Sadly it´s a PBEM this time. Wanted to make it better and got the worst possible outcome.
Two Divisions with Shock attack seems to be a good solution. Hitting hard and fast.
I bet it was the long time the enemy baseforces had to prepare all the destruction.
Imho it has NOTHING to do early or late attack, just with the enemy defense and the time the fighting lasts.
Don't worry I am in a PBEM with 5 players, and my day is coming, I already have an idea he is going to move some troops from Java to Palembang which will lead to a huge problem
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Mhh, then make sure to attack Palembang with enough power.
Maybe this will make things easier on Java later and avoid the logistical nightmare i face now.
Palembang is a festering sore for the Japanese player in the PBEM which I'm engaged, It's July 3rd and the Dutch with the help of 2 Indian Divisions from Singers and two Punjabs are still calling the place home. The only thing I know about Japanese Industry is I can't run it so I sent a PM to someone I thought could help me understand the effects of holding on, 2000 plus AV, with 5 forts in a #3 defensive hex plus plenty of supply is big trouble not to mention facilities are already damaged. My short term goal is one more month- last Combat Report at Palembang looked like this-
Ground combat at Palembang (48,91)
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 122004 troops, 1495 guns, 814 vehicles, Assault Value = 4065
Defending force 65265 troops, 818 guns, 449 vehicles, Assault Value = 2243
Assaulting units:
65th Brigade
38th Division
112th Infantry Regiment
Yokosuka 2nd SNLF
2nd Division
4th Division
11th Garrison Unit
5th Division
4th Tank Regiment
16th Division
56th Division
55th Cavalry Regiment
55th Engineer Regiment
143rd Infantry Regiment
Yokosuka 4th Battalion
124th Infantry Regiment
2nd Tank Regiment
48th Division
91st Naval Guard Unit
15th Army
3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
55th Mountain Gun Regiment
15th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
14th Army
16th Army
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
1st Medium Field Artillery Regiment
8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
3rd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion
1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment
2nd Mortar Battalion
18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
21st Medium Field Artillery Battalion
9th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
3rd Mortar Battalion
3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
10th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
5th Mortar Battalion
17th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
Defending units:
5/14th Punjab Battalion
WS KNIL Territory Regiment
Makassar Garrison Battalion
Barisan KNIL Regiment
11th Indian Division
1st KNIL Regiment
Riouw KNIL Battalion
2/15 Punjab Battalion
2nd KNIL Regiment
VII KNIL Battalion
West Borneo KNIL Battalion
2nd KNIL Landstorm Battalion
6th KNIL Regiment
Van Altena Battalion
Prajoda Garrison Battalion
4th KNIL Landstorm Battalion
Mobiele Eenheid Battalion
Dili Detachment
Marinier Battalion
Manado Garrison Battalion
1st KNIL Landstorm Battalion
4th KNIL Regiment
1st Regt Cavalerie
Zuid KNIL Battalion
So.Sumatra Garrison Battalion
Tjilatjap KNIL Battalion
3rd KNIL Landstorm Battalion
SE Borneo KNIL Battalion
9th Indian Division
1st KNIL AA Battalion
Batavia Base Force
3rd KNIL AA Battalion
Bandoeng Base Force
Balikpapan Base Force
Teloekbetoeng Base Force
North Java Base Force
North Borneo Base Force
South Java Base Force
Celebes Base Force
ML-KNIL
KNIL Army Command
Bintan Det. Base Force
Palembang Base Force
West Sumatra Base Force
Samarinda Base Force
ABDA
Bandjermasin Base Force
"There’s no such thing as a bitter person who keeps the bitterness to himself.” ~ Erwin Lutzer
That looks strange. I would not expect anything undamaged there....
With that many troops you should maybe try too cut him off from supply and then pound the Palembang airfield
as much as you can. That´s what i would try there.
Allied ground losses:
4369 casualties reported
Squads: 163 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 209 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 91 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 36 (36 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 87 (87 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 13
Units destroyed 1
Defeated Allied Units Retreating!
