ASW: Any tactics to localize?

[Spearfish]

ORIGINAL: koelbach

Spearfish,

looks like you are really surprised.

You are right!

ORIGINAL: koelbach

The others have opinions, he is right.

I see.

ORIGINAL: koelbach

Don´t waste your time on correcting this plagarised stuff, that database is a cheap copy of db2000 and HUD, nothing more.

What plagiarized stuff??? [&:]

ORIGINAL: koelbach

Help improve original stuff. Focus on HUD 3 and ANW DB.

I'll look at them a bit tomorrow. However it is too bad because I have already made many fixes to my personal copy of PlayersDB with database editor... [:(]

[Anonymous]

Spearfish,

search this site for older threads where the warfaresims staff (ex-HHQ = Harpoon Headquarters; one of them is Ragnar Emsoy, editor of the db2000) showed things via screenshots from original and copy. Or go for gamesquad where the same discussion and screenshots were published. Or go to warfaresims, maybe there are those threads in the Harpoon section. Or search here for the "Installation Issue" brought up by Bucks aka Darren Buckley, editor of HUD 3.

Another nice catch is to compare the PDB scen "Iranhattan Project" of the EU4 Battleset with "Iranian Weapons of Mass Destruction", the latter one being the original written for db2000 (you can find it at WarfareSims). This one is like a snaphsot. Come to your own conclusions.

Or don´t spend your time on this (Ragnar, Darren and others invested much time to make things clear in the foras) and simply enjoy your Harpoon. It is your free time.

[Vincenzo_Beretta]

Spearfish,

the gist of the "plagiarism" accusations is, basically, this: if in your database you put 2 x Mh26 missile launchers on a "Ticonderoga" class cruiser, and other databases do the same, you are "plagiarizing" them.

search this site for older threads where the warfaresims staff (ex-HHQ = Harpoon Headquarters; one of them is Ragnar Emsoy, editor of the db2000

To be clear, Raganar is the one who mantained his database so badly that it made scenarios written for it crash - as shown in the link I provided above. This led to the decision to create another, more stable, database. Amazingly enough, this database contained, too, data about modern aeronaval warfare platforms. This led to the sort of accusations I mentioned before.

Or don´t spend your time on this (Ragnar, Darren and others invested much time to make things clear in the foras)

Without managing the feat, I might add.

[Anonymous]

Vincenzo,

Ragnar maintained his database so brilliantly that it became the de facto standard for Harpoon 2 and later Harpoon 3. It was the perfect combination of db2000 and H 3.6 that made H3 really strong.

You know that the issue is not about that you have an F-15 Eagle in all databases. The issue is about that 1:1 copying down even to the unit IDs in the database. A classical copy and paste.

This leads us to nothing. We waste our time since we will never agree on this subject.

Let´s enjoy the weekend.

[mikmykWS]

Guess the C Squad's a little scared about whats coming eh? [:D]

Looking forward to a big release. Never know could be here [;)]

[Spearfish]

Well, I have just ended reading through this and other Harpoon related forums and I am very confused and disappointed! There were flame wars, plagiarism and scenario destruction accusations in the past and now Harpoon community is so divided if not dead. Every side claims different things: Harpoon3 ANW is full of bugs or is pretty good, these and those databases are buggy etc. It looks like some idiocy but both hermanhum and ex-HHQ guys compiled large ANW buglists but also accuse each other their databases are bugfests causing game to crash. At the end ex-HHQ folks begun to code completely new game.

I am not really interested in deliberating about flame wars but I am afraid about Harpoon 3 future in present circumstances... [:(]

[Spearfish]

ORIGINAL: koelbach

Ragnar maintained his database so brilliantly that it became the de facto standard for Harpoon 2 and later Harpoon 3. It was the perfect combination of db2000 and H 3.6 that made H3 really strong.

I am curios if DB2000 works also with Harpoon 3 ANW. I downloaded it and it seems to be readable in ANW database editor, also HHQ scenarios load successfully. Yet I don't know what about full playability because I did not have time to test it long enough.

[uncleharpoon]

Folks

We will stop the plagiarism discussion here. No one is going to win this debate. We all have our opinions but Matrix has made it clear that we will NOT be debating this here.

If you want to help the game, then please do so in a positive way.

[Nebogipfel]

Hi Spearfish,

the future of harpoon could be a dark one, where only some hardcores will call each other names. Most new gamers won´t like this situation and disappear asap.

If you did read some of the links, you´re able to build your own opinion of the history and situation in the harpoon community.

I think one thing that would defenitly help, would be a product with decreased number of bugs. So it wouldn´t be neccessary to play a special database to have a stable game. So one part of the discussion could be sorted out.

So all we can do is hope, that 3.10 will eliminate some of the bigger issues, so that the scenario designer can focus on for example the linked mission feature, instead of wasting their time with work around solutions.

Anyway have fun

[Spearfish]

Major issues, minor issues...here we are more basic problem: "What is bug and what isn't..."

[Nebogipfel]

Honestly,

I do not notice most of them, cause I´m kind of stupid that way. [:D]

But ctd´s for example bother me.

[Anonymous]

Spearfish,

ORIGINAL: Spearfish

Major issues, minor issues...here we are more basic problem: "What is bug and what isn't..."

This all depends on how YOU define it. If you have fun with ANW then it is ok for you. If you are interested in that 3.6 vs. ANW (3.7 onwards) discussion you can buy the Ultimate Edition and thus have the possibility to compare them.

But if ANW works well for you - just enjoy. 3.9.4 IMO is rock solid, well playable and the database decision is yours.

If you think you should try something new, with a modern GUI, try GCB2 or wait for Red Pill.

