New game of WAW U2 ( Bono V.) version

[cveta]

March 1940
2nd round was see wictory for Germany. Germany sink what remains of old English ships, and we spoted 1 DD1 runing to Manchester. 4 subs attack him, he retreted. Then second attack was ordered, and he run again. On the third battle we sink him, but he sink one of our subs. I belive that Mr. Churchill will give a medal to captain of this DD1. Now we must found thouse new ships and sink them all. And I wonder did Mr. big cigar recive any DDII from Canada?
Sarajevo taken, defenders pushed all the way to suburbs of Belgarde. Macedonian corps spoted near Skopje. I beliuve tht this unit will tray to suroun and cut our narrow line of advance.

[kondor]

"And I wonder did Mr. big cigar recive any DDII from Canada?"
Nope, nothing arrived yet!

Tito's army is fighting well, Germans insisted attacking on winter which is a good thing for me[;)] , no air cover, limited advance by enemy troops and lots of casulties...

On all other fronts nothing much. Subs have started disrupting trade routes in Atlantic, ASW units are being built and we will deal with this soon.
It seems that new factory of Paulaner beer is online near Berlin, that will boost enemy morale and we will have to bomb that one soon![:)]

[Josh]

Paulaner beer! [&o]

Don't bomb it! Such a waste. [:(]

[Cindra]

ORIGINAL: cveta

March 1940
2nd round was see wictory for Germany. Germany sink what remains of old English ships, and we spoted 1 DD1 runing to Manchester. 4 subs attack him, he retreted. Then second attack was ordered, and he run again. On the third battle we sink him, but he sink one of our subs. I belive that Mr. Churchill will give a medal to captain of this DD1. Now we must found thouse new ships and sink them all. And I wonder did Mr. big cigar recive any DDII from Canada?
Sarajevo taken, defenders pushed all the way to suburbs of Belgarde. Macedonian corps spoted near Skopje. I beliuve tht this unit will tray to suroun and cut our narrow line of advance.

It seams to me that General Cveta is enjoing his sea victory's just a little to much for my taste.[:-]
Is it because he knows it's probably his last one, or because he is beating the heel out of his DEER friend.[:D]

[kondor]

I am outraged! That mustache ass.... invaded France! As we played historical w. blitz I couldn't do nothing to stop his opening move. Lille fell in turn one, good play by Goran...

Paratroopers landed on the cities south and west of Paris. So I just evacuated few riffleman from Marseille to the MED.

Channel is largly blocked with enemy subs, but I did retreat few units + FT-s to London.
As Calais city garrison last week went to a picnic they are outside the city. I called them back but they refused and said that I must be crazy, no invasion is under way hik! Leave us the fu.. alone, our wine is getting warm you old far... we are on the leave! And then the line went silent... (I cannot even strat. trans. those guys so I pressume it's a bug).

Spot a hole in a Sigfried line, punched through and now I am admiring Frankfurt from near by[;)]+ Luxemburg is retaken in a hard battle. It seems that Franch are not just skirt chasers afterall! [:D]

What I could do if Hitler left me just a few tanks... But he elimenated all 4 LT in opening attack...

France will not hold for long... but I will try to inflict as much as damage as possible!

[british exil]

(I cannot even strat. trans. those guys so I pressume it's a bug

From the looks of things, it appears that the Hq that is to do the strat movement has no direct line to the unit, as it seems to be cut by the enemy forces. Calais is cut off from the supply line.

So it might not be a bug, but just as the programmers planed it. Sorry.

Mat

[cveta]

Well - Lille was taken on 1st turn and Italy is still neutral. Is this a bug? I belive so, and my effort to take the city in first turn so I may attack Engliah in Mediteranean while their ships are scattered wont work. Bad luck. I hope that Italia will wake next turn.
Belgrade taken. No casulties in a process so at the end I may say that Yugoslav campaign was a sucess. West menage to withrow some rifles near Albania.
2nd turn in France sow some heawy fighting. Also - English ships spoted and we attack them by our surface ships and few subs. Battle last for 1 round only and 3 DD2 went down. To bad we didnot have greter range. Callaise taken, and RR to Marseile taken so. I reach Paris suburbs so there is a chance that France troops in Maginot line will be out of suplay.
Here are the kill results for 2nd turn in France.

