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U2 · Post by U2 » Tue May 21, 2002 1:12 am

Originally posted by Hartmann

I'm glad to hear that this at least DOES happen sometimes. Still I have yet to see it in my games.

Hartmann

I'll believe it when I see it.

Dan

U2 · Post by U2 » Tue May 21, 2002 1:20 am

Originally posted by U2

I'll believe it when I see it.

Dan

You wont believe this but I just watched the action replay as the allies on a PBEM game I have against an american and a Betty reported one my my SS hit!!!!!!!!

Dan

LargeSlowTarget · Post by **LargeSlowTarget** » Tue May 21, 2002 1:33 am

Well, some bozo (cool, just learned another word that was never mentioned in my English classes

) has to post something really irrelevant, and I will sacrifice myself to stand in the breach - well, actually me too will do anything to kill time until my copy reaches me. :p So, BOHICA: One Japanese sub carried a floatplane to the West Coast to bomb the forests of Washington state with incendiary bombs.

Ah yeah, other subs were sent out to launch floatplanes on recon missions over totally irrelevant islands, like Madagascar.

Uh, and what about the story of the sub that carried a Kaiten to Ulithi lagoon, which then blew up an oiler?

And... (Heroic effort to regain self-control - sorry, it's not me, but those voices in my head....

)

LST

dgaad · Post by **dgaad** » Tue May 21, 2002 2:16 am

Originally posted by LargeSlowTarget
Well, some bozo (cool, just learned another word that was never mentioned in my English classes ) has to post something really irrelevant, and I will sacrifice myself to stand in the breach - well, actually me too will do anything to kill time until my copy reaches me. :p So, BOHICA: One Japanese sub carried a floatplane to the West Coast to bomb the forests of Washington state with incendiary bombs.

Ah yeah, other subs were sent out to launch floatplanes on recon missions over totally irrelevant islands, like Madagascar.

Uh, and what about the story of the sub that carried a Kaiten to Ulithi lagoon, which then blew up an oiler?

And... (Heroic effort to regain self-control - sorry, it's not me, but those voices in my head.... )

LST

LOL

I never heard of the sub mission to Washington state. However, the Japs did have a huge balloon bombing operation going on to bomb the United States Northwest. They had a specially designed balloon which carried an incendiary bomb that was supposed to ride the jetstream to NW US. Several thousand of these bombs actually made it to the US, most of them didn't work, and they certainly created no known fires of any significance. The Japs forgot that the NW US is rainy and moist 3/4 of the year. However, they did kill a little girl who found a balloon and tried to pick it up (it was way bigger than her, but the movement triggered the bomb that was out of view and attached).

Still, they (both the subs and the balloons) were irrelevant. No offense to the family of the little girl.

LargeSlowTarget · Post by **LargeSlowTarget** » Tue May 21, 2002 3:08 am

Originally posted by dgaad

LOL

And I feared I would end up on your ignore list...

.

I have heard about the balloon offensive, too. Now that was really irrelevant, resources and hours of working time put to no use at all.
Concerning the floatplane bombing run, I have read an interview with the (alleged) pilot of that plane somewhere sometime (hey, why are those voices silent when I need them?). It might have been Oregon instead of Washington, can't remember exactly. The pilot claimed that he droped two small incendiary bombs into the woods, hoping to destroy this vital resource of the US war effort. I'm not sure if this story is true, I haven't seen any reliable confirmation (just newspaper articles like the interview I have read - never trust the media). But given the fact that the Japanese did have strange ideas (like the balloons), it is not impossible that this bombing attack did happen.

LST

dgaad · Post by **dgaad** » Tue May 21, 2002 3:57 am

You? On my ignore list? Never.

Mike Wood · Post by **Mike Wood** » Tue May 21, 2002 5:08 am

Hello...

Please note that aircraft on naval search or anti-submarine warfare missions do attack submarines. Unlike some other pilots in the game, patrol aircraft tend to give more conservative damage estimates, so they will say they 'spotted' a submarine. Be assured that if they spot it they try to attack it. But, bombing a submarine that has dived may or may not damage it and the pilot will not know for sure. If the pilot or crew see fuel oil on the surface or they hit it before it dives or drop a depth charge and see small parts of it fly into the air, they will then claim they damaged or destroyed it.

Have Fun...

Michael Wood

juliet7bravo · Post by **juliet7bravo** » Tue May 21, 2002 6:01 am

For really irrelevant...how about the US program using bats with an incendiary device strapped to them? Canceled due to the bats getting loose, hiding under the post commanders car and blowing it up or something equally silly...as an American, I'm hoping this is just an "urban legend", LOL.

Rex Bellator · Post by **Rex Bellator** » Tue May 21, 2002 7:00 pm

I've not seen my ASW Cats attacking subs yet, I'll be watching carefully...

Oh, and my contribution to the silly stuff - Didn't the USAAF put forward a plan to bomb the sacred Mt Fuji with pink paint to demoralize the residents of Tokyo ?!...

madflava13 · Post by **madflava13** » Tue May 21, 2002 7:29 pm

I had a B-25 attack a Jap sub off Noumea last night... Claimed a bomb hit, but I doubt it as the sub was sighted a few hexes away the next day...

Also, I've had subs damaged during depth charge attacks, but the combat report says "hit by shell." Is this how DCs are reported?

dgaad · Post by **dgaad** » Tue May 21, 2002 7:32 pm

Originally posted by Rex Bellator
I've not seen my ASW Cats attacking subs yet, I'll be watching carefully...