Assaulting units:
19th Ind. Engineer Regiment
38th Division
20th Ind. Engineer Regiment
2nd Mortar Battalion
9th Base Force
Defending units:
West Borneo KNIL Battalion
44th Indian Brigade
So.Sumatra Garrison Battalion
Riouw KNIL Battalion
1st Manchester Battalion
45th Indian Brigade
2nd Gordons Battalion
2nd Loyal Battalion
48th Gurkha Brigade
West Sumatra Base Force
24th NZ Pioneer Coy
North Borneo Base Force
Palembang Base Force
109th RN Base Force /1
if this is PBEM then your opponent aimed at destroying the facilities there in bringing extra units there. Don´t know if the AI would do something like that? While it´s "great" for the Allied, it´s actually "bad" for the game and it will rob both sides some fun IMO because without Palembang´s oil/fuel the Japanese are more or less screwed from day one.
My ongoing PBEM saw the Japanese taking everything everywhere completely intact IIRC.
Palembang is a festering sore for the Japanese player in the PBEM which I'm engaged, It's July 3rd and the Dutch with the help of 2 Indian Divisions from Singers and two Punjabs are still calling the place home. The only thing I know about Japanese Industry is I can't run it so I sent a PM to someone I thought could help me understand the effects of holding on, 2000 plus AV, with 5 forts in a #3 defensive hex plus plenty of supply is big trouble not to mention facilities are already damaged. My short term goal is one more month- last Combat Report at Palembang looked like this-
Ground combat at Palembang (48,91)
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 122004 troops, 1495 guns, 814 vehicles, Assault Value = 4065
Defending force 65265 troops, 818 guns, 449 vehicles, Assault Value = 2243
Assaulting units:
65th Brigade
38th Division
112th Infantry Regiment
Yokosuka 2nd SNLF
2nd Division
4th Division
11th Garrison Unit
5th Division
4th Tank Regiment
16th Division
56th Division
55th Cavalry Regiment
55th Engineer Regiment
143rd Infantry Regiment
Yokosuka 4th Battalion
124th Infantry Regiment
2nd Tank Regiment
48th Division
91st Naval Guard Unit
15th Army
3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
55th Mountain Gun Regiment
15th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
14th Army
16th Army
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
1st Medium Field Artillery Regiment
8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
3rd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion
1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment
2nd Mortar Battalion
18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
21st Medium Field Artillery Battalion
9th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
3rd Mortar Battalion
3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
10th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
5th Mortar Battalion
17th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
Defending units:
5/14th Punjab Battalion
WS KNIL Territory Regiment
Makassar Garrison Battalion
Barisan KNIL Regiment
11th Indian Division
1st KNIL Regiment
Riouw KNIL Battalion
2/15 Punjab Battalion
2nd KNIL Regiment
VII KNIL Battalion
West Borneo KNIL Battalion
2nd KNIL Landstorm Battalion
6th KNIL Regiment
Van Altena Battalion
Prajoda Garrison Battalion
4th KNIL Landstorm Battalion
Mobiele Eenheid Battalion
Dili Detachment
Marinier Battalion
Manado Garrison Battalion
1st KNIL Landstorm Battalion
4th KNIL Regiment
1st Regt Cavalerie
Zuid KNIL Battalion
So.Sumatra Garrison Battalion
Tjilatjap KNIL Battalion
3rd KNIL Landstorm Battalion
SE Borneo KNIL Battalion
9th Indian Division
1st KNIL AA Battalion
Batavia Base Force
3rd KNIL AA Battalion
Bandoeng Base Force
Balikpapan Base Force
Teloekbetoeng Base Force
North Java Base Force
North Borneo Base Force
South Java Base Force
Celebes Base Force
ML-KNIL
KNIL Army Command
Bintan Det. Base Force
Palembang Base Force
West Sumatra Base Force
Samarinda Base Force
ABDA
Bandjermasin Base Force
holy crap... don´t know how much fun this PBEM is in the end and you also have to wonder how realistic it would be to give up on Singapore without even trying to hold on while bringing everything to a Dutch place called Palembang. I guess not realistic at all. There are a couple of things in a PBEM that can be done that totally rob the fun for me. I want to fight it out over years, not for 4 months. That´s what the smaller scenarios are for and I have never touched them. But noone take it personally, to each his own I would say.
