Interesting info on historical cross Pacific transfers

[Don Bowen]

Something new (on the original subject):
http://www.amazon.com/Racing-Sunrise-Re ... 911&sr=1-1

USNI has it available now, but there is a shipping charge. About the same price for members. You all are member of USNI aren't you? www.usni.org

[m10bob]

ORIGINAL: Don Bowen


Something new (on the original subject):
http://www.amazon.com/Racing-Sunrise-Re ... 911&sr=1-1

USNI has it available now, but there is a shipping charge. About the same price for members. You all are member of USNI aren't you? www.usni.org

Thank you, Don!

[Don Bowen]

ORIGINAL: Don Bowen


Something new (on the original subject):
http://www.amazon.com/Racing-Sunrise-Re ... 911&sr=1-1

USNI has it available now, but there is a shipping charge. About the same price for members. You all are member of USNI aren't you? www.usni.org

Update. Got mine - BUY THIS BOOK!

[madflava13]

Details?

[Pascal_slith]

ORIGINAL: m10bob

For the sake of those transfers I would like to see the option of some of those larger planes having extra tanks in lieu of ordnance, as in real life..

DC 3's routinely flew from CONUS to Hawaii, but not in game.

We have been told this would make it "gamey", but nothing is more "gamey" to me than dummying down real capabilities of a machine with known parameters.

You can propose to modify the database to add drop tanks for Maximum range only. Could that be the answer?

[Pascal_slith]

ORIGINAL: AcePylut

Ya know, thinking about this... B17D's didn't have the range to hit PH from the West Coast. I'm thinking of that famous flight that came in on Dec 7th '41... they had to be stripped of guns to make it.

Perhaps transfers at extended range should wind up with the planes in a disabled state. Seems fitting.

Weren't these B-17Cs (3) and B-17Es (8)?

Quote from Wikipedia:

On 7 December 1941, a group of 12 B-17s of the 38th (four B-17C) and 88th (eight B-17E) Reconnaissance Squadrons, en route to reinforce the Philippines, were flown into Pearl Harbor from Hamilton Field, California, arriving during the Japanese attack.

[Pascal_slith]

ORIGINAL: Don Bowen


Something new (on the original subject):
http://www.amazon.com/Racing-Sunrise-Re ... 911&sr=1-1

USNI has it available now, but there is a shipping charge. About the same price for members. You all are member of USNI aren't you? www.usni.org

Life Member here [:)]

[Herrbear]

Waiting for my copy to be shipped in 11 days from Amazon.

[Don Bowen]

ORIGINAL: madflava13

Details?

From the book (sic):

MV American Packer departed San Francisco 10/19/41 and proceeded, unescorted, at 14 knots via the Marianas, arriving Manila 11/18/41. Aboard were 26 Aircraft (25 P-40E and one other), 20 T-12 75MM SP guns, 12 3-in AA guns, 4 37mm AA guns, 20 60mm mortars, wire, canned salmon, hay, gas masks, machinery horse shoes, trucks and other vehicles, barbed wire, ammunition, inert bombs, machine guns, airplane engines, engineer heavy equipment, 1,899 rolls roofing paper.

Also an interesting little detail on AA guns. Enough AA guns had been sent to the Philippines to equip a third AA Regiment (only two were present). The extra guns were retained in depot. I'd guess these were probably the guns used to equip the 515th when it was split from the 200th.

[Reg]

ORIGINAL: m10bob

My example was DC 3's...I would hate to think those guys would be 50-100% damaged carrying paying civilian passengers..[:D]

My Grandfather flew in a Connie from Australia to England just AFTER the war and the trip included an unscheduled three day layover in Aden whilst they performed an engine change. Things were different in those days.....

[m10bob]

ORIGINAL: Reg

ORIGINAL: m10bob

My example was DC 3's...I would hate to think those guys would be 50-100% damaged carrying paying civilian passengers..[:D]

My Grandfather flew in a Connie from Australia to England just AFTER the war and the trip included an unscheduled three day layover in Aden whilst they performed an engine change. Things were different in those days.....

Obviously not a scheduled maintenance stop. Something must have broken.[:D]

[Don Bowen]

ORIGINAL: Don Bowen

ORIGINAL: madflava13

Details?

From the book (sic):

MV American Packer departed San Francisco 10/19/41 and proceeded, unescorted, at 14 knots via the Marianas, arriving Manila 11/18/41. Aboard were 26 Aircraft (25 P-40E and one other), 20 T-12 75MM SP guns, 12 3-in AA guns, 4 37mm AA guns, 20 60mm mortars, wire, canned salmon, hay, gas masks, machinery horse shoes, trucks and other vehicles, barbed wire, ammunition, inert bombs, machine guns, airplane engines, engineer heavy equipment, 1,899 rolls roofing paper.

