Speedy vs Fabertong - time to smack back the Penguin

[Speedysteve]

Hi all,

Thanks khyberbill. I'll have a look when perusing the SRA [8D]

The West Coast region has now received it's first days orders. Other than Search planes every single plane and pilot will conduct training. A question for those in the know (know it's been asked on the main forum before but forgotten the answer!) - the permanently restricted units that are scheduled to withdraw - I assume the only choice here is for home defence use and then withdraw them when the time comes?

Several convoys are being formed and ships given orders. 11 submarines are due to move to Dutch Harbour. They will be met here by an AS and a fuel/supply convoy. These SS's will patrol the northern waters and around the Japanese HI.

A bunch of xAKL's are to move supply to the northern Candians islands and bases low on supply.

Convoys will embark 34th Inf. Rgt, 47th Const. Bn and an Art Bn at San Fran bound for PH and then probably further south.

2nd USMC Def Bn, a Port Det. and an Art Bn will embark at San Diego. A substantial (80K total) supply/fuel convoy will also load up for PH. This wll then be distributed around CentPac Islands.

Obviously the above will not set off until we know where KB has gone.

CV Saratoga will stay at San Diego for now.

It's very frustrating seeing how few replacement F4F/SBD/TBD you get until 4/5/42 onwards.....

[Terminus]

Sucks, doesn't it?[;)]

[khyberbill]

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It's very frustrating seeing how few replacement F4F/SBD/TBD you get until 4/5/42 onwards..... [/quote
True, but the best policy for the valuable carriers is to keep them out of harms way and waiting kind of forces you to do that. If you are frustrated now, wait until you see the anemic B17/24/25 rates as well as P38's and Corsairs.

[sprior]

All I need now is a deck chair, a pint of London Pride and TMS on the radio.

[Terminus]

ORIGINAL: Speedy

Hi all,

Thanks khyberbill. I'll have a look when perusing the SRA [8D]

The West Coast region has now received it's first days orders. Other than Search planes every single plane and pilot will conduct training. A question for those in the know (know it's been asked on the main forum before but forgotten the answer!) - the permanently restricted units that are scheduled to withdraw - I assume the only choice here is for home defence use and then withdraw them when the time comes?

Several convoys are being formed and ships given orders. 11 submarines are due to move to Dutch Harbour. They will be met here by an AS and a fuel/supply convoy. These SS's will patrol the northern waters and around the Japanese HI.

A bunch of xAKL's are to move supply to the northern Candians islands and bases low on supply.

Convoys will embark 34th Inf. Rgt, 47th Const. Bn and an Art Bn at San Fran bound for PH and then probably further south.

2nd USMC Def Bn, a Port Det. and an Art Bn will embark at San Diego. A substantial (80K total) supply/fuel convoy will also load up for PH. This wll then be distributed around CentPac Islands.

Obviously the above will not set off until we know where KB has gone.

CV Saratoga will stay at San Diego for now.

It's very frustrating seeing how few replacement F4F/SBD/TBD you get until 4/5/42 onwards.....

Permanently restricted land units withdraw by themselves when the time comes, whilst equivalent air units have to be disbanded.

[scott64]

I would build up Adak and Attu , and maybe Dutch Harbor as a last resort. [:)] That way you could raid his shipping close to home. [:D]

[Smeulders]

ORIGINAL: Speedy
Interestingly Faber also bombed the repair yards there damaging 20% of them which i'm repairing.

I actually think that the PH repair yards start out with the 20 damage.

PH didn't seem too bad, though some of those BB will be in the yards for quite some time.Is there any significant damage to non-capital ships ?

[Terminus]

The PH repair yard starts out undamaged.

[Smeulders]

Ah well, I've had to rebuild it from about 80 (never really checked the exact number) each time so I guessed that was the reason, my mistake.

[Mike Solli]

ORIGINAL: Speedy
A substantial (80K total) supply/fuel convoy will also load up for PH.

Interesting comment. I remember the old WitP days when that would be a mere pittance.

Speedy, with your well known sub fetish, how do you plan on using them? (Move to destination then patrol, use waypoints, etc.)

[Speedysteve]

Hi all,

Thanks T. To confirm - permanently restricted air units - you have to disband them or can you withdraw them? Does it make a difference if you can?

Scott - yes my ultimate intention in the Aleutians is to build up one or two of the bases in the west of the chain to provide forward submarine bases. First things first though to secure Dutch.

Smeulders - the PH attack was fairly good for me IMO. As you say all but one of the BB's will be out for at least a year or so. The other ships got away quite lightly. A couple of Cruisers have 20ish damage.

