New Stupid Newbie Questions

[Hard Sarge]

typo, 3/45

[Hard Sarge]

from the post that the list came from


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ORIGINAL: Thales

Is the starting date for the Ju 388J mentioned above really 3/44 - or is it a typo and should read 3/45? The few sources I read mention that preparations for serial production of the Ju 388J were still gearing up at the end of the war.


correct, looks like a mixed up date, is 3/45 now

[vimconfused]

I am compiling a spreadsheet/database for all the info I can find, so from the list of types in Hard Sarge' post shown above, and from information in the game can anyone please confirm:

1. It is implied by the weapon database but is Bf 109K-6 the Bf 109K-4 with additional cannon (ie, not a unique assembly)?

2. That Mc.205 and Re.2005, which are apparently single engine fighters actually need two engines to build (hence the significant discrepancy in Fiat engine requirement compared to those produced)?

3. It is implied by the weapon database but is Bf 110G-4/R8 the Bf 110G-4/R7 with additional cannon (ie, not a unique assembly)?

4. The list above shows four Do335 models, but the game (at the start anyway) suggests only two unique types, Do-335A and Do-335A6. Can someone therefore advise if Do335A-0 and Do-335B can exist and if they are unique or upgraded cannon versions of other types etc? The difference here is that the list above shows different availability dates for all four models suggesting they are unique.

5. In assembly terms, the game shows unique type Fw190A-5N, however this appears to be the night fighter shown in the weapon database as Fw190A-5/U2. Can anyone please confirm they are the same aircraft?

6. It is implied by the weapon database but is Fw 190A-8/R8 the Fw 190A-8/R7 with heavier cannon (ie, not a unique assembly)?

7. What is the availability date of the Fw 190A-8/R7? I would assume its the same as Fw 190A-8, but since it uses different parts (Sturm) from the A-8 I thought I'd ask.

8. There are four Me262 versions in the list. In the game (at least initially) you can only choose two assemblies (-A and -B) suggesting only two of them are unique. I'm guessing (let me know) that Me262A-1a/U4 is the alternate weapon option for the Me262A (so not unique). However there are different availability dates for the Me262A and Me262A-0, suggesting there are actually three unique assemblies - please advise.

9. For the Me410 please confirm the following are the alternate weapon options: the A1/U2 is based on the A1, the B2/R5 is based on the B2/R3, and the B2/U4 is based on the B2/U2.

I really appreciate everyone's help. I hope the document I'm compiling will be helpful and will upload it as soon as I can.

Edit:
> Thanks Oliver H for the Me262 response.

10. Sorry, another question. It seems "standard" groups can change between most types of a/c, eg single engine to twin engine or even day to night etc., but they don't appear to be able to work out how to fly a Fw190F (or G). Is this the same with all groups and are you therefore limited to the number of these groups you can have (so therefore may not want to convert huge production to them)?

11. And one more. Noticed from the Campaign screen that the order of battle shows gruppen not yet formed. What happens if a group is due to be formed out of an aircraft type I don't produce... does it appear with 0 aircraft and you can change type? Does it appear with the requisite amount of "free" aircraft, or does it not appear at all?

12. And finally (for now!) I see from the above list that Bf 109G-10 is available 11/44 but the 109G-14 is available 7/44. This seems a bit odd. Is this correct, or is it the other way round, or is there a typo on one or both (perhaps the G-10 should be 11/43?).

[Oliver Heindorf]

For Me 262A-0 - there was a discussion earlier after release of the game (search function), irrc you cant build it. you receive some and thats it.
it it the test version, and then it was decided to use it as a bomber. only later this plane was allowed to act as a fighter.

[Hard Sarge]

ORIGINAL: vimconfused

I am compiling a spreadsheet/database for all the info I can find, so from the list of types in Hard Sarge' post shown above, and from information in the game can anyone please confirm:

1. It is implied by the weapon database but is Bf 109K-6 the Bf 109K-4 with additional cannon (ie, not a unique assembly)?

it should be a completely new model, but I made it a pak verison of the K-4

2. That Mc.205 and Re.2005, which are apparently single engine fighters actually need two engines to build (hence the significant discrepancy in Fiat engine requirement compared to those produced)?

the biggest issue the It had with building late model planes was the engines, with the game system, it is too easy for these types to be built, so the 2nd engine is needed, all of the seirie 5 models need two engines (205, 2005, 55)