Also an interesting little detail on AA guns. Enough AA guns had been sent to the Philippines to equip a third AA Regiment (only two were present). The extra guns were retained in depot. I'd guess these were probably the guns used to equip the 515th when it was split from the 200th.

Well drats. I was hoping for details on the troops sent to Canton and Christmas Islands. It is a great gap in my accumuated research and the book does not fill it. Still a great book, and I highly recommend it.

[Pascal_slith]

ORIGINAL: Don Bowen

ORIGINAL: Don Bowen

ORIGINAL: madflava13

Details?

From the book (sic):

MV American Packer departed San Francisco 10/19/41 and proceeded, unescorted, at 14 knots via the Marianas, arriving Manila 11/18/41. Aboard were 26 Aircraft (25 P-40E and one other), 20 T-12 75MM SP guns, 12 3-in AA guns, 4 37mm AA guns, 20 60mm mortars, wire, canned salmon, hay, gas masks, machinery horse shoes, trucks and other vehicles, barbed wire, ammunition, inert bombs, machine guns, airplane engines, engineer heavy equipment, 1,899 rolls roofing paper.

Also an interesting little detail on AA guns. Enough AA guns had been sent to the Philippines to equip a third AA Regiment (only two were present). The extra guns were retained in depot. I'd guess these were probably the guns used to equip the 515th when it was split from the 200th.

Well drats. I was hoping for details on the troops sent to Canton and Christmas Islands. It is a great gap in my accumuated research and the book does not fill it. Still a great book, and I highly recommend it.

Have you had a look at Gordon Rottman's "World War II Pacific Island Guide"? It has tons of info. It's also available in preview in Google books.

[Don Bowen]

ORIGINAL: Pascal

Have you had a look at Gordon Rottman's "World War II Pacific Island Guide"? It has tons of info. It's also available in preview in Google books.

Sure, it's in my library. Also most of the published books cited in Racing the Sunrise. It (Pacific Island Guide) has the standard data: a unit of infantry, a battalion of this, a battalion of that. But nothing I've been able to find specifies WHAT battalions. I can place the initial garrison of every other island. Just not Canton or Christmas.

[Skyros]

Bennett, John D., The Canton Island Defense Force in World War II, in The Coast Defense Journal, Vol. 19, No. 4, Nov. 2005.

Not sure if this will help.

[Don Bowen]

ORIGINAL: Skyros

Bennett, John D., The Canton Island Defense Force in World War II, in The Coast Defense Journal, Vol. 19, No. 4, Nov. 2005.

Not sure if this will help.

Looks promising. Only place I can find a reference to it is in a index at CDSG. It doesn't appear to be downloadable. Do you have a copy?

[m10bob]

ORIGINAL: Don Bowen

ORIGINAL: Skyros

Bennett, John D., The Canton Island Defense Force in World War II, in The Coast Defense Journal, Vol. 19, No. 4, Nov. 2005.

Not sure if this will help.

Looks promising. Only place I can find a reference to it is in a index at CDSG. It doesn't appear to be downloadable. Do you have a copy?

This tells what Canton had, and scroll thru the pages (at the top) and it gives exact components for some of the islands.:

http://books.google.com/books?id=ChyilR ... II&f=false

Looks like John Bennett was busy?

http://www.northamericanforts.com/West/ ... cific.html..(Apparently the owner of this site has most of these issues in his collection, according to the disclaimer at the top.)

[Don Bowen]

ORIGINAL: m10bob

ORIGINAL: Don Bowen

ORIGINAL: Skyros

Bennett, John D., The Canton Island Defense Force in World War II, in The Coast Defense Journal, Vol. 19, No. 4, Nov. 2005.

Not sure if this will help.

Looks promising. Only place I can find a reference to it is in a index at CDSG. It doesn't appear to be downloadable. Do you have a copy?

This tells what Canton had, and scroll thru the pages (at the top) and it gives exact components for some of the islands.:

http://books.google.com/books?id=ChyilR ... II&f=false

Looks like John Bennett was busy?

http://www.northamericanforts.com/West/ ... cific.html..(Apparently the owner of this site has most of these issues in his collection, according to the disclaimer at the top.)

Thanks. I have Gordon Rottman's book in my library. But, like all the rest, it lists the number and size of units but not which ones. A CD Battalion, an AA Battalion, etc. My best bet may be an order from CDSG but that is all snail mail and will take weeks and weeks!

[Pascal_slith]

Have you checked this? It's a reference in the US Army in WWII book titled "Strategy and Command: the First Two Years"

link: http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA/USA ... .html#fn22

Looks like a USAF monograph.

[Don Bowen]

ORIGINAL: Pascal

Have you checked this? It's a reference in the US Army in WWII book titled "Strategy and Command: the First Two Years"

link: http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA/USA ... .html#fn22

Looks like a USAF monograph.

Oh Yes. I have all the "green" books. Just ain't in there.