Where can i find For ultimate axis mod?

[John 3rd]

I would really LOVE to but creating U-Boats classes is a bit out of my ability level.  Don't have any of the deployment dates or anything either...
 

[chesmart]

I can give you the data and the artwork for the U-boats but i do not have the deployment dates. I can send them to you by e-mail.

[mike scholl 1]

ORIGINAL: che200

Mike i agree with your statement regarding the Nazis coming to power, But I have a problem you see I want to have German , Italian and French forces in the pacific so i have to create some kind of plausible scenario thats why i wrote it. (Plus i wrote it on a plane to send it to another player who was helping me with German planes thats why it is such a disaster) If you would like to help me in writing down a story line you are more than welcome especially if it is more plausible than mine. BTW thanks for the information regarding earlier attack on Russia.

Well, if you want to involve the French, you could postulate Vichy joining the Axis in reaction to Mers-el-Kibir. Having their fleet attacked by their former allies certainly pissed off a lot of Frenchmen. Otherwise, Vichy joining the Axis is pretty far-fetched.

My problem is that I don't see the situation you want to create as a realistic one..., which makes it hard for me to postulate a reasonable storyline. But I'm happy to help you with taming a few of the wilder hairs...

[mikemike]

ORIGINAL: che200

Mike i agree with your statement regarding the Nazis coming to power, But I have a problem you see I want to have German , Italian and French forces in the pacific so i have to create some kind of plausible scenario thats why i wrote it. (Plus i wrote it on a plane to send it to another player who was helping me with German planes thats why it is such a disaster) If you would like to help me in writing down a story line you are more than welcome especially if it is more plausible than mine. BTW thanks for the information regarding earlier attack on Russia.

I've thought in the same vein, and what I've come up with is as follows:

Shortly after the capitulation of France, there is a meeting between Hitler and Stalin at Brest-Litowsk, where both of them and a number of their closest staff members are blown away by a bomb placed by the Polish Resistance. Both countries need to reorganize their command structure, so the Battle of Britain doesn't happen in the historical form. Berija has control of the situation at first due to the NKVD but he starts further purges to consolidate his power so several other political figures, fearing for their lives, start a civil war and call on the Germans for help (I think the only people able to beat the Russians at that time would be other Russians). Far East troops can't be transferred because the Japanese cause trouble at the borders. Nobody involves Britain or the USA because both countries are implicated in the bombing (British explosives, and the bomb maker was a US citizen of Polish descent with ties to the OSS (or whatever the US intelligence service was called at the time)), so neither side trusts them. In the end, the faction allied with Germany wins, at a price: Germany gets control over the Baltic states, the rest of Poland, part of Belorussia, and the Ukraine, transit rights to the Far East, and deliveries of food, raw materials, industrial products, and arms. In addition, the Soviet Union has to disband about half their armed forces.

What I want to result from that is the presence of a small German Army/Luftwaffe contingent, the Kriegsmarine mainly represented by U-Boats and some ships that can be transferred during summer over the Northern Seaway through Bering Strait. The main effect would be an influx of Russian raw materials and weapons to Japan, also German arms and aircraft, but not enough oil to dissuade the Japanese from going after the SRA. As Britain is still in the fight, nothing much would change for the Allied side. Sorry, no significant Italian/French presence. No idea what that would do to the timescale, maybe kickoff mid-1942? Of course, the Soviets are out of the war, at least for a few years.

[wworld7]

ORIGINAL: mike scholl 1

Well, if you want to involve the French, you could postulate Vichy joining the Axis in reaction to Mers-el-Kibir. Having their fleet attacked by their former allies certainly pissed off a lot of Frenchmen.

Back in high school (mid 70's) my girlfriends Uncle and his family visited from France. I talked to her Uncle a few times about about how they felt (and lived) when Germany occupied the country during WWII. We touched upon GB's attack on the French fleet, yes, it made many people angry. But he explained that most people in his village knew the only hope for a decent future was if the USA and GB could defeat Germany. Even though they were angry, they learned to swallow this very bitter pill for the good of thier families. I believe the idea of France joining the Axis is impossible and if tried would have resulted in another civil war in France (which would have aided the Allies).

[mike scholl 1]

ORIGINAL: flipperwasirish

ORIGINAL: mike scholl 1

Well, if you want to involve the French, you could postulate Vichy joining the Axis in reaction to Mers-el-Kibir. Having their fleet attacked by their former allies certainly pissed off a lot of Frenchmen.

Back in high school (mid 70's) my girlfriends Uncle and his family visited from France. I talked to her Uncle a few times about about how they felt (and lived) when Germany occupied the country during WWII. We touched upon GB's attack on the French fleet, yes, it made many people angry. But he explained that most people in his village knew the only hope for a decent future was if the USA and GB could defeat Germany. Even though they were angry, they learned to swallow this very bitter pill for the good of thier families. I believe the idea of France joining the Axis is impossible and if tried would have resulted in another civil war in France (which would have aided the Allies).

I agree 100%..., but it's the only event that even had some Frenchmen considering a pro-Axis stand, and therefor the best rationalization I could come up with to meet che200's needs.