Mike - LOL. At this stage of the war that's a substantial convoy for me[;)]

As for subs I'll detail in more depth later if desired. My initial deployments with be centered around using patrol zones - normally covering 7-12 hexes. These quite often overlap with other subs. Some subs are instead patrolling point to point upto 270 miles distance. Others still are heading to a particular hex and will remain on station with a reaction of 6 hexes. I had pretty good success against the AI in my other GC but that was on the last patch. It will be intruiging to see if I have the same success in AE as I did in WiTP.

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I've sent my initial orders to forces in the South Pacific - what forces there are that is! All forces in Australia have been set to Rest/Training except 1st Aussie Bde which is embarking on trains upto Cairns before being airlifted to PM. Also reinforcing PM will be 25K Supply from Sydney and the Catalina's at PM are picking up the dispersed units at Rabaul and Lae etc.

I'm also sending 20Kish supply from Sydney to Noumea.

Other than that i'm not doing much with Australia for now. Unless anyone else has ideas there's little there that's trained and ready to move anywhere and as we all know there's almost non-existant airforces and sea forces there. I am mustering the Aussie/NZ Warships at Sydney who will then proceed northwards to counter invasions.

I'm moving some TK's upto Java and Balikpapan to load up on fuel.

Luzon ah Luzon. Faber's initial landings are interesting. He's, so far at least, landed with small forces in the NE and SE of Luzon. I have a PI Division 45 miles march way from each landing site. It's hard to judge what will happen next. Faber may have forces en route within a day or 2 or maybe longer. Could it be a trick to lure me out of Clark/Manila/Bataan etc? IF so i'm not falling for that BUT I am sending a division to Vigan and 2 x PI Divisions to Atimonan. If more force arrives then i'll bug out to the strong centre.

What are people's thoughts on Luzon defence? Traditionally I hold out at Clark and then fall back on Bataan.

All P40's are set at 70% CAP at varying altitudes. I've also replaced the leaders with aggresssive ones. Clark's B17's will attempt to hit Takao's airfields. The P26's and Seagulls are set to bomb enemy shipping.

All Subs have been deployed to patrol areas ranging from Japan to Indochina.

The PT's are heading to intercept enemy shipping at Vigan.

I assume the 2 (worth saving) BF's in PI are the Cebu and Cavite USN ones? I'm sending shipping to load them both up.

Boise, Houston and DD's are gathering at Iloilo for now.

CL Marblehead TF will proceed at full speed to the enemy landings at Menado.

[Terminus]

Permanently restricted air units can't be withdrawn, but must be disbanded. They're units who were transferred out of theatre, and we don't want their planes and pilots to go into the pool and be usable by other units.

[khyberbill]

Thanks T. To confirm - permanently restricted air units - you have to disband them or can you withdraw them? Does it make a difference if you can?

Some units with withdrawal dates can be withdrawn as opposed to being disbanded. You will get PP for these. If there are airfames in the unit that you want, then upgrade before withdrawal.

[Smeulders]

You can also decline the PP and get the planes and pilots instead.

Edit : On the Luzon defense, holing up in a fortress is probably the best thing you can do. An aggressive defence is possible, just look at the 'World Defence' AAR, but only if your opponent underestimates your forces. If he brings enough force, any forward forces are in a hopeless position, just look at my AAR when it updates. [:(]

[crsutton]

ORIGINAL: Terminus

Permanently restricted air units can't be withdrawn, but must be disbanded. They're units who were transferred out of theatre, and we don't want their planes and pilots to go into the pool and be usable by other units.

But, with the new patch, you can move all of the good pilots out of restricted air units into the reserve pool and replace them with green pilots for training. They (good pilots) then can be reassigned to front line units. Not a bad thing as the Allies are critically short of trained pilots for a good while. I suspect this was an oversight and will be corrected in a later patch.

[Speedysteve]

Hi all,

Thanks for your above responses.

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The final orders have been sent and the turn is back over with Faber!

To summarise my other decisions for the turn.

Malaya - BB POW is at 51/85(48 MJR)/4 and is 120 miles out from Singapore. I am CAPing her with Buffalo's and hoping she'll limp back ot Singapore for recovery.

The rest of Malaya is put on war footing. I am already moving/preparing most of my northern forces for Malacca. I'm bugging out of Kota Bharu and Kuantan.

The Punjab Bn at Georgetown is being loaded on AK's and will head for the Andaman Islands as a small garrison there.

Blenheim's will attempt to bomb Japanese airfields in Southern Thailand. All TB's have been flown into Singapore and will attempt to attack any enemy shipping that comes within 180 miles.

All available TK/AO in the SRA are heading to either Balikpapan, Soerabaya or Palembang to load up fuel.

