough treatment you have received. The cheerleader hit squads that patrol these forums are quite vicious. (Have you ever seen the movie "Heathers"?).

I think their rage is derived from the pain they are suffering since having had their pom-poms surgically attached.

I haven't played the Gualcanal scenario. But I am nearing Christmas in a PBEM GC. And given that the surface/bombardment retirement option doesn't work, I don't see how that scenario could even be playable--without the "Tokyo Express".

There are a lot of great new features in AE (over WITP). But there are also a number of things that jumped-the-shark. But since you appear to completely new to this game system, you should expect a few bumps. And until you play against a human opponent, you will never expeience the game's full potential.

The reason he initially got poor treatment was

You won't be hearing any more from me.
Regards.

And even then, the so called cheerleaders were more than willing to help him out. I doubt people need you to apologize for them.

Everybody is allowed to criticizes . I have seen some from the most hardcore WITP players. However, it should at least be constructive so the Dev team can actually do something about it.

My second edit, I should stay off these forums before my first coffee.

Eventually he did list his issues so I am not using this post to flame the original poster[8D].