[wworld7]

ORIGINAL: mike scholl 1
I agree 100%..., but it's the only event that even had some Frenchmen considering a pro-Axis stand, and therefor the best rationalization I could come up with to meet che200's needs.

Perhaps, but Germany finding Godzilla...perhaps in cavern near Berlin (note: It would of course be afraid of the water) and harnessing such a weapon allows it to dictate "conditions" to both France and Russia. Yet leaves England safe...with the exception that Rommel now gets to Cairo...

[mike scholl 1]

ORIGINAL: flipperwasirish
Perhaps, but Germany finding Godzilla...

Can you have Godzilla without nuclear testing [&:] I thought he was supposed to be a radiation byproduct?

[ChickenOfTheSea]

Perhaps the chaos in Europe leads to the rise of an independent and charismatic French warlord in Asia. He sides with the Japanese in order to preserve his own power and his own Asian kingdom. No need to make them collaborationists with the Germans.

[John 3rd]

Does anyone have the deployment dates for the U-Boats?  If we can get those, then I might be willing to take you up on the offer of the files and artwork.
 

[chesmart]

@Mike Mike looks interesting can i use it ?

@John I am looking around to find you the deployment dates.

Anybody wants to write a story line for Ultimate Axis Mod you are welcome

[mike scholl 1]

ORIGINAL: che200

@Mike Mike looks interesting can i use it ?

It's your mod. Feel free to use anything you want. I was just trying to make you aware that some of your originals were pretty far-fetched, or even impossible. I always thought it was easier for folks to buy into "story lines" that were at least semi-plausible.

[mikemike]

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

Does anyone have the deployment dates for the U-Boats?  If we can get those, then I might be willing to take you up on the offer of the files and artwork.

These are the boats I found that arrived at Japanese bases:

U511 (IXC) -> Ro500 7 Aug 1943 transferred to IJN at Kure

U168 (IXC/40) Penang 11 Nov 1943
U178 (IXD2) Penang 11 Nov 1943
U181 (IXD2) Penang 8 Aug 1944
U188 (IXC/40) Penang 30 Oct 1943
U195 (IXD1) Batavia 28 Dec 1944
U196 (IXD2) Penang 10 Aug 1944
U219 (XB minelayer used as transport sub) Batavia 11 Dec 1944
U510 (IXC) Penang 5 Apr 1944
U532 (IXC/40) Penang 30 Oct 1943
U537 (IXC/40) Batavia 2 Aug 1944
U1062 (VIIF: Torpedo transport) Penang 19 Apr 1944
U843 (IXC/40) Batavia 11 Jun 1944
U861 (IXD2) Penang 23 Sep 1944
U862 (IXD2) Penang 9 Sep 1944

Additionally, U859 (IXD2) sunk by HMS Trenchant approaching Penang 23 Sep 1944

This list may not be complete. There were also some Italian submarines on transport missions about which I didn't find closer informations. A number of other boats operated in the Indian Ocean region but never arrived at Japanese bases.

[John 3rd]

Nice work.  Keep it up Sir.
 

[mikemike]

ORIGINAL: che200

@Mike Mike looks interesting can i use it ?

Go right ahead. It's farfetched but more plausible than having "Vittorio Veneto" operate from Singapore.

BTW, the Italian colonial gunboat "Eritrea" escaped from Singapore after the Italian surrender and reached Ceylon, passing the Malacca Straits without being detected by Japanese forces.

[Dili]

Italians in East read it here: http://www.comandosupremo.com/Fareast.html

Torelli was the last "japanese" ship that downed an American plane in War.

[traskott]

Spanish troops even ?

Interesting...

If I read correct, it'll be done for play as japanese, not as allied, is it correct ?

[chesmart]

[blockquote]      It will be playable by both sides against AI and there will be 2 versions 1 Vs AI Japan with extra additions like HI , Naval Yards and Armament Factories plus supplies and fuel. I got this data from a thread where Andy Mac was explaining how to improve Japanese AI. The other version will be just the updated OOB, Ships and Aircraft which you can play VS Allied. The Vs Japanese one hopefully will have the AI script from AE edited.

Regarding Spanish troops I will be adding The "Condor" Legion. I got most of added Axis units Data and TOEs from Bubi Hartmann whose Mod War in the East is excellent. Thanks Bubi Your data was impeccable.
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[traskott]

The condor legion wasn't spanish. They were german troops at the Spanish Civil War? May be you mean the Blue Division ( 250º Heer Division ) ?

[chesmart]

Sorry yes the 250th Division "Blue" mixed it up.

The Axis OOB divisions will be based on the Africa Corps will have Rommel as the HQ leader with the Blue division plus Ariete Armoured Division, Alpini Mountain Division, Bersaglieri Division, German 1st Falshimmer Airborne, 21st Armoured Division and 1 SS division plus 3 infantry Divisions. This way you get an Army group that can be used for invasions in differant places. I will be adding as well some German and Italian APs for troop transport. I will edit the AI script (hopefully) to give a couple of nasty surprises.

Do you have any suggestions ?