[rjh1971]

No bug Goran, Explorer changed the fall of Lile for the fall of Paris for Italy to join Germany.

[kondor]

ORIGINAL: british exil

(I cannot even strat. trans. those guys so I pressume it's a bug

From the looks of things, it appears that the Hq that is to do the strat movement has no direct line to the unit, as it seems to be cut by the enemy forces. Calais is cut off from the supply line.

So it might not be a bug, but just as the programmers planed it. Sorry.

Mat

I don't think so, you can see that Calais is NOT cut off from supply. Paris and Calais are mine, and only unit in between them is my stuck city garrison..

[cveta]

ORIGINAL: rjh1971

No bug Goran, Explorer changed the fall of Lile for the fall of Paris for Italy to join Germany.

If this is a change also then I must admit that changes on this version were done but the job was not finished. I read brifing in the game to remember the things and facts. I read the messages that comes in the game. And if this are incorect then it affects the game. So on my point of wiev - when author change something it should be written in a briffing of the game, not on the forum.
I read the forum. I read the changes. But we have more than 1.000.000 version of WAW game ( and all are done in the best will ) but it is a hard to track the changes. So I kindly ask that people write the changes in the briffing, and change the message according to the events.
If I am wrong about this, and I again miss a thing ( as I am did alredy few tims ) I am realy sorry. But this game is exelent. It last long time ( weaks, and much more ) and it is sad that a mistake are make becouse of few wrong written sentences. It makes all the good things look bad

In game 1 ( you know rjh1971 what version is that ) kondor recived wetern blic card in 1943.
In other version Azores act as nation? Bulgaria stay neutral during whole game? No Italian ships at all? Italian will join the Axis but a little later, Units that cannot be moved, transported and ect...... Every version I played has some bugs, and the changes should fix the bugs, not add more.
So - all in all, great game. Fantastic scenatio. Well balanced. Big work, but not finished.
It is not my intention to insult anybady. All of the peoples that did some changes did great job. I am to stupid, to lasy and too greter fan of the Axis to make any kind of scenario to be playable and ballanced. Maybe I should keep my mouth shut?

[kondor]

Agreed, changes on each version have to be written somewhere, best in the word file& forum...

Last turn London recieved brand new CV II, I called it Illustrious! To bad that it came without CAG-s, stereo, leather captain chair and other important stuff... To bad that it came far from my navy and in a area swimming with enemy subs...[:-]

I decided to put models of the CAG-s on the flight deck to scare Kriegsmarine as I sailed out towards York... I did not have range to enter the city itself, but have parked outside.
All of mine British produced DD-s II went into protecting that CV + all of mine CAG-s went to York/Edinburogh.
Ofcourse that Kriegsmarine attacked! But I was lucky that most of the wolfpacks are somewhere near Canada I pressume... Illustrious manage to survive the fight, but the esort was not so lucky... few destoyers down and a few enemy subs went with them.

But Kriegsmarine was not able to retreat after the battle[:)]
So this turn fierce sea battles occured, in a first wave CAG-s from my CV-s and from York/Edinb. attacked. Kamikaze stile I am affraid[8|]... They manage to take most of the GE surface ships, and my navy cleared the rest...
I was feeling bold so orders where given to take out another smaller bunch of underwater buckets called subs. First with few remaining CAG-s and finish them off with DD-s.

My navy did a great job this turn, and lots of enemy ships are destroyed. They deserve an R&R...

To make Goran Sealion more tempting, I build another factory of cigars near Manchester... Let the name Rolls Royce engine plant does not fool you. It is only a cigar factory![:D]

In France counterattacks went bad, and Paris will go down soon.