The name of the game is Naval Warfare Sim and YOU decide which tool fits best your style of doing it.

[Spearfish]

ORIGINAL: koelbach

This all depends on how YOU define it. If you have fun with ANW then it is ok for you. If you are interested in that 3.6 vs. ANW (3.7 onwards) discussion you can buy the Ultimate Edition and thus have the possibility to compare them.

I am not competent enough to judge what Harpoon game is better because I did not play other versions so far. Yet I suppose many of those differences may be very subtle.

ORIGINAL: koelbach
But if ANW works well for you - just enjoy. 3.9.4 IMO is rock solid, well playable and the database decision is yours.

I am glad to hear some positive opinion about H3 ANW after reading all this past flame. [:)]

However as for databases issue: PlayersDB is...do not talk more about it and H3 ANW is not supported by DB2000 as I read on HHQ website. So I think only ANWDB and HUD3 databases remain open to consideration for H3 ANW now.

ORIGINAL: koelbach
If you think you should try something new, with a modern GUI, try GCB2 or wait for Red Pill.

Now GCB2 is still in beta stage after seven years of development, Red Pill exists only in form of screenshots on WarfareSims webpage.

ORIGINAL: koelbach
The name of the game is Naval Warfare Sim and YOU decide which tool fits best your style of doing it.

Do you mean some of these productions: http://www.navalwarfare.org/

[Vincenzo_Beretta]

ORIGINAL: Spearfish
I am glad to hear some positive opinion about H3 ANW after reading all this past flame. [:)]

Don't worry about the flames - they are endemic My only advice is: always check by yourself before taking things at face value. There is a lot of hot air and baseless slander going around in this community. It would be better if things were different - who would dispute that? But once you know it, it is easy to discern geese from ducks [:)]

[hermanhum]

ORIGINAL: Nebogipfel

But ctd´s for example bother me.

They bother me, too. But, to be honest, they are not even the worst problems on the List of Known ANW Issues). A CTD means a re-start from an old save while most of the other problems will plague the player throughout the game. [:(]

I absolutely want to see this game fixed. However, I will not squander a single second or cent on a supposed de-bugging process that is an exercise in pure futility by only reporting bugs via specific (buggy) databases.

I see that AGSI officialdom now follows this forum closely, so I know that this message will be read (even if it isn't understood):
[blockquote]AGSI,

You have wasted 6 years on ANW and it only gets worse and buggier with each subsequent release. The development process has always been conducted under 'the AGSI way' [which is always the same no matter how often you 're-organize' it].

When are you finally going to realize and accept that 'the AGSI way' simply does not work and be willing to explore other avenues?[/blockquote]

[uncleharpoon]

Mr. Hum

That's just plain rude, and to do so right after we reminded folks to stop the plagiarism attacks.

I really don't see why you remain here, maybe you should share your wisdom with another naval game community.

[hermanhum]

If you found it rude, then you have my sincerest apologies.  That was not my intent.  I only wish to find a way around the current situation and problems.

Can we even agree that things are not working?  Is there even the possibility of recognizing that as a start?

p.s.  Yes, thank you for enforcing the Matrix standards in that discussion.  It was much appreciated.

[Anonymous]

Don,

ORIGINAL: uncleharpoon

Mr. Hum

That's just plain rude, and to do so right after we reminded folks to stop the plagiarism attacks.

I really don't see why you remain here, maybe you should share your wisdom with another naval game community.

You certainly know that those other communities are not waiting for him. [;)]

His perspective is to spam here or alone in the HarPlonk dark.

[Anonymous]

ORIGINAL: hermanhum

[...]

Can we even agree that things are not working? 

[...]

hehe...that´s plainly brilliant: the guy is whistling in the dark forest, feeling the cold. And now begging the OWNER of Harpoon to tell that ... Harpoon is not working.

[:D]

[Anonymous]

@ Spearfish,

regarding some options you have:

1. GCB2

I think you refer to the old GCB when talking about seven years of development. GCB2 is another effort which makes good improvements IMO.

Link:
http://www.gcblue.com/phpBB3/viewforum. ... 45d60e9807

You can get V 1.12 there. It has a wonderful GUI, action is fast and furious. V 1.14 will come in a few months I think according to dewitt´s statements. 1.14 will bring a much enhanced database, many improvements and several new scens you might like.

2. Fleet Command

Oldie but goldie so to say. Good, rather modern GUI. Price is only 9.99 USD, the current NWP update 19.01 is for free, giving a much enhanced database and countless improvements. This one is still alive and has a solid community. The main problem seem to be hardware issues with nvidia graphics adapters and Win 7 compatibility issues.

http://forums.navalwarfare.net/forumdis ... 7f9154&f=9

3. Red Pill

Look at the screenshots and the discussions over there. Real pros, on their way creating maybe the ultimate naval warfare sim. I´m sure they´ll make it, those are the guys who brought H2 through the dark times to H3, in close teamwork with H3 coder Jesse Spears. These are the guys who created db2000 and tons of high end scens for it.

http://forums.navalwarfare.net/forumdis ... 7f9154&f=9

4. Enjoy your Harpoon 3 ANW

Focus on HUD 3, edited by Darren Buckley who works with and for AGSI and thus has deep insights in the game engine. Give AGSI feedback regarding the game engine and the HUD3.

If you like the classical H2/H3 interface there is no reason to get confused and leave it. The personal bug test is if you can have good fights with logical AI behaviour - and not non-supported third party lists (you can read about that in Erik´s statement regarding Ultimate Edition).

If you think this is the case - enjoy your time with Harpoon!

Hope that helps.