3. It is implied by the weapon database but is Bf 110G-4/R8 the Bf 110G-4/R7 with additional cannon (ie, not a unique assembly)?

the list will show the base model, and the Pak Model

4. The list above shows four Do335 models, but the game (at the start anyway) suggests only two unique types, Do-335A and Do-335A6. Can someone therefore advise if Do335A-0 and Do-335B can exist and if they are unique or upgraded cannon versions of other types etc? The difference here is that the list above shows different availability dates for all four models suggesting they are unique.

the 0 is preproduction model, not buildable, the B should be the heavy verison and is a Pak

5. In assembly terms, the game shows unique type Fw190A-5N, however this appears to be the night fighter shown in the weapon database as Fw190A-5/U2. Can anyone please confirm they are the same aircraft?

6. It is implied by the weapon database but is Fw 190A-8/R8 the Fw 190A-8/R7 with heavier cannon (ie, not a unique assembly)?

again, one is the base the other is the Pak verison

7. What is the availability date of the Fw 190A-8/R7? I would assume its the same as Fw 190A-8, but since it uses different parts (Sturm) from the A-8 I thought I'd ask.

8. There are four Me262 versions in the list. In the game (at least initially) you can only choose two assemblies (-A and -B) suggesting only two of them are unique. I'm guessing (let me know) that Me262A-1a/U4 is the alternate weapon option for the Me262A (so not unique). However there are different availability dates for the Me262A and Me262A-0, suggesting there are actually three unique assemblies - please advise.

9. For the Me410 please confirm the following are the alternate weapon options: the A1/U2 is based on the A1, the B2/R5 is based on the B2/R3, and the B2/U4 is based on the B2/U2.

again, base and Paks

I really appreciate everyone's help. I hope the document I'm compiling will be helpful and will upload it as soon as I can.

Edit:
> Thanks Oliver H for the Me262 response.

10. Sorry, another question. It seems "standard" groups can change between most types of a/c, eg single engine to twin engine or even day to night etc., but they don't appear to be able to work out how to fly a Fw190F (or G). Is this the same with all groups and are you therefore limited to the number of these groups you can have (so therefore may not want to convert huge production to them)?

those are Jabo, only Jabo units can upgrade/change to them

11. And one more. Noticed from the Campaign screen that the order of battle shows gruppen not yet formed. What happens if a group is due to be formed out of an aircraft type I don't produce... does it appear with 0 aircraft and you can change type? Does it appear with the requisite amount of "free" aircraft, or does it not appear at all?

if you don't have the plane type, you don't get the planes (some units may come with some planes with them (IE you don't build any Me 163s, you going to have a number of Gruppen, with no planes)


12. And finally (for now!) I see from the above list that Bf 109G-10 is available 11/44 but the 109G-14 is available 7/44. This seems a bit odd. Is this correct, or is it the other way round, or is there a typo on one or both (perhaps the G-10 should be 11/43?).

o

in a oddity for the Germans, the 10 came after the 14 did

[vimconfused]

Thank you again for your comprehensive answers.

Just one thing regarding the "pak". With the pak attached the a/c group is shown as a separate type, so I was wondering whether they still receive replacements based on their basic model. For example, my list of Bf 110G-2 gruppen shows extensive replacements in the pool, whilst my Bf 110-G2/R3 gruppen show zero replacements, though I am assuming they (should) come from the same source. Do the pak groups still get replacements?

[Hard Sarge]

Paks, will draw replacements from the basic model

[vimconfused]

Thanks, but two more questions I'm afraid.

Allied Advance: as the Allies advance over bases, do you immediately lose everything there, do you get to withdraw the stuff, or does the stuff go back in the pool? Is it different whether AA guns or aircraft get overrun? Obviously I don't want to be losing gruppen wholesale as the allies run over bases in Southern Italy.

New Types: is there some sort of message advising that a new type of a/c can be brought into production, or are am I expected to have the requisite components already available and then see completed a/c appear in the replacement pool?

[Hard Sarge]

ORIGINAL: vimconfused

Thanks, but two more questions I'm afraid.

ask away, no hassle

Allied Advance: as the Allies advance over bases, do you immediately lose everything there, do you get to withdraw the stuff, or does the stuff go back in the pool? Is it different whether AA guns or aircraft get overrun? Obviously I don't want to be losing gruppen wholesale as the allies run over bases in Southern Italy.

