Sacrifice at Pearl Harbor: Manipulations Into War

[bairdlander2]

History repeats itself over and over.The events of Pearl harbour spoken of are very similiar to another recent event,but if it gets mentioned this becomes a locked political thread.Remember nothing changes but the date,history and events remain the same only the names and people involved are different.

[SLAAKMAN]

History repeats itself over and over.The events of Pearl harbour spoken of are very similiar to another recent event..

Amen.

[bairdlander2]

Right but if someone here questions 9/11 the thread gets locked.Why?The same thing but different era.

[06 Maestro]

ORIGINAL: bairdlander

Right but if someone here questions 9/11 the thread gets locked.Why?The same thing but different era.

To my knowledge no one had ever accused President Roosevelt of packing bombs under the Arizona. There is a large difference from discussing real history (although purposely kept obscured) and the fantasies of anti America clowns.

About the OP; it is a fact the Japanese code was completely broken by 1943-the open history regarding that is indisputable. Just when the U.S. gained that ability is open to discussion. I have been aware (for decades) of the fact that we were actually decoding Japanese messages in early 1941. However, just because a code can be deciphered does not mean you can read it like an open book-it takes time. Personally, I came to the conclusion that FDR did know that the Japanese were going to attack, by actual knowledge-not just a feeling. However, this does not mean that he had specific knowledge of where and when the attack was going to occur. It seems likely everyone expected an attack at Pearl Harbor-for good reason. The specific messages that gave the exact time and place were likely decoded a few days or weeks after the actual attack-at the latest.

Still, Roosevelt did not drop the bombs. He did not command the aggressor forces-he was not guilty of forcing Japan to attack unless you count refusing to due business with (you fill in the blank) gives them a right to attack. Some think that is a good reason-its a reason alright, but not a righteous one. The Japanese were the bad guy's.

Code reading or not it was a very high probability that P.H. was going to be a target of a surprise attack. No real need for inside info there. The attack had been predicted many years before it actually occurred. So, why would the President put the Fleet in such a vulnerable position? Personally, I find it strange that anyone would think that it was his method of getting out of the Great Depression. It is a simple truth that Roosevelt wanted to get the U.S. into the European war because he wanted to defeat Nazi Germany-pure and simple. The mention of the "secret war" (primarily U.S. naval operations in the Atlantic) in a previous post is accurate-there was such a thing going on, but quite limited. It was not entirely secret either-if a U.S. warship was sunk that news was put in every movie theater across the country. Of course, just why the ship was sunk was not told.

We can only speculate as to what the President was thinking. It seems reasonable to me that he wanted something to shocking that it would pull the American people out of their reinforced isolationism. The simple truth is that the American people thought that they were used in WW1-completely lied to about the events in the war and the intentions of the T.E. There was little desire to get involved in another European war. Something big, very big, would have to occur to enable the U.S. to harness its power to defeat fascism.

Interesting that the carriers were a safe distance from P.H. on the day of the attack.
All in all, this is a nasty subject. The British keep putting 20 year extensions on WW2 classified information. One would wonder what could possibly be so touchy as to keep it hidden 65 years after a war-apparently it is some interesting stuff. I'm not too sure I would like to find out what it is.

[SLAAKMAN]

Interesting that the carriers were a safe distance from P.H. on the day of the attack.
All in all, this is a nasty subject. The British keep putting 20 year extensions on WW2 classified information. One would wonder what could possibly be so touchy as to keep it hidden 65 years after a war-apparently it is some interesting stuff. I'm not too sure I would like to find out what it is.

This is why Im convinced there are conspiracies behind the war! [:'(]
I will address the other multitudes of youre grossly naiive assumptions in your response later but will add this right now....MAestro my dear Lad, I'm afraid that if you were one of the Hessian personel on duty at Trenton on Christmas of 1776 the Continental Army wouldve been sipping cognac with the lads while roasting chestnuts on an open fire & doinking your woman while you spectated on with glee. [:D]

[06 Maestro]

ORIGINAL: SLAAKMAN


This is why Im convinced there are conspiracies behind the war! [:'(]
I will address the other multitudes of youre grossly naiive assumptions in your response later but will add this right now...

Gee, I can't wait.

[NefariousKoel]

I see Saak couldn't hold back his vast repertoire of conspiracy theories any longer.  

Expect the offal to get deep. [8|]

[SLAAKMAN]

NutKase,

I see Saak couldn't hold back his vast repertoire of conspiracy theories any longer.  

Expect the offal to get deep.

"If I thought my answer were given to anyone who would ever return to the world,this flame would stand still without moving any further. But since never from this abyss has anyone ever returned alive, if what I hear is true, without fear of infamy I answer you. For you are merely a pair of ragged claws
Scuttling across the floors of silent seas.
You cannot read anything anyway so you may slither along your slimy way into oblivion."

[ilovestrategy]

SLAAKMAN, you're just an instigator and a trouble maker. 

[SLAAKMAN]

SLAAKMAN, you're just an instigator and a trouble maker.

Patriots usually are. [:'(]

[Doggie]

Neo nazis are people, too.

That's what this is all about. S'aak believes ther Nazis were the good guys and we should help finish what they started.

[SLAAKMAN]

Swampmutt,

Neo nazis are people, too.

That's what this is all about. S'aak believes ther Nazis were the good guys and we should help finish what they started.

Im with Charles Lindbergh on the America First platform and agree with General Patton that the US made a horrific mistake by allying with the Soviet Union. I dont care if you cant take it. As for your hypocrisy regarding Arabs who you refer to as "stinging savages", I suggest you contemplate your sins upon the Tree of Woe;

[vonRocko]

You're right on the money SLAAKMAN! Keep up the good fight, ignorance never sleeps![;)]

[SLAAKMAN]

[:D] Thanks!!

[NefariousKoel]

ORIGINAL: SLAAKMAN

Im with Charles Lindbergh ..

Nazi sympathizers. Aren't you two cute together?

[Doggie]

So tell us about GOD BLESS PRESIDENT AHMADINEJAD!!! THE WHOLE WORLD WILL KNOW THAT 9-11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB TO PROVOKE THE US INTO OCCUPYING THE MIDDLE EAST & IMPOSE MARTIAL LAW.
PREPARE FOR MATTHEW 24:15.

Go for broke.

[SLAAKMAN]

(That was a beautiful raid wasnt it?!) [:'(]
I'd be more than happy to if it was allowed here. As for your totalitarian censorship along with your ludicrous smearing, you know where to shove it.

[Doggie]

Don't let me stop you. So tell us about the Jews and how they deserved what they got. Just because I won't tolerate it on my forum doesn't mean it won't be a winner here. Go for it.

[SLAAKMAN]

Don't let me stop you. So tell us about the Jews and how they deserved what they got. Just because I won't tolerate it on my forum doesn't mean it won't be a winner here. Go for it.

I wont let you stop me from explaining my opinions on any topic. I havent violated any laws and youre absolutely nobody to accuse me of any kind of bigotry. Youre the bloodiest, most genocidal Moslem-hater on earth and youve declared so multitudes of times so why dont you explain that to everyone here. Your totalitarian charade and your proposterous smears wont last forever so prepare to eat every foul word. Im amazed by your malignant stupidity.

[warspite1]

See post #6 [8|][8|]