[cveta]

With Kriegsmarine down Sub comanders decide to avange our dead sailors. All of them sail at top speed toward York only to discover that Tommies sail to York port. Only 3 BB were left outside of the port. And we sink them. Then comabo raid on the docks are ordered. And attack went wrong. In the blodiest night ever docks of York were burning with oil and fuel. 12 of our subs went down. And they score only one hit. Now the rest of the subs will go down in the morning, when Tommies attack back.
In France - Germany score wictory taking Paris, kiling number of France sildiers and surounding others. France campaign was over. Yugoslav campaign was over. Now it is a time for Greece. And preparations for Su. And since See lion will be prosponded Germany is preparing for a air battle of England.
 
I cannot explain how did I du such stopid move. But I was greedy. I saw 2 cariers in a port, with few DD. I was thinking that carier air wont do so much demage. And I was hoping that Carier air will go down if I sink Carriers. So can somebady explain - will carier air go down if they are positioned on carrier wich was destroyed and carrier is in town?

[explorer2]

ORIGINAL: cveta
If this is a change also then I must admit that changes on this version were done but the job was not finished. I read brifing in the game to remember the things and facts. I read the messages that comes in the game. And if this are incorect then it affects the game. So on my point of wiev - when author change something it should be written in a briffing of the game, not on the forum.
I read the forum. I read the changes. But we have more than 1.000.000 version of WAW game ( and all are done in the best will ) but it is a hard to track the changes. So I kindly ask that people write the changes in the briffing, and change the message according to the events.

When you download the scenario, in the scenario description it states please read list of changes at tm.asp?m=2093130&mpage=1&key=?

I try to follow AARs and remind people to check for changes, but really, is that my responsibility?

Regarding the complaints about the Briefing and the messages - Hope this doesn't sound like a rant or a sympathy plea, but I feel like a response is necessary now.

a) Briefing: Vic has hard coded a limited number of characters for the briefing. To put everything for this complex game in the Briefing, due to that limitation, is impossible. This is why I also created a separate file for the Briefing. BUT, even with a separate file, this game has innumerable parts that affect other parts. I am sorry, but I do not always remember where I have put a statement about something in the admittedly complex briefing (even the separate one), so YES, I do miss changing the separate Briefing sometimes when I make a game change. To read the entire briefing - both of them - each time a change is made, in order to ensure 100% accuracy all the time would take far more time than I have to give to the game. BUT ALL changes are always listed in the site mentioned before hand.

b) Messages: Again, the game is quite complex. There are currently 171 "events" in the game. Some have as few as 10 lines of code, some as many as 363 lines. There is NO search function in the editor. (That would save SO much time and trouble). I have to try to remember all the interlocking events and messages. And this isn't even counting the action cards! So yes, I absolutely forget to change ALL the messages that might be affected by one change. I would love to be more accurate and remember every single message all over the game and how they all interrelate. That would be in the thousands I think. I don't. I apologize for any inconvenience it causes. I understand how difficult it is to put many many hours into a plan and have it not work because you missed a rule or a change or something. But again, All changes are posted on the forum.

Finally, I find that many many players ask me questions about things that are already clearly and accurately stated in both briefings. I almost always respond anyway. From my experience, those questions, which could be answered without even reading the changes list, IMHO are far more than the number of times I have not changed all the game messages or all the Briefing references when a game change occurs.

Again, I understand that my mistakes can cause frustrations, but I also believe that very many frustrations could be avoided by reading the forum list of changes and the entire briefing carefully. I would have great fun creating a much expanded briefing, I believe it is needed, but my time is limited.

Finally, I do my best to avoid mistakes, but I know I make them. I can't honestly say that I will do any better in the future than I am currently doing. Sometimes I read the Briefing something 3 times completely and still miss something. When mistakes of this nature are demonstrated, I do try to change them extremely quickly.