Oh, and my contribution to the silly stuff - Didn't the USAAF put forward a plan to bomb the sacred Mt Fuji with pink paint to demoralize the residents of Tokyo ?!...

This is absolutely true. I think it was LeMay's idea. It was turned down because it was thought that doing that would make them less likely to surrender ultimately. Duh.

U2 · Post by U2 » Tue May 21, 2002 7:33 pm

Also, I've had subs damaged during depth charge attacks, but the combat report says "hit by shell." Is this how DCs are reported? [/B][/QUOTE]

Yes.

Dan

Mike Wood · Post by **Mike Wood** » Wed May 22, 2002 12:36 am

Hello...

Yup, hit by shell.

Bye...

Michael Wood
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Originally posted by madflava13
I had a B-25 attack a Jap sub off Noumea last night... Claimed a bomb hit, but I doubt it as the sub was sighted a few hexes away the next day...

Also, I've had subs damaged during depth charge attacks, but the combat report says "hit by shell." Is this how DCs are reported?

siRkid · Post by **siRkid** » Wed May 22, 2002 2:00 am

Originally posted by Crocky
If I recall correctly everytime your recon or Asw spot a sub or any other ship they will attempt to drop their payload on it

In fact in the PBEM against Kid I got a message that goes something like this

Jake spots SS Tunny
SS Tunny hit ++++++

So the Tunny got hit with the jakes payload

This is true for the Japs but I have never see the US score a hit.

Caltone · Post by **Caltone** » Wed May 22, 2002 2:24 am

I too have not seen any ASW attacks.

Mike are you saying attacks may occur that we are unaware of?

I'm still learning the game and playing the AI. So far no air attack on subs by my planes and the AI hasn't nailed any of my subs.

I also havn't seen search planes attack anything. I busted up a US transport convoy recently and there are many wounded single ships all over, that got spotted by not attacked by the search plane.

Course the carrier wing trailing them enjoyed the scraps

My favorite game in a very long time, thanks Matrix and 2by3

PBYPilot · Post by **PBYPilot** » Wed May 22, 2002 2:29 am

I for one would still like to see an attack appear on screen if an aircraft attacks a sub, whether or not the attack is successful.

Anybody else?

PBYPilot

siRkid · Post by **siRkid** » Wed May 22, 2002 2:32 am

I have seen attacks from search planes. They show up when they hit. I am only saying that I have never seen my ASW aircraft (US) hit a single sub. Mine get hit by the Japs every so often and sometimes surface ships are hit on both sides.

dgaad · Post by **dgaad** » Wed May 22, 2002 3:34 am

Originally posted by Kid
I have seen attacks from search planes. They show up when they hit. I am only saying that I have never seen my ASW aircraft (US) hit a single sub. Mine get hit by the Japs every so often and sometimes surface ships are hit on both sides.

Matrix . . . are you listening? I agree with all the posters in this thread. I've seen Jap aircraft hit US subs, but I've never seen a US aircraft even ATTEMPT a strike at a Jap sub. Could you offer more explanation here? Are we on to a potential bug or is this something to do with different sub doctrines? I always play on historical settings, myself.

a300mech · Post by **a300mech** » Wed May 22, 2002 3:37 am

I've also had a lack of verifiable ASW aircraft attacks on subs.
I'm wondering if the altitude setting could be the problem?
I could swear I read something in the manual regarding ASW
A/C effectiveness and altitude. Anyone know for sure?

Regarding Jap sub effectiveness overall during the war....
Part of the problem was the micro-management they were shackled with. Constantly being re-posistioned at every whim of naval command. Also they were plagued by constant demands for posistion information which allowed allied ASW forces to find and destroy them easily later in the war.

Another bit of Jap sub trivia, is the episode early in the war when a Jap sub shelled an oil field near Santa Barbara one night.
Think of the panic if that sort of thing had been done a few more times.

Nikademus · Post by **Nikademus** » Wed May 22, 2002 5:38 am

Statistically, aircraft were the #1 killers of subs during the war (at least in the Atlantic i should say) and the high score goes to the B-24 liberator, a plane in scarce supply at the beginning of the game.

It also didn't happen overnight either. During the first couple years in the Atlantic, aircraft kills were a rare thing, the greatest value displayed being the forcing down of the subs while a valuable convoy went by and sometimes causing damage to it adding insult to injury. If nothing else the crew could radio it's location or war the nearest convoy of the contact.

Later, with tactics more refined, more and more aircraft squadrons (of better suitible types too) deployed, and equiped with the latest ASW gadgets (metric, then centi-metric radar, Torpex depth charges, Leigh lights, FIDO etc etc ) they became the #1 menace to the U-boats.

Not alot of this in the Pacific at first due to the Europe first priority and the demands of the NA and Central Atlantic convoy routes. Add to that the much vaster expanses of the Pacific and one can see why there would at least initially be a paucity of confirmable sub kills.

I'd be happy just to get a few spotted so i can send in some PC craft to make their days hell. I'm one week into a new campaign and already i've had a destroyer and a light cruiser damaged by mere S-class subs. :rolleyes:

Besides which, IJN sub doctrine kept the boats mostly away from convoy routes and focused on nailing ships. An ultimately unwise decision though it did admitedly yield some spectacular results in the short term, but not enough to make a difference in the long run.

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