At present I have a lot of AK/AP's sitting around not doing much. I'll decide what to do with them over the coming days. Any thoughts?

Almost everything in Java is resting and training for the upcoming battle.

Every sub is ordered out to sea. I've also replaced some of the less skilled and aggressive USN Sub Skippers at Manila. I'd rather they attacked more often than not since it's a law of odds and the more die I'm rolling the more chance of a hit.

I'm concentrating my available Dutch/British CL/DD forces at Palembang for use against any northern Borneo invasions - other than CL Marblehead TF (heading towards Menado) and British DD's at Hong Kong are heading to Japanese ports east to raid (along with PT's).

India - not much to order here at present! Most forces are set to rest/train. I'm sending the seaborne Indian Bde's to Calcutta (apart from the 45th to Trincomalee).

Burma - consolidation. I'm centering forces at Pegu. Depending on what Faber brings I will either stand or run back and run straight back into India.

AVG will ultimately be used over Rangoon. It's training/resting at the mo.

China - oh China. What a mess. It will be easier to explain this with the aid of a screenshot which I will do so next turn. In short. I'm moving back in some areas and forward in others - notably Ichang. Most bases are building forts and all rear cities are resting/training LCU's.

Russia - rest and train.

As a sidenote every LCU/Air group has replacements turned OFF except an Indian Bde at Karachi, Chinese units at Chungking, Russian units and some LCU's in the US.

[Mynok]

within 180 miles

Four and a half hexes?!?! [8D]

[khyberbill]

I'm centering forces at Pegu. Depending on what Faber brings I will either stand or run back and run straight back into India.

It is easy to be out flanked at Pegu. The forces you have there now also are probably very low on experience. If you are pushed back at Pegu, you end up in Rangoon and it is difficult to extract yourself from that place.

[crsutton]

ORIGINAL: crsutton

ORIGINAL: Terminus

Permanently restricted air units can't be withdrawn, but must be disbanded. They're units who were transferred out of theatre, and we don't want their planes and pilots to go into the pool and be usable by other units.

But, with the new patch, you can move all of the good pilots out of restricted air units into the reserve pool and replace them with green pilots for training. They (good pilots) then can be reassigned to front line units. Not a bad thing as the Allies are critically short of trained pilots for a good while. I suspect this was an oversight and will be corrected in a later patch.

Never mind. I think 2.0 just changed this option...[X(]

[Speedysteve]

Hi all,

Khyberbill - I'll need to look at the map to confirm but surely you can only be outflanked from Rangoon?

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Faber's run the combat's for this turn.

KB moved away west from PH! I'm a little surprised at this since He could have smashed a few more BB's. I suppose the extra AA losses to his planes would hurt a fair bit though.

Plenty of surfaceaction as Allied and Japanese forces tangled off Menado. The CL Marblehead force raced towards the Japanese landings encountering an escort headed up by CA Chokai. Other than DD Stewart taking heavy damage with 4 shells the Allies mamaged to pierce the escort and heavily daamge 2 x xAKL's.

DD's Thanet, Thracian and Scout had a fun day patrolling off Pescadores. During the night they were warded off by DD's Minegumo and Samidare with ineffectual combat. They skirted around them during the day and heavily damaged 2 x xAK taking out a lot of enemy equipment (looks like a BF).

A Japanese cruiser force took out 4 x PT's near Vigan.

Elsewhere TK Manatawny was chased down and sunk by DD Yugumo and Hokaze fleeing Legaspi.

AM Quail struck a Japanese mine and floundered off Bataan.

A Zero sweep bagged severla P40's over Luzon for little loss in return.

Clark's B17's bombed Takao's airfields destroying a couple of planes on the ground.

More Japanese forces landed at Aparri and took it. Patrols spotted several more TF's approaching Vigan.

Ternate fell but the Menado Dutch held the Japanese back. Tarawa also fell to the Japanese.

Little happened over Malaya except Japanese raids on Kota Bharu, Georgetown and Alor Star.

BB POW is still afloat (not sure of condition though)!

Mini-KB reported SE of Davao.

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Oh I almost forgot [;)]

My submarines achieved notable successes on the first day.

The first probable victim of the war was DMS W-4 by SS KXIV at Brunei blowing her up. Later in the day she also hit xAK Meiten Maru with a torpedo.

SS KXI reportedly hit 2 Japanese ships off Kota Bharu - xAK Iburi Maru (1 torpedo) and xAK Awajisan Maru (2 torpedoes).

SS S-39 heavily damaged DMS W-14 off Atimonan with 2 torpedoes. She was heavily damaged in return by Japanese patrol vessels.