[kondor]

It would be nice to post a list of changes in Mods and scenario topic in a manner that would be easy to find... (disregard that, found it after following your link[;)])
As I see now there are topics for WaW ver R and T, but not U. (I am in a hurry so might be wrong).

On the other hand I must commend explorer for exceptional work he and Tom ofcourse have put into this mods.[&o] You guys are doing your best and all we do is complain-this does not work, that is wrong etc.
That must be frustrating for you![8|]
Don't take us to serious, accept our gratitude and know that we complain because we always want better/more! It's in a human nature...

Again thanks and I can only hope that you will continue efforts for improving this scenario... If not-ok, it's fun now![;)]

[82ndtrooper]

ORIGINAL: cveta

With Kriegsmarine down Sub comanders decide to avange our dead sailors. All of them sail at top speed toward York only to discover that Tommies sail to York port. Only 3 BB were left outside of the port. And we sink them. Then comabo raid on the docks are ordered. And attack went wrong. In the blodiest night ever docks of York were burning with oil and fuel. 12 of our subs went down. And they score only one hit. Now the rest of the subs will go down in the morning, when Tommies attack back.
In France - Germany score wictory taking Paris, kiling number of France sildiers and surounding others. France campaign was over. Yugoslav campaign was over. Now it is a time for Greece. And preparations for Su. And since See lion will be prosponded Germany is preparing for a air battle of England.

I cannot explain how did I du such stopid move. But I was greedy. I saw 2 cariers in a port, with few DD. I was thinking that carier air wont do so much demage. And I was hoping that Carier air will go down if I sink Carriers. So can somebady explain - will carier air go down if they are positioned on carrier wich was destroyed and carrier is in town?

This is an interesting question.
If the carrier is at sea and sunk then yes the planes will die also but only after all the combat is over and they look for a place to land.

however

if in a port I dont know if the planes will die if the carrier is sunk. It may be that they will look for a place to land and since the carrier was in a hex that they can also land in they may survive and just land in that hex.

It depends on if the planes are looking for just the carrier to land on or if they are looking at the hex they started on and if they can land in that hex.

we will need someone like Tom or Vic to answer that question.

[kondor]

I believe that in this game all CAG-s go down with the ship- if CV is destroyed, CAG-s are to, even if the CV is anchored in port... Illogical and kind of dumb if you ask me, but another thing that you get used to...
Correct me if I am wrong on this one as I am not sure.[;)]

Also would be nice to make your own compliment of planes on carrier. At least two groups, let's say one sea scout group+1 carrier air (respecting number of planes possible on CV as is now... CV I- 2planes, CV II- 7 planes? etc...) but then WA would be to strong...[:'(].

[cveta]

ORIGINAL: explorer2

When you download the scenario, in the scenario description it states please read list of changes at tm.asp?m=2093130&mpage=1&key=?

I try to follow AARs and remind people to check for changes, but really, is that my responsibility?

Regarding the complaints about the Briefing and the messages - Hope this doesn't sound like a rant or a sympathy plea, but I feel like a response is necessary now.

a) Briefing: Vic has hard coded a limited number of characters for the briefing. To put everything for this complex game in the Briefing, due to that limitation, is impossible. This is why I also created a separate file for the Briefing. BUT, even with a separate file, this game has innumerable parts that affect other parts. I am sorry, but I do not always remember where I have put a statement about something in the admittedly complex briefing (even the separate one), so YES, I do miss changing the separate Briefing sometimes when I make a game change. To read the entire briefing - both of them - each time a change is made, in order to ensure 100% accuracy all the time would take far more time than I have to give to the game. BUT ALL changes are always listed in the site mentioned before hand.

b) Messages: Again, the game is quite complex. There are currently 171 "events" in the game. Some have as few as 10 lines of code, some as many as 363 lines. There is NO search function in the editor. (That would save SO much time and trouble). I have to try to remember all the interlocking events and messages. And this isn't even counting the action cards! So yes, I absolutely forget to change ALL the messages that might be affected by one change. I would love to be more accurate and remember every single message all over the game and how they all interrelate. That would be in the thousands I think. I don't. I apologize for any inconvenience it causes. I understand how difficult it is to put many many hours into a plan and have it not work because you missed a rule or a change or something. But again, All changes are posted on the forum.