AA will be lost, units, too close to the front when the front breaks, will go to the (reinforcement ?) list, and be on a delay, they will come back

the only times to be worried about this, is during the breakouts (the bases are being overran)

so, say, the landings in Italy, the Gothic line breaking, Normady breakout (to be honest, not sure about the Landings in Southern France, but would think any units on the fields close to that coast would also get pulled)

so, you really should have some idea, that it may not be a good idea to be too close to the front line

New Types: is there some sort of message advising that a new type of a/c can be brought into production, or are am I expected to have the requisite components already available and then see completed a/c appear in the replacement pool?

well, again, to be honest, all of that info can change, once the game starts, but, some of the newer plane types will also be coming in with new units, if the unit comes in with planes before they are ready, the replacement list will also show there date when they should show up

Harley has said, he is looking into some kind of "reseach" info being added to some of the info pages (if he can, I don't want to put words into his mouth)

so saying, I don't really want to add in a static start date into the data page, if the player can advance the date

for the Allies, it is more, check the replacement page at the end of the 1st day of each month, and see if any new planes show up

[vimconfused]

Brilliant. You have been extremely helpful.

Incidentally I'm one question away from finishing my "simplified"(?) production planner and aircraft database. Can you please confirm the availability date of the Fw190-A8/R7 is the same as the Fw190A-8? I assume it is but since it uses different parts (sturm) I thought it might be different.

[Hard Sarge]

same date, Jan 44

[vimconfused]

Thanks.

Industry: I vaguely remember from USAAF (I think, its been a few years) that German industry grew randomly on a small percentage chance. Does that happen in this game or are all production increases factored in advance.

Secondly, I see that after bomb damage, certain production lines are moved. Do they replace other types of existing or planned production in their new location, or are they additional (presumably after several days delay)?

[Hard Sarge]

ORIGINAL: vimconfused

Thanks.

Industry: I vaguely remember from USAAF (I think, its been a few years) that German industry grew randomly on a small percentage chance. Does that happen in this game or are all production increases factored in advance.

going by what Harley has told me, yes, Sites can grow, now, what the % needed (dieroll) I do not know, and would think it is pretty low, so, it can, but don't expect a site to go from 10 to 20 any time soon

Secondly, I see that after bomb damage, certain production lines are moved. Do they replace other types of existing or planned production in their new location, or are they additional (presumably after several days delay)?

(ahh, one of my favorite words, that is dispersial, some of the key industry, when damaged to 50% or over, will disperse, there are unseen/unbuilt sites, that will become new factories, when a main factory is damaged (so say that size 10 EFAC gets nailed (there is also a chance that part of the production numbers can be outright destroyed, so that size 10, may become a size 8 or 9 due to damage, and since it is over 50% there is a chance it will break down)

soooo, a target will become a FAC, and the production will go to new sites, which will take about 20-30 days or so, to become ready (size of new site can be between 1 and 3)

(Offhand, I remember AFAC/EFAC and BB as being sites that will disperse, there may be other ones that I am forgetting right now)

(a oddity here, is, in the target list, so say at the start of the day, EFAC shows 1200 and 0, so, (1200 points of production/value and 0 % of it is damaged) now you hit good, the two large EFAC's which would be a 10 and a 15, totally crippling them, and they break down, when you look at the target list, it will show you say, 1050 and 0, those two sites are now FAC, so, don't show up as EFAC damage)

again, when I try to explain something, at times, I make it more confusing then it was

[Hard Sarge]

okay, lets try this

I target Bussing NAG (I also went to the big DB plant, but pretty much missed)

here is the intel target list from the Axis side (info is good)

[Hard Sarge]

and this is the Allied intel list, which as you can see, is why we always say to send out recon, most of your starting info, is bad

[Hard Sarge]

target list after the raid is over

I blew Bussing Nag apart

[Hard Sarge]

the * are targets that are either coming online, or factories that have changed production

so those Ostmarks are not from my bombing raids

the rest are new sites

and he is the production list of sites on delay, it is going to take about 38 days for these new sites to come on line

Bussing Nag is now a size 2 target

[Hard Sarge]

this is what the Axis will see the next day

[Hard Sarge]

well, two days later, day one before the raid it is a size 10

day two, it was a size 2

now on day three it is a size 1

but this is what the Allies see

[Hard Sarge]

on day 4, it is now a FAC, and all production has been moved to someplace else