Yep, that´s true, Castor. But it´s a learning game with time limit. My opponent just shows me the difference
between a human player with some experience and the AI. And he explains what i should make better.
He already said if this would be a real game he would offer a restart. Nobody want a game like this.
Life as japan is already hard enough especially for newbies like me [:)]
That looks strange. I would not expect anything undamaged there....
With that many troops you should maybe try too cut him off from supply and then pound the Palembang airfield
as much as you can. That´s what i would try there.
I'm the allied player and have been getting hammered daily since Singapore fell lately it's been amped up and AAA nails some bombers every turn despite 14,000/15,000 ft attacks, I had over 700 fires there a week ago , I can't say I was hating it , I'm almost looking forward to eviction/surrender so I can see what is left of industry. It's been alot of fun for me.
"There’s no such thing as a bitter person who keeps the bitterness to himself.” ~ Erwin Lutzer
I have captured Palembang before with over 80 % damaged. I waited too long I think to go for it. Runing the Jap. economy was a bit more difficult because of that level of damage.
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@Sulu Sea
Fires are not allowed in my game [:D] except from naval bombardment (no strategic attacks yet).
I was close to a heart attack when i saw the fires after my own bombardment attack in preparation of the landing at Palembang.
From what i saw it destroyed nearly 50 refineries. But that was the only attack that caused fires from what i saw.
But i agree with Castor, a very unusual setup you guys have there. Is there a AAR to follow on this ? [X(]
I have captured Palembang before with over 80 % damaged. I waited too long I think to go for it. Runing the Jap. economy was a bit more difficult because of that level of damage.
for learning purpose:
1. When do you capture it ?
2. With what forces ?
3. Against what resistence ?
4. How long lasted the fight ?
holy crap... don´t know how much fun this PBEM is in the end and you also have to wonder how realistic it would be to give up on Singapore without even trying to hold on while bringing everything to a Dutch place called Palembang. I guess not realistic at all. There are a couple of things in a PBEM that can be done that totally rob the fun for me. I want to fight it out over years, not for 4 months. That´s what the smaller scenarios are for and I have never touched them. But noone take it personally, to each his own I would say.
Last time I moved no LCUs at all from Singers and lost the place in 4 days despite changing to the best leaders, I like to play with an historical feel but also would like to think that agreements could be made to slow the onslaught and save India/Austrailia from invasion. Although you stated I "brought everything " from Singers to Palembang which is false what I brought has provided a cushion for building up for a possible seige elsewhere. In my opinion the Japanese side has the initative and you have to put up speed bumps when or where you can.
"There’s no such thing as a bitter person who keeps the bitterness to himself.” ~ Erwin Lutzer
In the PBEM games I've played as the Allies, I always want to see some damage at Palembang, but I'm always happy to see it if the damage is not too much. I want my Japanese opponents to be able to put up a fight a year down the road and not have to keep all their ships in port due to a lack of fuel.
holy crap... don´t know how much fun this PBEM is in the end and you also have to wonder how realistic it would be to give up on Singapore without even trying to hold on while bringing everything to a Dutch place called Palembang. I guess not realistic at all. There are a couple of things in a PBEM that can be done that totally rob the fun for me. I want to fight it out over years, not for 4 months. That´s what the smaller scenarios are for and I have never touched them. But noone take it personally, to each his own I would say.
Last time I moved no LCUs at all from Singers and lost the place in 4 days despite changing to the best leaders, I like to play with an historical feel but also would like to think that agreements could be made to slow the onslaught and save India/Austrailia from invasion. Although you stated I "brought everything " from Singers to Palembang which is false what I brought has provided a cushion for building up for a possible seige elsewhere. In my opinion the Japanese side has the initative and you have to put up speed bumps when or where you can.
yeah, everything is of course an exageration, forget the everything and replace it with what you´ve brought there. I guess in real life, the divs would then be moved to Java to defend that place if you want to see some agreement between the Dutch and British (if for some reason Singapore would be lost) but not to Palembang to defend the oil rigs, or more game whise speaken, to "destroy" the oil/refineries there. Like I´ve said, no critism here, to each his own while I wouldn´t do it to have a "better" campaigin in the end. I have seen people sending all their carriers on a kamikaze raid to take out Palembang´s and Borneo´s oilfields while losing all carriers, also destroying most of the oil. A disaster for the Japanese (they lost immediately without oil) and a war winner for the Allied. But having a dozen carriers sunk to do it? I found it, let´s say, strange. If you invade Palembang as the Allied sometime in 44 that´s one thing, denying the Japanese of all oil in 42 already doesn´t seem to be a good idea to me if you want to have an interesting campaign for four years. Just my 2c.