Finally, I find that many many players ask me questions about things that are already clearly and accurately stated in both briefings. I almost always respond anyway. From my experience, those questions, which could be answered without even reading the changes list, IMHO are far more than the number of times I have not changed all the game messages or all the Briefing references when a game change occurs.

Again, I understand that my mistakes can cause frustrations, but I also believe that very many frustrations could be avoided by reading the forum list of changes and the entire briefing carefully. I would have great fun creating a much expanded briefing, I believe it is needed, but my time is limited.

Finally, I do my best to avoid mistakes, but I know I make them. I can't honestly say that I will do any better in the future than I am currently doing. Sometimes I read the Briefing something 3 times completely and still miss something. When mistakes of this nature are demonstrated, I do try to change them extremely quickly.

I am sorry if my complaints souns rude. It was not my intention. As I sed - I am too stupid to understand scenario creations. Dont have a time or will to even tray. I am a player only, not a creator. And I belive that when somebady create scenario it is becouse players may play it. So to make your life misserable we give you back up of the scenario created. Sometimes it souns lik - great job. But sometimes it sound like - great job, but .....
And this .... stands for bugs, and mistakes.
Also - lots of people by games for PC to play them, not to read the rules. Personaly I almost never read the rules of a game. I play it and learn thru game. I belive it is the funniest way of exploring things of each game. At is realy compleks, nice and exelent game to play against human oponents.
I belve that it is not much if I ask for more accurate briffings. I know that Tom, you and others that create scenario spend a lot of time and effort so others may play. And I am gratefull for that, but WAW scenario simply have too mach changes for a player to follow it. After all - look at the size of the forum and all the versions that are done. It take maybe more time to read all the changes and undone chages that were done than maybe create a new one.
And thanks for all the answers you and other creators send to us by pm.
I wont complain anymore ( I hope so ). And again - I am thankfull for all the effort you did. I understand that creation of scenario is hard work but also I give myselve a right to talk about changes and complain to things wich are not done so well.
And maybe I am the only one with so bad luck - but in 3 of 5 WAW games I have bugs that influence nation I was playing and on other 2 same happened to some other players.
So back to game now

[kondor]

Back to game.
I am applying my foe last catastrophic attack on York port, after that my forces cleaned up rest of subs waiting outside to be bombed[:D].

Then I sent all my LB-s to bomb Oslo. 7 went in 3 returned... That coastal fortress+1 imobile flak are very good...[:-].

Spoted long range tranport near Norway and sent DD strike force to deal with it... It was full![:D]
Tried bombing Bergen with CAG-s, but no effect!
Paris is down, Boston has came online...

China plays next!

[srndac]

cveta:

Srndac - is a name of one of the forum frends but it means a dear in Croatian

cindra:

Is it because he knows it's probably his last one, or because he is beating the heel out of his DEER friend.

You people have GOT to improve your English! I only just noticed you mixed up deer (furry mammal with horns that lives in the woods and makes a great stew) with dear (something you tell your wife - usually when you forget to put down the toilet seat again ...)!
I mean seriously ... next thing I know, people will start calling me Captain Darling over here ... SPEL IT RITE FER CRISSAKE! [:D]

cheers!

P.S. "Darling? Funny name for a guy isn't it? Last person I called darling was pregnant 5 seconds later!" - Captain Flasheart.

[cveta]

Darling - dont be mad. It is not my mistake. Look at the funny words in this funny language.
Deer - dear
Beer - bear
.....
 
Who knows is this tip feller or I mispell the word.
 
And sometimes people call deer dear. So it sounds like dear deer come here. Dear, dear deer. [:D]
 
Darling - is is not a funny name for a guy. Depend on what side are you lookig from.