there was a thread on this I started in WITP war room, on 3-31-08. I'm guessing the process hasn't changed much in AE. There was some posts by Uamaga that suggested he either knew the code or was entirely making up a really elaborate hoax.
Basically he claimed that there's a 33% chance Japan captures it intact no matter what. After that there's a lot of benefit to making sure the allies are disrupted. Beyond that, take a look at his formula. It was more complicated than I cared about really
I am Seille's opponent. [:D] I loaded the small Allied units at Singapore and unloaded at Palembang rather than just have them run away empty. I had transport planes bring in some more Dutch units. The big influx of units was sending most of the "at sea" brigades from near India to Sumatra. Normally, I don't sent the brigades here, but since it is a learning game, I thought I would see what would happen. I can still learn lessons even though most of it has been going towards Seille. We have plans to play till March/April 42 before starting a complete campaign game. There were less than 100 engineers and less than 10 engineer vehicles there.
@ny59giants
That lesson at Palembang was unnecessary hard. [:'(]
The first thing i looked at after i saw in the replay the good news Palembang is japanese was the damage there.
The shock when i saw this you can´t imagine.....
holy crap... don´t know how much fun this PBEM is in the end and you also have to wonder how realistic it would be to give up on Singapore without even trying to hold on while bringing everything to a Dutch place called Palembang. I guess not realistic at all. There are a couple of things in a PBEM that can be done that totally rob the fun for me. I want to fight it out over years, not for 4 months. That´s what the smaller scenarios are for and I have never touched them. But noone take it personally, to each his own I would say.
Last time I moved no LCUs at all from Singers and lost the place in 4 days despite changing to the best leaders, I like to play with an historical feel but also would like to think that agreements could be made to slow the onslaught and save India/Austrailia from invasion. Although you stated I "brought everything " from Singers to Palembang which is false what I brought has provided a cushion for building up for a possible seige elsewhere. In my opinion the Japanese side has the initative and you have to put up speed bumps when or where you can.
yeah, everything is of course an exageration, forget the everything and replace it with what you´ve brought there. I guess in real life, the divs would then be moved to Java to defend that place if you want to see some agreement between the Dutch and British (if for some reason Singapore would be lost) but not to Palembang to defend the oil rigs, or more game whise speaken, to "destroy" the oil/refineries there. Like I´ve said, no critism here, to each his own while I wouldn´t do it to have a "better" campaigin in the end. I have seen people sending all their carriers on a kamikaze raid to take out Palembang´s and Borneo´s oilfields while losing all carriers, also destroying most of the oil. A disaster for the Japanese (they lost immediately without oil) and a war winner for the Allied. But having a dozen carriers sunk to do it? I found it, let´s say, strange. If you invade Palembang as the Allied sometime in 44 that´s one thing, denying the Japanese of all oil in 42 already doesn´t seem to be a good idea to me if you want to have an interesting campaign for four years. Just my 2c.
Hey , I have to applaud the chivalry although your tactics sound more like Percival than fighting men I admire.
I bought out troops and moved them in theatre just as people do in every game. Of course there are tradeoffs for every tactic applied in this game, it cost me ships , airframes and tradeoffs at other locations.
If my opponent who seems like a great guy has an issue with motivation to play this game if things go south on him or feels he's learned lessons he can apply more readily against future opponents I wouldn't have any negative feelings if he told me he's had enough because of the situation.
"There’s no such thing as a bitter person who keeps the bitterness to himself.” ~ Erwin Lutzer
What influences the damage at a location like Palembang?
Attacks by the Attackers?
Attacks by the Defenders?
Air Attacks (on particular targets?)?
Naval Bombardments?
For example if the Japanese had moved a couple of units into the city and the allies attcked them, would it have damaged the city? Every tactic should have a counter..
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